The Trump tariffs

I've been critical as anyone else here of Trump. But I am excited about this. Something has to be done, we can't print money forever to bail out wall street and the irresponsible dregs at the bottom. The stock market coming down is great, it could offer some good buying opportunities. The panic of the "experts" is exciting. I love watching them panic over this, because if they will be proven wrong, they will be finished. And seeing libtards defend Wall Street billionaires is the icing on the cake.
It's a step in the right direction and an opportunity for us to shore up some of our liability globally as the world bank by ensuring investments here in the US.

All the hype about prices and all that are only coming from people championing the status quo with a self serving incentive.

Net net your average American will experience some pain in the short term... Sure.... But it is worth it to not have $300 worth of Chinese bullshit in your Amazon or Walmart cart to ultimately raise the standard of living or Americans through the investment and jobs here.
 
But it is worth it to not have $300 worth of Chinese bullshit in your Amazon or Walmart cart to ultimately raise the standard of living or Americans through the investment and jobs here.

It remains to be seen whether or not this will actually happen. Will Americans build factories and pay Americans to work in them?

Or will Americans simply pay $600 for $300 worth of Chinese crap?
 
I've been critical as anyone else here of Trump.

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It remains to be seen whether or not this will actually happen. Will Americans build factories and pay Americans to work in them?

Or will Americans simply pay $600 for $300 worth of Chinese crap?
Forgive me, but that's the way a tariff is designed to work. By incentivized manufacturing IN the country with the better treatment of capital.

We are effectively reducing the highly discounted prices other countries are leveraging to incentivize our capital leaving our country for their products.

This is pretty rudimentary economics.

You tariff goods you are able to produce here to ensure your own produced goods are more competitive than foreign goods

What doesn't remain to be seen is the shit end of the status quo we are currently operating under which will bankrupt our country.

Hence the case for change.
 
I was sad to see that we'll now have to pay extra to buy quality Japanese products like this 2025 Landcruiser 70 series:

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And Toyota's new 10,000 dollar truck the IMV 0:

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Oh wait I can't buy one at all because the govt made rugged vehicles that last illegal to make and sell in the US 20 years ago. Now everything has to be an egg shaped piece of shit with 20 airbags and impossible to meet emissions standards.
 
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Tariffs are good. And they should be 100%. Except when you are dealing with allies. You should have a different posture. The US exports a lot of services. At least to EU.

I used to order shit from american Amazon. They had no tarrifs I think before corona. The price was the same. But now not anymore.

Wonder how Trump calculated those figures. It´s probably a construction contractor calculus. Spit on paper. And let´s put a number there.

There´s also the old saying if goods don´t pass borders. Soldiers will.

Yeah as expected:

In fact, there's a simple formula to Trump's giant cardboard table.

The first column — the tariff rate imposed by the US' partners — seems to have been calculated by taking Washington's trade deficit with that partner and dividing it by its exports to the US.

The second column — the Trump administration's so-called reciprocal rate — is around half of that rate.


This is not reciprocal tariffs. They are not based on the actual tariffs imposed by other countries. EU charges 3%. To understand Trump you need to deal with construction and real estate world.

Now he needs to follow through and eliminate the income tax. Cause if not americans will pay two taxes. Income and tariff tax.

I don´t buy much american. Except tech. And some surf clothes for kids.

Amazon adds a tariff to a foreign customer? I've never seen that on any customer invoices and I've shipped lots of stuff to France, I feel like a customer would have bitched about that by now....

You're not talking about the euro imposed VAT?
 

You can check it for yourself. If you ship to France or any EU country there´s a 30% payment. And before corona I´m pretty sure I didn´t pay anything. And I ordered a lot of stuff from US. Last one I think was some sun powered lighting. Which are really good btw. And I didn´t remember paying any extra. Will check the history purchases. Now I look for the product and search for it in German amazon to see if they sell the same without the cost. It really sucks. UK is the same shit. When I furnished my office I bought a lot of stuff from UK. I like to buy stuff from the best. I really don´t care for nationality. The best is western. When I buy clothes I look into the label where it was made. Not because of leftist stupidity. Because west is the best.

VAT is charged to all EU countries. It´s not a tariff. You don´t pay VAT because your foreign. It´s a tax for everybody. National and foreign companies pay the same. There´s no advantage for euro national companies. This is jew/gipsy talk. What you need to have is fair competition. If the competition is fair. Let´s fight and see who wins. Competition is great. It´s a fundamental western economy value. EU competing with US and Canada and UK and Japan, etc is great. I love that. Let´s go into the ring and fight and create the best product for consumers. And the best wins.

The problem was when they extended this thinking to savages. This doesn´t work with chinese. Because they are yellow gipsies. And made unfair competition. A western company spends millions in development and design. A yellow comes. Bribes the staff. Steals the tech. And produces the same product without paying the R&D. That´s great. And then can sell it much cheaper. And we all are happy to buy stuff for cheaper price that was stolen from us.

