The Trump tariffs

[SpyofMoses]

The answer is robot to ASSIST, not to do everything.

I hope it's not beating a dead horse to reiterate this point.

I used to do a factory job that did, in fact, have a "robot" counterpart doing the job at a different plant for the same company. When I first learned that my job had already been automated, I was worried that I'd have to learn to code soon. Almost immediately after that thought my colleague went on to say that the machine doing that task was so high maintenance that it could only churn out a few orders a day, whereas I was churning out a few orders every hour. People who say that robots are imminent and will immediately displace 10s of millions of workers all at once are tacitly admitting they've never worked in a factory before.

 

[Caduceus]

 

[Laner]

I hope it's not beating a dead horse to reiterate this point.

I used to do a factory job that did, in fact, have a "robot" counterpart doing the job at a different plant for the same company. When I first learned that my job had already been automated, I was worried that I'd have to learn to code soon. Almost immediately after that thought my colleague went on to say that the machine doing that task was so high maintenance that it could only churn out a few orders a day, whereas I was churning out a few orders every hour. People who say that robots are imminent and will immediately displace 10s of millions of workers all at once are tacitly admitting they've never worked in a factory before.

A lot of automated factories will be maintenance staff instead of production workers. This is a good thing, as the repetitive nature of those jobs are probably what leads to a lot of mental issues.

 

[SpyofMoses]

This is a good thing, as the repetitive nature of those jobs are probably what leads to a lot of mental issues.

The fluorescent lights and very odd schedules that can fight the average person's body clock don't help, either. Which is to say nothing of the random stuff you can get exposed to.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Do you think they'll lash out? That's what the doomsayers from sites going on predicting that for 20, 10, the last 5 years, etc keep saying.

Zeihan is still predicting that too, like Schiff's BTC prediction. They don't realize that predicting that we'll all die one day isn't a prediction.

Schiff is wrong about Tariffs and Zeihan is frankly an overrated mouth piece who opines on subjects like he's an expert and yet has Generally at best a sophomoric understanding.

His understanding of Jones Act and the shipping space is a prime example of him out kicking his intellectual depth.

 

[WaveMechanic]

I hope it's not beating a dead horse to reiterate this point.

I used to do a factory job that did, in fact, have a "robot" counterpart doing the job at a different plant for the same company. When I first learned that my job had already been automated, I was worried that I'd have to learn to code soon. Almost immediately after that thought my colleague went on to say that the machine doing that task was so high maintenance that it could only churn out a few orders a day, whereas I was churning out a few orders every hour. People who say that robots are imminent and will immediately displace 10s of millions of workers all at once are tacitly admitting they've never worked in a factory before.

I'm not picking a fight, but I will counter with some anecdotal things I am seeing.

There are self driving cars all over my city now. No one inside. There are also about to be autonomous 18-wheelers driving in a designated lane on a freeway. Cabbies, Uber/Lyft drivers, truck driving jobs could all disappear waaay sooner than many realize.

I was just at Six Flags, and there were robots cutting the grass. Say bye bye to many landscaping jobs.

I was just reading about when you order at Wendy's at the drive through the "person" you're ordering from is an AI. It's convincing enough no one can even tell.

Many are saying robotics/AI are going to become super prevalent, super quickly similar to how in less than a decade cell phones went from rare to essentially every man, woman, and most kids even above the age of 11 or 12 having them.

 

[thinkreadwritecode]

I'm not picking a fight, but I will counter with some anecdotal things I am seeing.

There are self driving cars all over my city now. No one inside. There are also about to be autonomous 18-wheelers driving in a designated lane on a freeway. Cabbies, Uber/Lyft drivers, truck driving jobs could all disappear waaay sooner than many realize.

I was just at Six Flags, and there were robots cutting the grass. Say bye bye to many landscaping jobs.

I was just reading about when you order at Wendy's at the drive through the "person" you're ordering from is an AI. It's convincing enough no one can even tell.

Many are saying robotics/AI are going to become super prevalent, super quickly similar to how in less than a decade cell phones went from rare to essentially every man, woman, and most kids even above the age of 11 or 12 having them.

