The rising trend of transhumanism in the world

Northumber

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Neuralink update, Fall 2025

I think it may be time to open a new thread on transhumanism. I've been looking and couldn't find one. But maybe it works here in AI for now.

Neuralink has been making significant progress on implanting chips. There are currently 13 people using their hardware and software.

It's linked to AI because they use machine learning techniques to decode the signals from the brain.

Here's one of their scientists giving updates on it. It's sort of funny because he does it so blandly. There was a splashy update Musk did about 6 months ago.

They are implanting chips in the brains of paralytic people first, because, of course all progress is just intended for alleviation of suffering right?

2:55 - Introduction of their first product, Telepathy. tag line: you gain digital freedom.
He shows a guy playing a video game with his mind, and another guy controlling a robotic arm with his mind.
He states that the goal is to read and write from any part of the brain: motor, speech, visual. But here he says that they also want to augment human abilities.

7:50 - shows how they thread wires finer than a human hair (1000 channels - more channels the better) through the brain.
25mm size hole (size of a quarter). They are working towards a one click surgery. Fully robotic surgery.
Now you are a cyborg.

13:00 - starts showing the signals recorded from the brain. Implant deals with bandwidth, compression, spike detection. Then signals send through bluetooth.
inductive charging for the implant, so that's convenient .

17:00 the neural decoding... this is the Machine learning part.
You connect to an app on your phone! fun apps there, you can even name your implant! ( I could only imagine the subscription service for this. The market possibilities are endless I'm sure! )
They have to calibrate it. Neural waves essentially drift. So they use Machine Learning to help calibrate your brain. Some users have described that feeling as meditative. Well how about that.

 
Transhumanism is growing in popularity and many of our tech overlords are avid fans of it. It can be argued that most of us are already participating in transhumanistic trends. I believe transhumanism is blantantly aniti-human and anti-Christian. It's a timely topic for discussion.
 
Northumber said:
Transhumanism is growing in popularity and many of our tech overlords are avid fans of it. It can be argued that most of us are already participating in transhumanistic trends. I believe transhumanism is blantantly aniti-human and anti-Christian. It's a timely topic for discussion.
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I'm big on types/archetypes as you know. What would you say are at least types that currently exist that are forms of what is intended? The cell phone is something I can think of that is an extension of our being now, which is both foreseeable and sad, and it's part of our desire to make life easier due to outsourcing - which can be good for life or trade but also has costs, of course.

Technically though, transhumanism is addition and body modification with (mostly) inorganic things.

You can argue ALL tech is essentially anti-human. Uncle Ted basically saw this, but it's unrealistic. It's actually the only thing that doesn't seem completely necessary for God to "allow" that clearly foils humans, another type and story from history/mythology. It's always been the case. I have no issue with God of course, so I think a natural counter would be that God bestowed us with gifts and abilities to conquer the world and make certain things in life easier, but like with all things, good things used in various ways, or gone too far, can be very bad for us.
 
Blade Runner said:
I'm big on types/archetypes as you know. What would you say are at least types that currently exist that are forms of what is intended? The cell phone is something I can think of that is an extension of our being now, which is both foreseeable and sad, and it's part of our desire to make life easier due to outsourcing - which can be good for life or trade but also has costs, of course.
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I agree an archetype is the smart phone. Elon Musk has used the phone as an example of how we are already cyborgs - he explicitly says that. He thinks the bandwidth of using your fingers to type is just too slow, and the next logical step is to bypass "archaic" methods like that and decode/transmit directly from the brain. Musk is not alone in that mentality.

Everything is an exchange, we get power, but at the same time, we outsource, as you say, which costs part of who we are. I think it's a slow ratcheting effect throughout history (but speeding up now).

Blade Runner said:
You can argue ALL tech is essentially anti-human. Uncle Ted basically saw this, but it's unrealistic. It's actually the only thing that doesn't seem completely necessary for God to "allow" that clearly foils humans, another type and story from history/mythology. It's always been the case. I have no issue with God of course, so I think a natural counter would be that God bestowed us with gifts and abilities to conquer the world and make certain things in life easier, but like with all things, good things used in various ways, or gone too far, can be very bad for us.
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Yes, it's difficult to draw the line on tech. I've thought about the question whether ALL tech is bad as well. I think it has to do with our mindset. Are we trying to control?, or are we accepting God's will? These questions aren't simple and depend on each individual and their inner motivations.