I once read how much things cost 100 years ago. And the equivalent price is brutal. A tennis ball costed 300euros. Or something like that. Granted there wasn´t tech advancement.

Products in US will increase in price. It´s inevitable. You can´t make products at the same price than in China. Salaries are higher. The have slavor labor there. The only way is if there´s automation. Reduce in tax and regulation. But prices will still increase. At least in theory. Sometimes practice eclipses theory.

What I once read is companies would bring the sweat shops into the west if they were forbbiden to offshore.

After Trump leaves i´m 100% certain exemptions to tariffs paid by powerful lobbies will be placed. Which will favor some big companies and f small companies.

Warren buffett is drooling as we speak. That old fart must be having a brain orgasm seeing the market melt. I´m shopping for sales. Already stopped the rehabilitations I was making. Cause I knew the orange tard would start pulling crazy shit. Let´s see what happens in the next months.

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The Toyota Landcruiser 70 looks really really good. I always wanted to buy an old car built new. But EU doesn´t allow it also. I could buy an old one. Change the plates to the new one. They ship to SAfrica.


We reached a point in the west where young people want to be celibate and not married. And the population demands economic pain from politicians. The forum used to be impermeable to bullshit. Times change.
 
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Magoo you are ignoring reality. The EU has all sorts of trade barriers against other countries.

For example Australia is in the process of trying to negotiate a free trade deal with the EU but in the meantime Australia pays tariffs of up to 12 per cent on minerals and metals, 10 per cent on wood and paper and 7 per cent on chemicals. In addition certain products have quotas as a form of trade barrier instead of tariffs. A range of Australian agricultural exports to the EU, including beef, sheep meat, sugar, cheese and rice, are significantly constrained by EU tariff quotas.

 
Magoo you are ignoring reality. The EU has all sorts of trade barriers against other countries.

For example Australia is in the process of trying to negotiate a free trade deal with the EU but in the meantime Australia pays tariffs of up to 12 per cent on minerals and metals, 10 per cent on wood and paper and 7 per cent on chemicals. In addition certain products have quotas as a form of trade barrier instead of tariffs. A range of Australian agricultural exports to the EU, including beef, sheep meat, sugar, cheese and rice, are significantly constrained by EU tariff quotas.

Dude I don´t care for Australia. They can pay 0% tariffs. As long as they are not doing dumping. The problem is with China products. I don´t care for any western country tariffs. Because the framework is more and less the same. There´s always some gipsies who think they are smarter. But it´s not the majority.

What the west needs to do is stop infigthing and create a block to counter other countries.
 
That would be ideal but the Jews would never allow that to happen.
China is they future safe haven. Asians are much more obedient than westerners. They conquered yellows once with communism. They can do it again.

Tariffs are good but if you protect companies too much from fair competition. They become obsolete. And the consumer is the loser. Bad products high price. There was a lawyer who always used to say you sharp your sword with other swords. I think you sharp with a rock. Anyway it was some metaphor or some shit. You get better by practising with the best.
 
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I was a kid when Ross Perot was running for president, too young to vote, but I remember listening to him and he made a lot of sense. I think a lot of those that didn't vote for him thought "yea, that is all true and makes sense, but we have guns and there is no way our govt. will really try to mess with us as much as he is warning". Well, here we are, Ross was 100% correct, the evil beings running this country did take it all the way.

I hope and pray Trump's tariffs start to right the wrongs committed by Wall Street over the last 50 years.

 
Actually my last 2006 Ford Escape Hybrid went 350K Mi before dying. My current 2007 Ford Escape Hybrid is at 230K and going strong.

American cars used to be the finest in the world, before they were forced to compete with slave wages.
And gov't subsidies to protect the foreign auto sectors ;)
 
I don't think tariffs are a good idea for several reasons; When the US last had substantial tariffs it was a predominately white European country with a high birth-rate. The domestic market outlook was a lot better back then! Secondly, tariffs are basically a tax on Americans. Think of clothing for example, check the labels on your clothes...mine all say; made in Bangladesh, Taiwan etc. Do you think US citizens will appreciate paying a lot more for clothing/shoes/electronics and so on? Although ironically this is a great measure for the environment, but Trump or his enemies don't see it as such of course.

Foreign companies aren't gonna be willing to move production to the US either, especially after Trump has pissed off the entire world, and the US can't afford to build factories etc. themselves, as they have to pay massive interest on debts and social security/Medicare liabilities. Trump will also raise the debt ceiling I wager...

Americans are used to cheap goods manufactured in Asian countries mainly. This is gonna be like a very tough diet, and we all know that people in the US generally don't like dieting. People will instead get poorer, the dollar might weaken and the Dems will have a very good chance of crippling the Trump admin after the midterms. We're on trajectory for exactly what happened the last time, and it might even get worse this time around!
 
