The Venezuela Thread

^The idea of regime change in Venezuela through US military intervention is even more of a reach than the regime change project in Russia through the Ukraine war.

The cartel thing is a pretext to attack a geopolitical foe, because Venezuela hardly qualifies as a narco hub, nothing in comparison to many of its Andean neighbors.

Perhaps the real goal here is to destabilize Venezuela and keep it from developing. If we can't have it, no one can...
 
I think Venezuela is just a low hanging fruit. Opiates shipped from China, and smuggled through Mexico and Canada are much bigger problem than cocaine.
Right, the question was however whether the Navy was hitting drug boats or not. I'd rather see them do it near the American sea boundary or when the smugglers attempt to cross the land border, shoot all the intruders, which is impossible due to the pesky judges claiming jurisdiction. At every rally Trump would rail against drug dealers, said he wanted capital punishment since each one is responsible for over 800 deaths in the course of his street career, he knew as well as the audience he wouldn't be able to put that into law as president.
 
Right, the question was however whether the Navy was hitting drug boats or not. I'd rather see them do it near the American sea boundary or when the smugglers attempt to cross the land border, shoot all the intruders, which is impossible due to the pesky judges claiming jurisdiction. At every rally Trump would rail against drug dealers, said he wanted capital punishment since each one is responsible for over 800 deaths in the course of his street career, he knew as well as the audience he wouldn't be able to put that into law as president.

High power outboard engines and no fishing equipment whatsoever aboard - definitely not local fishermen.
I have some doubts about the first boat, as 11 guys aboard would limit the cargo capacity, but then again doesn't mean they were innocent either - could have been cartel members on a "business trip" for example. In any case, even if all these boats were loaded with coke to the brim, it would still be just a drop in a bucket when compared to the tonnes of drugs smuggled via land routes every day.
 
^The idea of regime change in Venezuela through US military intervention is even more of a reach than the regime change project in Russia through the Ukraine war.

The cartel thing is a pretext to attack a geopolitical foe, because Venezuela hardly qualifies as a narco hub, nothing in comparison to many of its Andean neighbors.

Perhaps the real goal here is to destabilize Venezuela and keep it from developing. If we can't have it, no one can...
I think you're right that the drug thing is a pretense, and the real motive is geopolitical rivalry. However, I don't think the US has to do anything to prevet them from developing. I think Venezuela has been stopping itself from developing on its own for decades.
 
Nicolas Maduro, the tinpot crackhead commie narcodictator has struck yet again. In a move rivalled by only the wackiest of African tyrants, Maduro has ordered that in Venezuela Christmas from hereon will be celebrated on October 1.

Ergo yesterday was a day of festivities, and the main fireworks show orchestrated right over South America's biggest prison, el Helicoide. Which is also the prison where thousands of political prisoners are held.



 
Nicolas Maduro, the tinpot crackhead commie narcodictator has struck yet again. In a move rivalled by only the wackiest of African tyrants, Maduro has ordered that in Venezuela Christmas from hereon will be celebrated on October 1.

Ergo yesterday was a day of festivities, and the main fireworks show orchestrated right over South America's biggest prison, el Helicoide. Which is also the prison where thousands of political prisoners are held.
Inb4 Trump invades Venezuela....just in time to save Christmas!!
 
Trump admin notified Congress that we're in an armed conflict with the cartels.

The Trump administration has determined that the US is engaged in a “non-international armed conflict” with Latin American drug cartels, according to a notification to Congress, offering further legal justification for recent strikes on alleged drug-runners from Venezuela.
The notice, sent by the Pentagon to Congress this week, says the US “has now reached a critical point where we must use force in self-defense and defense of others against the ongoing attacks” by the groups, which President Donald Trump has also designated terrorist organizations.
 
This old shark loves the smell of narco-blood in water in the morning. ]
There are a couple of highly charged buzzwords and faux narratives that the turdworldist communist sympathizers like to throw around in order to draw out knee-jerk emotional responses and kill any fact-based discussion. Just by bringing up these sets of widely available statistics you stomped around half of the presented whatabout-isms and detractions back into the worm infested soil already. Yes, Venezuela is textbook example of a narcostate and only bad faith posters would claim otherwise. Chapeau to you for taking the time to make that clear.