Just as a thought experiment: take a time period from within our lived memory, and imagine it never progresses in tech from there. It stays roughly the same.
Would we be happy with it staying the same? Did we need all the new tech from, say, the 1980s or 90s until now? At least for me I think I'd be fine without the new stuff since then. It makes me wonder about people from previous eras in the past few hundred years. How many of them would have been happy with things staying the same?
 
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Would we be happy with it staying the same? Did we need all the new tech from, say, the 1980s or 90s until now? At least for me I think I'd be fine without the new stuff since then. It makes me wonder about people from previous eras in the past few hundred years. How many of them would have been happy with things staying the same?
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The issue is that this is always purely retrospective. It's sorta like the modern woman's/feminism dilemma. Now that they have seen what "life can be like" even though it's quite clearly bad for everyone (with some suggestions of advantages for the "self") - it's impossible to get back to a mindset where the previous era and things are just fine. That's also why collapses have to occur so the newer generations are raised with the different surroundings.

Most people, if we are honest, don't know any different and don't make any of this advanced stuff or really know about it. They just use it because it's marketed at them, and has obvious uses that they think are "good" whether they are or not. More often, it's convenience related but as we say, the modern person is "the product".
 
Northumber said:
they thread wires finer than a human hair (1000 channels - more channels the better) through the brain.
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I remember when Elon's lab was in the news:


after her surgery, Animal 15 would press her head against the floor, which is a sign of pain or infection, according to the records. Animal 15 would pull and pluck at her implant until it bled and lie at the foot of the cage, spending time with her cagemate and holding hands. Eventually, Animal 15 began losing coordination and would start shaking uncontrollably at the sight of lab workers.

interestingengineering.com

New evidence of monkey torture at Elon Musk's Neuralink

Elon Musk had denied claims that Neuralink’s monkey test subjects died as a result of their brain implants.
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In one example, a monkey was allegedly found missing some of its fingers and toes “possibly from self-mutilation or some other unspecified trauma.” The monkey was later killed during a “terminal procedure,” the group said in a copy of the complaint shared with The Post.

In another case, a monkey had holes drilled in its skull and electrodes implanted into its brain, then allegedly developed a bloody skin infection and had to be euthanized, according to the complaint.


In a third instance, a female macaque monkey had electrodes implanted into its brain, then was overcome with vomiting, retching and gasping. Days later, researchers wrote that the animal “appeared to collapse from exhaustion/fatigue” and was subsequently euthanized. An autopsy then showed the monkey had suffered from a brain hemorrhage,

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Elon Musk’s Neuralink allegedly subjected monkeys to ‘extreme suffering’

Elon Musk’s brain-chip company Neuralink has been accused of subjecting monkeys to “extreme suffering” during years of gruesome experiments.
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Yeah, I'm not a fan of experimenting on creatures like this in general, even if the claim is that it's for the "betterment of humanity". I think there should be more sacrality acknowledged.
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Agreed. It seems like animal torturers go into medical research on animals so they can have the opportunity to torture animals in diabolical ways. It's like the way pedophiles go into careers that will have them around children.
 
It's difficult to summarize this guy's work but we are going to see more of this soon.

He's already created a murmur with many religious people and philosophers. You can find lots of interviews with him. His name is Michael Levin.

He's essentially a scientist that is plugging into part of the spiritual realm to manipulate biology. Cool because scientists are having to accommodate some views very foreign to their materialistic mindset, but also terrifying because they have no self imposed limit on what they are currently experimenting with. He's already done some terrifying stuff.

He essentially has proved that something like DNA or the physical molecules in cells is just equivalent to hardware. He's shown there is an invisible software that makes use of it, that "runs" on it. Something like a pattern of information that is detectable in (but not limited in) the electrical field .

He has already taken human skin cells, learned the overarching language, or dictating patterns, and essentially teased out a new autonomous, multicellular lifeform. He calls it an anthrobot.

In some of the interviews he describes the possibilities as endless. He's working on regeneration of organs, limbs, etc. He also thinks if he can learn the pattern, or "language", it may be possible to give us wings, he even jokes propellers. He describes this as similar to exploring mathmatics. Pulling out new types of biological forms from some kind of mathematical space that can be explored.

 
Pacemakers have been around for maybe 75 years. Interfacing a human with robotic equipment or a computer surgically, what would the long term prognosis be- infection and brain damage risk over time. Dental implants can cause complications.
 
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