Oddly enough, most of those jobs you mentioned have been overrun by immigrants. If the answer to "who will do the jobs Americans won't do?" are robots, then I can see people suddenly being on board.

 

[Blade Runner]

I was just at Six Flags, and there were robots cutting the grass. Say bye bye to many landscaping jobs.

That's one that would be "good enough" if it's even close. Which I'm sure they can do (basic shapes and mowers).

Many are saying robotics/AI are going to become super prevalent,

What do you say? And how quickly? That's what is important.

 

[Caduceus]

 

[PurpleUrkel]

Many are saying robotics/AI are going to become super prevalent, super quickly similar to how in less than a decade cell phones went from rare to essentially every man, woman, and most kids even above the age of 11 or 12 having them.

AI merging with robotics is one of, if not the biggest threat humans face over the next 20 years. (((They))) literally spell it out for us decades in advance via Hollywood and the "arts." 2003's Terminator: Rise Of The Machines and Dean Koontz (jew claiming to be Catholic) in his 1981 novel The Eyes Of Darkness where he introduces us to the "Wuhan"-400 virus are just two such examples. And has anyone here ever folded the old $20 bill into the shape of an airplane only to reveal imagery of the twin towers burning? Exactly. We're being f*cked with, and we ain't seen nothin' yet. Deep fakes of your wife doing porn with your daughter coming soon to a theater near you. Get. Out. Now.

How many times does one have to read Animal Farm and 1984 to see the writing on the wall?

 

[NSOE]

I've been doing this for a while with my clothes and shoes etc. Less stuff but higher quality and timeless cuts.

You look better and things last. Way longer than the fast fashion stuff.

I still have 2 or 3 USA made polo shirts, good for casual settings, they wear like iron.

 

[budoslavic]

 

[budoslavic]

 

[scary_robot_music]

"Staggering new tariffs."

I don't understand this. What do we really export much to China, other than Hollywood movies? Vox Day posted the other day about how it's essentially as impossible for China to win a trade war against the USA as it would be for us to defeat them militarily in an actual war. While I don't claim to really know for sure, the points Vox makes here make a lot of sense to me:

...here are the retaliatory measures reportedly being contemplated by China in response to the 104 percent tariffs imposed by the US government.

1) Retaliatory Tariff increases on U.S. Agricultural Products including Soybeans and Sorghum.

Whoop-de-damn doo. No one cares about the profitability of Big Agriculture. Feed it to the cattle.

2) Banning import of U.S. Poultry into China

Whoop-de-damn two. No one cares about the profitability of Big Agriculture. Lower prices on rotisserie chicken and at KFC are not things that fall into the problem category for Americans.

3) Suspending Sino-U.S. cooperation on Fentanyl-related issues

Whoop-de-damn three. There is nothing the Chinese can do, or should be expected to do, to stop Americans from taking illegal drugs.

4) Countermeasures in the Service related Sector

China already erected The Great Firewall. That card has been played.

5) Banning the import of US Films into China

Feature, not a bug. Burn Hollywood, burn.

6) Investigating the Intellectual Property Benefits of US Companies operating in China

It’s hard to threaten IP rights when there has never been any respect shown for them from the start.

The full post is here: https://voxday.net/2025/04/09/why-china-cant-win-the-trade-war/

 

[Australia Sucks]

Oddly enough, most of those jobs you mentioned have been overrun by immigrants. If the answer to "who will do the jobs Americans won't do?" are robots, then I can see people suddenly being on board.

The idea of "jobs Americans won't do" was always a pysop. Before the mass immigration from the third world even places like McDonalds in the USA were full of American workers. The reality is that mass immigration has pushed down the wages of those jobs to levels where many Americans no longer want to do it. If the USA stopped immigration and kicked out all the non-citizen foreigners then wages would go up a lot and Americans would start wanting to do those jobs again. Alas as you pointed out in the future they will replace immigrants with robots for those jobs.