There is more of course, which in this case is linking the communist bloc in general and the Chavista-FARC/ELN connection in particular. The FARC, which is and has been by far the biggest cocaine producing entity in Colombia since forever, is a Soviet creation which was the main recipient of covert USSR aid in Colombia up until 1991. After the fall of the USSR that burden shifted to Cuba and later Venezuela even though in absolute numbers financial aid went down considerably in the 90s. In the 2000s and 2010s the Nicaraguan Sandinistas and even Mexican Cartels became invested too in FARCs illicit business and hence it's political survival.

Up till this day the Castro-Chavista regimes see FARC and ELN as tools for destabilization in what once was the US' main ally in the region. So does Russia bytheway. Viktor Bout, the new e-hero of the Low IQ Right, was nabbed in a DEA sting operation in 2008. Lil Vick was and is obviously a liaison of the Kremlin, and routinely provided arms to al Qaida, the Taliban, African dictators and communist guerillas around the world. The DEA caught Bout setting up the transfer of 800 Isla manpads+ other weapons to the FARC, with the stated aim that these manpads could be used to 'shoot down US helos in Colombia'. 'We have the same enemy', Bout told his FARC counterparts as he readied the weapons deal, unfortunately for him it was a DEA agent he was talking to. Few years ago Bout got released as part of the Brittany Griner deal by the retarded Biden Administration. GtojzSFWUAAt5Xx (1).jpeg

The FARC and ELN are also political bargaining chips to be utilized when things get rough. Aka right now, even though the Colombian angle has lost much of its value, US is tightening the screws from the Caribbean instead. On top of that the narco-commie ELN/FARC have become a sheer necessity for especially Caracas due to decades of economic mismanagement. The Venezuelan regime needs the funds received from narcotrafficking+ smuggling for the Venezuelan state's survival, the personal enrichment doesn't hurt either.

The Venezuelan-Colombian border area is a haven for smugglers. Narcotics, booze and cigarettes are transported into Venezuela and cheap oil, diapers, medicine and other ordinary stuffs cross into Colombia, the latter is due to strict price controls in Venezuela which creates the price differences. The FARC and ELN now dominate these borderlands, and they receive support from the Maduro regime and are have their base camps in Venezuela. Former Colombian President Alvaro Uribe in 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2013 already accused Chavez of harboring FARC and ELN, that hasn't changed one bit in 2025.


This is a textbook commie double play bytheway, the Colombian Army bombed FARC camps located in Ecuador in 2008 already. Ecuador back then was led by a Moscow aligned Chavez-lite sucker called Rafael Correa. Correa nowadays works full time for Russia's main propaganda channel RussiaToday, big shocker. Another big shocker: in Operacion Fenix the FARC's number 2 Raul Reyes was killed, man could walk around unbothered in Ecuador up until the day US supplied missiles sent him to his maker. Fun fact, US intelligence was key to this mission and it was a personal phone call (satellite phone) from Hugo Chavez to Raul Reyes that gave away the latter's whereabouts.

www.elespectador.com/judicial/operacion-fenix-y-muerte-de-raul-reyes-impactos-en-colombia-y-ecuador-article/%3foutputType=amp

After the historic 2016 Colombian peace agreement FARC fractured, with some parts growing closer to Caracas whilst others turned away. The FARC Dissidents as those Brigades that rejected the Peace Accords are called, turned the entire border region into a wild west. This was when Venezuela's economy started tanking big time and Trump Administration 1.0 turned up the heat with heavy sanctions. The FARC Dissidents/Frentes regrouped on Venezuelan soil. In the first year's after 2016 the area around Cucuta saw a major decline in security as it became the hotspot of illicit trade, narco trafficking and smuggling. Later the wars for the narco billions started in Apure, Arauca and Catatumbo, many of the Venezuela aligned groups and cartels started shooting at each other.

Petro in the Casa Narino and the FARC/ELN bouncing back in Colombia. Major wins for Maduro.
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In 2022 Trotskyist Petro was elected over the US' supported Uribistas and became the Colombian President. The Venezuela- Colombia entered a new chapter, one of cooperation instead of competition. That's because Marxists of different stripes always flock together in the face of the imaginary 'fascists'. Petro started off slow even renewing deals on US presence on Colombian soil yet has since mid 2023 started speedrunning Colombia out of the US sphere influence. Total blunder that can be blamed on the impotent Biden Administration, literally throwing billions of USD in investments out the window. Petro is going full loony and was last week openly calling for sedition in the USA whilst attending the UN General Assembly. Man was booted back to Colombia and had his visas revoked yet should have gotten imprisoned.