An extra take.

From what I've seen of trades wars and scuffles so far, they don't seem to make a huge amount of difference to economic activity. Trump trade war 1, Brexit, sanctions on Russia.

There is wealth, which consists of raw materials, the services/labour that turns them to goods, goods, and digital services that are just a layer that operates above all the previous. Trade barriers just affect where that wealth flows.

When the UK formally left the EU, the mainstream were saying (and still do) that Britain is shooting itself in the foot. But we've since seen that the UK was pretty much the least bad performer of the G7 since. Meanwhile Germany has slipped into economic contraction - something which the MSM experts said would not happen. The UK had large trade deficits with a number of EU countries, primarily Germany. When the UK left the EU, it simply changed economic channels. Barriers mean wealth that would have left the UK either stayed in the country or went elsewhere. And Germany lost on exports.

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This shows the difference in trade in the last year in the EU, compared with 2023 (4th year out). It shows the the percentage of trade with the EU and China fell by about 6%, and instead went to the US. Further, more wealth remained in the country, which I think is ultimately the most beneficial thing.

I find that MSM Western normies in particular are of the mind that you really have to rely on the world and how wealth comes into the country. Not surprising if you are as useless as the mainstream who have been loosing massively in everything for three decades. You don't hear or see much about generating new wealth, which shows a fundamental disconnect from economic reality. Wealth is created and destroyed in the pursuit of more wealth and leisure. Leaders need to focus on putting two and two together and making 4, rather than thinking hemorrhaging huge wealth to foreign often hostile nations is somehow good.

In the case of Russia, it was more dramatic, where we saw huge trade barriers erected that we were told would destroy Russia. But the wealth very quickly just moved in different directions, including via proxy to sanctioning states. Russian real GDP grew in the following year and is above the previous trend line. Meanwhile the sanctioning states who cut themselves off from the basis of their industrial and technical economies (cheap Russian energy) have headed towards 0% growth and contraction (Germany); along with disposable income for many falling to zero and inflation.

No one knows how it is going to go with Trump's trade war. But I think this is less than the beating that Europe has taken over their idiotic COVID policies and self-inflicted energy wound. The US is ramping up energy production and is on the end of huge investment. It's also the center of the vast majority of the world's high-tech industries and that's guaranteed into the future. Exactly how they will fare with derustbeltification is more unclear for reasons listed above. But at the same time. GDP per capita is about $14k in China now. Manufacturing has already been going to Vietnam and elsewhere as China becomes less competitive at low-end manufacturing and more competitive on high-end manufacturing. And all of the countries you could reasonably have mid-IQ manufacturing bases in are also growing quite quickly. It makes sense that manufacturing can continually return to the US with more automation, as it already has been doing.

If you followed the words of Trump's top economics advisor Hassett, you will have seen that he outlined this:

1) trade war initiated
2) GDP to inch by in positive in Q1 (looks to be correct)
3) trade negotiations in early April
4) tax cuts and economic boosters

The realistic outcome is this shaves no more than 0.5% off of global GDP in year 1. If Trump plays his cards well, the loosers should be those who are exporting wealth and importing fiat. The winners will be those who can produce more wealth domestically and expand global trade. And it's the US that has trillions ear-marked for high-tech investments and a plan to expand trade via the trade war.

 
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I don't think tariffs are a good idea for several reasons; When the US last had substantial tariffs it was a predominately white European country with a high birth-rate. The domestic market outlook was a lot better back then! Secondly, tariffs are basically a tax on Americans. Think of clothing for example, check the labels on your clothes...mine all say; made in Bangladesh, Taiwan etc. Do you think US citizens will appreciate paying a lot more for clothing/shoes/electronics and so on? Although ironically this is a great measure for the environment, but Trump or his enemies don't see it as such of course.

Foreign companies aren't gonna be willing to move production to the US either, especially after Trump has pissed off the entire world, and the US can't afford to build factories etc. themselves, as they have to pay massive interest on debts and social security/Medicare liabilities. Trump will also raise the debt ceiling I wager...

Americans are used to cheap goods manufactured in Asian countries mainly. This is gonna be like a very tough diet, and we all know that people in the US generally don't like dieting. People will instead get poorer, the dollar might weaken and the Dems will have a very good chance of crippling the Trump admin after the midterms. We're on trajectory for exactly what happened the last time, and it might even get worse this time around!
Aren't you from outside the US? How do US tariffs affect your country?

Does your country have high tariffs on the US? If so, surely what's good for your country would be good for the US.
 
As the Dow goes down, I am going to use cash in my 401k to slowly buy into mutual funds. I moved 2% today. I think it has a long way to go down, but I also thought the same thing during covid, and the stock market got bailed out and moved too quickly. I only got 8% moved that time around. I plan to slowly move over small % of that cash as the Dow falls down.

I'm not giving any investment advice, but there might be some buying opportunities out there.
 
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