In just 4 years Orthodox Christianity has gone from +-600,000 to 6 million in USA.
USA is converting to Orthodox Christianity by the millions.
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My guess is the 600k was counting active churchgoers, and the 6 million counts anyone who identifies as Orthodox. I would love this to be true, but I do not believe we're growing that fast. The fact is that there are millions of baptized Orthodox Christians that have fallen away from the Church.
Iv heard over the years that the Orthodox Church has been growing, even during the Lockdowns Roosh shared some stats and while other denominations went down Orthodox Church attendance actually went up, theres Josiah Trenhams Church in California he has had good growth, he has over 700 regular church attending members and many who are new converts, even in South Africa we are noticing new converts coming into the Orthodox Church (myself included) who actually get baptised, its not HUGE numbers but we are seeing a little growth not a decline, keep in mind that with all the pope stuff and his homosexual blessings it seems many Roman Catholics are also moving over into the Orthodox Church, Iv personally seen the comments on Roman Catholic run pages many of them are mentioning visiting Orthodox Churches, the Roman Catholic laity are not happy about the gay thing.
Young men leaving traditional churches for ‘masculine’ Orthodox Christianity in droves
As churches unfurl pride flags and Black Lives Matter banners in front of their gates, young men are trending towards more traditional forms of worship.
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The Orthodoxy church IS the traditional churchYoung men leaving traditional churches for ‘masculine’ Orthodox Christianity in droves
As churches unfurl pride flags and Black Lives Matter banners in front of their gates, young men are trending towards more traditional forms of worship.
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Two more articles from Greece, discussing the mass conversions:
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Θαύμα θαυμάτων στις ΗΠΑ: Πλήθη νέων Αμερικανών ασπάζονται την Ορθοδοξία - «Μόνο εκεί βρήκαμε σταθερότητα στο σημερινό χάος» - sportime.gr
ΗΠΑ: Η New York Post παρουσιάζει το εντυπωσιακό φαινόμενο μεταστροφής χιλιάδων νέων στην Ορθοδοξία - «Βρήκαμε την αρχαία εκκλησία».
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Η Ορθόδοξη Εκκλησία ανθεί στη Γερμανία – DW – 25/07/2024
Στη Γερμανία, την ώρα που η Καθολική και η Προτεσταντική Εκκλησία χάνουν μέλη και συρρικνώνονται, η Ορθόδοξη Εκκλησία γνωρίζει μεγάλη άνθηση. Πού οφείλεται το γεγονός;
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From the article:Young men leaving traditional churches for ‘masculine’ Orthodox Christianity in droves
As churches unfurl pride flags and Black Lives Matter banners in front of their gates, young men are trending towards more traditional forms of worship.
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The Orthodox Church is indeed masculine, but it is the home of traditional feminity as well. And we really need to find a way to bring more young women into the Church or all these men will have no one to marry and raise Orthodox children with. That's the only way this growth will be sustainable.Young men leaving traditional churches for ‘masculine’ Orthodox Christianity in droves
As churches unfurl pride flags and Black Lives Matter banners in front of their gates, young men are trending towards more traditional forms of worship.
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This a problem for the Church which I think will improve with time as more men seek traditional Christianity, more women will follow but it’s a slow process. I think it’s because in the proper patriarchal order of things, women are subordinate to men, rely on them and focus on family harmony and children and as a result they’re not curious. I don’t know any women who focus on the big questions of life, and they’re seemingly not curious about anything nor question previously held beliefs in the way men do (as it is the duty of man to follow Christ, the Truth) and if they do, there are plenty of crabs in the bucket to distort this process. This is particularly true of young, beautiful and desirable women who are placed on a pedestal which further disincentivises truth-seeking or disrupting the status quo.
So when God-ordained societal norms are eroded; women are “emancipated” and men forget God; the result is women who are stuck with whatever ideology the sick culture decrees with very little introspection and limited masculine role models to be drawn towards.
Pious, Christian women exist, but they’re usually from a strong, stable Christian family and even then they cannot always protect them from globohomo if they don’t marry young.
A lot of women who become Orthodox of their own accord do so after a lot of pain and suffering, which often means at an age where a fruitful marriage is more difficult, and there’s a lot more baggage. May God bless them and help them, but it doesn’t solve the problem facing young men who are converting. But of course, God can work miracles.
Blade Runner touches on this a lot. It is right and proper to tell men to correct themselves and life a Godly life, and everything will follow. While I think that’s true, and men do shoulder a portion of blame; a way of evangelising the modern woman with more urgency is needed.
I think for younger men it will be somewhat easier because they can pull a woman into the church before they are too corrupted (I'm thinking people in their late teens). If a man has enough going for him then an impressionable young woman might be inclined to follow him into the church. The very young men who have their act together can probably make it work.
The issue is for the men who are a bit older. Its not so easy to influence a woman in her mid twenties to become Orthodox after she's already experienced multiple partners and so on. You will likely start to see women repenting of that lifestyle and coming into the church, but whether the men are willing to settle for that or not is another matter.
Possibly the best option would be to find an Orthodox country where there are more women attending the church. You could find someone who attends church regularly, isn't corrupted, but just hasn't found a man because there aren't many men at their church to speak of. You'd just have to be in a position to do this, and ingratiate yourself into another culture etc.
Not to sound black-pilled, but this is a lot harder than it sounds, when dealing with Orthodox nations. A lot (most?) of these people are nationalistic and church is a de facto social club for them. They are very reluctant to let outsiders/non-nationals into their inner circle. It gets to the point where I can't stand being around them. Maybe if you meet the right girl she can grease the skids. That's why I go to a convert-dominant parish, which has about 15 nationalities present, especially the local culture, so the nationalists don't dominate.
They may feel honored that you are worshipping with them, and embracing their culture.
I agree with you. People talk like it's easy to go abroad and meet a girl, but it's not the case. You have to learn the language and customs. In more conservative societies you are liable to face issues of people not wanting to marry outside their culture and so on. You might have to do a fair bit of work to get their family onboard etc.
I think it is a legitimate option still, but people do seem to imply that all you need to do is go abroad, walk into a church and nab yourself a woman. It would be a tough job to make it work, but it is definitely possible.
That has not been my experience, neither in the USA nor in Europe. I do believe however that this awkwardnesses is only a temporary situation as the number of converts increases everywhere and churches have to learn to adapt to them, their "new" needs, concerns, and challenges, and not just hide in their centuries-old ethnic bubbles. My church, as I've stated before, has a new young man coming through the door probably every week or two. Our baptised members are from every continent (OK, not Antarctica or Australia yet
), but 3 South American countries, Africa, all over Europe, North America, and even Asia. The most likely marriages for young Orthodox male converts is going to be with a young female convert, and not with an old-world native Orthodox. Let's pray that the young women show up.It's certainly going to be difficult. Anything worth doing is difficult. The real question is if it's easier or harder than finding a decent woman in the West. And I think we all have an idea of that.
Have you lived and gone to church in an Orthodox country though? The experience one will have in an ethnic parish in the West compared to an average parish in a traditionally Orthodox country is going to be vastly different. In the former people will often treat it as a social club to meet those of their particular ethnic group and so it feels very ethnocentric, whereas in the latter they tend to go because they're serious about the faith.
While there's always a strong element of nationalism in in traditional Christian society, a true believer will always consider himself a Christian first and a Greek/Serbian/Bulgarian/etc. second. There is little social pressure to go to church in most Orthodox countries since they have been heavily secularized today, and for the most part the people who do go are there for God. This is what I've seen at least among my many acquaintances in Bulgaria.