The facts speak for themselves, Venezuela is a massive narcostate, one that aligns with Washington's geopolitical adversaries to boot. It's headed by a communist goofball who acts like he's God and who openly threatens US+allies about every other week, and who has been meddling in neighboring countries for decades. The narrative wherein poor Nicky M. gets, SNIF SNIF, framed as a upstanding leader who has become an innocent victim of da evil west is dumb, false, and reeks of dishonesty.
 
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Another one:

Earlier this morning, on President Trump's orders, I directed a lethal, kinetic strike on a narco-trafficking vessel affiliated with Designated Terrorist Organizations in the USSOUTHCOM area of responsibility. Four male narco-terrorists aboard the vessel were killed in the strike, and no U.S. forces were harmed in the operation. The strike was conducted in international waters just off the coast of Venezuela while the vessel was transporting substantial amounts of narcotics - headed to America to poison our people. Our intelligence, without a doubt, confirmed that this vessel was trafficking narcotics, the people onboard were narco-terrorists, and they were operating on a known narco-trafficking transit route. These strikes will continue until the attacks on the American people are over!!!!
 
Another one:

Earlier this morning, on President Trump's orders, I directed a lethal, kinetic strike on a narco-trafficking vessel affiliated with Designated Terrorist Organizations in the USSOUTHCOM area of responsibility. Four male narco-terrorists aboard the vessel were killed in the strike, and no U.S. forces were harmed in the operation. The strike was conducted in international waters just off the coast of Venezuela while the vessel was transporting substantial amounts of narcotics - headed to America to poison our people.

If that speedboat was just off the Venezuela coast, there is no way it was headed to the US, as its range is only a couple hundred miles tops, and the distance to the US from Venzuela is well over 1,000 miles. Even Puerto Rico would be well out of its range.

I can't believe that this very basic fact is ignored, this looks like a pure PR move.
 
If that speedboat was just off the Venezuela coast, there is no way it was headed to the US, as its range is only a couple hundred miles tops, and the distance to the US from Venzuela is well over 1,000 miles. Even Puerto Rico would be well out of its range.

I can't believe that this very basic fact is ignored, this looks like a pure PR move.
We care about these drug smugglers getting zapped why?
 
If that speedboat was just off the Venezuela coast, there is no way it was headed to the US, as its range is only a couple hundred miles tops, and the distance to the US from Venzuela is well over 1,000 miles. Even Puerto Rico would be well out of its range.
Depends on the engine, speed, and whether or not they can carry extra fuel aboard - won't reach the CONUS, but Puerto Rico and US Virgin Islands are in play. If it's coke they're smuggling, then the Virgin Islands are a perfect destination.
It could also be a feeder, delivering cargo to a larger ship at sea.
 
As long as the same drug lords who ship to the US lose a load, it matters. The Rhodesian air force were hitting Russians in Zambia, far away from Moscow and Salisbury town.
 
We care about these drug smugglers getting zapped why?

Because (1) it is very doubtful that these people were smuggling drugs into the US, or perhaps even smuggling drugs at all, and (2) geopolitics are driving this, this is part of a regime change operation on Venezuela, and the main two real reasons that this boat has been targeted is that Venezuela is not a US vassal, and it has the world's largest oil reserves.

Chavez and his people have been in power in Venezuela for over 25 years, yet only now there is talk of Venezuela being a narco-state?

We had the same thing in Panama with Noriega, when Clinton, Bush and co were happy to have tons of cocaine being shipped through Mena, Arkansas with Panama being in the loop, yet when Noriega went off the plantation, he suddenly became a drug kingpin that needed to be removed?

This is pure political theater.


Depends on the engine, speed, and whether or not they can carry extra fuel aboard - won't reach the CONUS, but Puerto Rico and US Virgin Islands are in play. If it's coke they're smuggling, then the Virgin Islands are a perfect destination.
It could also be a feeder, delivering cargo to a larger ship at sea.

The range of these speedboats with two engines is much shorter than the distance from Venezuela to Puerto Rico or USVI, and if they really were headed there, wouldn't be much easier to blast them off the coast of PR, where the US Coast Guard and USN have tons of resources, and where they would have clearly been identified as drug smugglers into the US?

In that case they wouldn't even have to blow them up, they could have easily arrested them as their boat would have been short on fuel, and produced them to the media as part of a Venezuelan drug running operation into the US.
 