 

[thinkreadwritecode]

The idea of "jobs Americans won't do" was always a pysop. Before the mass immigration from the third world even places like McDonalds in the USA were full of American workers. The reality is that mass immigration has pushed down the wages of those jobs to levels where many Americans no longer want to do it. If the USA stopped immigration and kicked out all the non-citizen foreigners then wages would go up a lot and Americans would start wanting to do those jobs again. Alas as you pointed out in the future they will replace immigrants with robots for those jobs.

I watched a movie recently called Subservience, a thriller with AI-bots, Megan Fox being the primary one focused on in the movie. Anywho, the whole movie could be interpreted as a based movie protesting mass immigration, as all of the menial, and some skilled, jobs (in an Alaskan town, I believe, so the movie-makers could keep POCs out of it) were taken by this "sims". The movie tries to cater to the reddit-AI-robots-are-going-to-take-over-we-need-UBI crowd but it could just as easily cater to the anti-immigration crowd. It reminded me of a skit by Ryan Long "When Wokes and Racists Agree on Everything".

 

[Thomas More]

The idea of "jobs Americans won't do" was always a pysop. Before the mass immigration from the third world even places like McDonalds in the USA were full of American workers. The reality is that mass immigration has pushed down the wages of those jobs to levels where many Americans no longer want to do it. If the USA stopped immigration and kicked out all the non-citizen foreigners then wages would go up a lot and Americans would start wanting to do those jobs again. Alas as you pointed out in the future they will replace immigrants with robots for those jobs.

Agreed. I've done a variety of these kind of jobs when I was young. Restaurant work, agricultural work, grubby construction jobs, etc.

I'm getting older, and it may be that younger people will no longer be willing to do these jobs. However, I think if all the illegal immigrants were pushed out and employers offered reasonable wages, a lot of young people would be happy to take the kind of jobs shown in Mike Rowe's Dirty Jobs show.

Edit: I will add that there are still some parts of the country that are nearly all white, and those places certainly have employees for these kinds of jobs.

 

[scary_robot_music]

Agreed. I've done a variety of these kind of jobs when I was young. Restaurant work, agricultural work, grubby construction jobs, etc.

I'm getting older, and it may be that younger people will no longer be willing to do these jobs. However, I think if all the illegal immigrants were pushed out and employers offered reasonable wages, a lot of young people would be happy to take the kind of jobs shown in Mike Rowe's Dirty Jobs show.

Edit: I will add that there are still some parts of the country that are nearly all white, and those places certainly have employees for these kinds of jobs.

You'd think that not only wages, but also working conditions would improve without the glut of third world immigrants. My wife is from one of the poorer countries in Latin America. Men in her country mostly face a choice between backbreaking work for ten or twelve hours a day that pays like $10 a day, being a layabout drunk, or a life of crime. An Amazon warehouse job that's nightmarish for an American is paradise to a guy who's used to working in the fields under the hot sun all day for ten bucks, so there's no real motivation for Amazon to make conditions in their warehouses nicer while millions of those guys are here and available.

 

[thinkreadwritecode]

Agreed. I've done a variety of these kind of jobs when I was young. Restaurant work, agricultural work, grubby construction jobs, etc.

I'm getting older, and it may be that younger people will no longer be willing to do these jobs. However, I think if all the illegal immigrants were pushed out and employers offered reasonable wages, a lot of young people would be happy to take the kind of jobs shown in Mike Rowe's Dirty Jobs show.

Edit: I will add that there are still some parts of the country that are nearly all white, and those places certainly have employees for these kinds of jobs.

When I read Louis L'Amour's autobiography he mentioned hoboing around the country picking up odd jobs so he could keep going. He said lots of guys were doing that and when he got older those types of people, the hobos, went away and migrants took that work over. I don't see why we couldn't go back to that. We have lots of young people bumming around, living out of their vehicle, doing gig work and exploring the country, or maybe even middle-aged people who'd be willing to drop their soul-crushing job in favor of the open road and live that way for a bit.

 

[budoslavic]

"Staggering new tariffs."

I don't understand this. What do we really export much to China, other than Hollywood movies?