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The most insidious part of this PR operation is that it took place the same week Trump made a huge deal with the biggest and most dangerous drug dealers of all time along with the Sacklers, Pfizer and Bourla, who will now continue to poison hundreds of millions with other vaccines based on their toxic mRNA gene altering tech.



Trump also praised Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla and bragged about striking a new deal with them—a drug deal with a habitually criminal company that created an experimental product that killed many and injured many more. Striking major drug deals with corporate drug dealers, while celebrating killing small dealers who aren’t even in the US.
 
The range of these speedboats with two engines is much shorter than the distance from Venezuela to Puerto Rico or USVI, and if they really were headed there, wouldn't be much easier to blast them off the coast of PR, where the US Coast Guard and USN have tons of resources, and where they would have clearly been identified as drug smugglers into the US?

A skiff (not a speedboat) like that can squeeze something like 300-400 miles depending on various factors without refueling, Puerto Rico and US Virgin Islands are roughly less than 600 miles from Venezuela - doable if they carry extra fuel, although it would lower their cargo capacity. And there's always a possibility that they're feeding a larger ship at open sea, then the range limit isn't a problem. But without any additional data like location, course, etc. (and we're given none) I can only speculate.

In that case they wouldn't even have to blow them up, they could have easily arrested them as their boat would have been short on fuel, and produced them to the media as part of a Venezuelan drug running operation into the US.
I think Trump is deliberately striking these boats to provoke Maduro, force him to make a move and give us an excuse to drop the hammer.
 
Nicolas Maduro, the tinpot crackhead commie narcodictator has struck yet again. In a move rivalled by only the wackiest of African tyrants, Maduro has ordered that in Venezuela Christmas from hereon will be celebrated on October 1.

Ergo yesterday was a day of festivities, and the main fireworks show orchestrated right over South America's biggest prison, el Helicoide. Which is also the prison where thousands of political prisoners are held.




Next thing you know, Maduro will want to celebrate Fourth of July in March! Crazy!

Cuckoo I Feel Crazy GIF by arbeiterkammer
 
I think Venezuela is just a low hanging fruit. Opiates shipped from China, and smuggled through Mexico and Canada are much bigger problem than cocaine.
Maduro has in the recent past on several occasions shown interest in basing Russian Tu160 and Tu22 long distance bombers, in addition to housing missile launching sites. These long range bombers have flown on Venezuelan Airbases several times already, and that posturing has led to a diplomatic stink every time it happened. Last time Russian Tu160s flew on Venezuela was in 2018 when they were parked at Simon Bolivar Airbase near Caracas. That show of force came after the Maduro-Putin meeting in Moscow, which was meant to shore up international support for Maduro after yet another year in which widespread looting and rioting occurred in Venezuela following a sham election.

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In that light the recent rumours about permanent Russian long range bomber deployment in response to the US' positioning of nuclear capable bombers in the Arctic is of course a big no no. Washington is trying to corner Russia even further by (preemptively) taking out a willing recipient of nuclear capable bombers and a staunch ally of Moscow in the Americas.

The era of a lowkey detente is officially over. In recent years the Biden Administration had successfully placated Caracas by committing to sanctions relief in turn for receiving increased access to crude Venezuelan oil and hence putting a cap on ballooning oil prices through sanction relief following the Ukraine War. The Biden Administration was much more willing to work with Maduro than Trump is.

The Trump Administration 2.0 on the other hand is direct, hands on, alpha and at time abrasive. Trump is not going to let barely tacit trash talk and covert threats from second hand narcodictators like Maduro slide. Latter on his end should have known better after T humiliated a string of nominally allied world leaders on stage already, and they are supposed to be his friends. The term trash talk is sugarcoating things bytheway, the scenario above is an immediate and unacceptable threat to US security and its nuclear deterrence. Hence the screws are tightened.

We still have to see what the endgame is, although the continued military build up is ominous. My hunch is that Washington will try to shock and awe the Venezuelan regime into tumbling in a matter of days (think 3-14 days), and if that doesn't work take a step back from military strikes on Venezuelan soil yet establish a new status quo in which maximum pressure is applied. This plan B will center around throttling economic activity via sanctions, and undermining Maduro's legitimacy+ the further hollowing out of Venezuelan state institutions through strikes on Venezuelan drug vessels and increased diplomatic isolation.
 
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