The Pronatalist Movement

TheSurveyor

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Hello,

So I recently discovered the pronatalist movement. It basically boils down to having as many children as possible for the benefit of the human race. One of their biggest supporters is Elon Musk.

While I do agree that the suicide cabal of DINKs and people sterilizing themselves are bad and unhealthy for a future society. I think the idea of people just having children for the sake of population growth is also amoral. I’ll leave the following link of a popular couple doing this.

 
Hello,

So I recently discovered the pronatalist movement. It basically boils down to having as many children as possible for the benefit of the human race. One of their biggest supporters is Elon Musk.

While I do agree that the suicide cabal of DINKs and people sterilizing themselves are bad and unhealthy for a future society. I think the idea of people just having children for the sake of population growth is also amoral. I’ll leave the following link of a popular couple doing this.



Having children naturally can never be amoral unless you are knowingly bringing them into a situation filled with despair (and I even think that can be debated since this can be subjective based on where you are born). Your position is anti-Christian, anti-Catholic and anti-human, unless you can better clarify.

I'm guessing you mean through their means such as IVF and genetic selection of traits. The facade of this clown couple walking through the woods and her wearing a long dress appearing to live off the grid but choosing high tech IVF is such a mind F. Plus, their main goal of "improving the economics" of society and making their children more productive in terms of a capitalistic view (selecting for leadership traits, etc). They likely look down on those with Down Syndrome since they will never be a net economic benefit. What a dark dark position. But also MSM loves this IVF push. Hard to pinpoint what's behind that. And I think that's all this really is. Or possibly a eugenics push. This will be the future revolution here. The real pronatalists will be those that continue to choose natural conception methods and having children with features that God has predetermined, not man.
 
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Having children naturally can never be amoral unless you are knowingly bringing them into a situation filled with despair (and I even think that can be debated since this can be subjective based on where you are born). Your position is anti-Christian, anti-Catholic and anti-human, unless you can better clarify.
Calm down man 😅. I’m referring to the utilitarian use giving birth to children for the purpose of economic and social means. I agree, the act of procreation itself is inherently good, due to it being through God’s design.

God can make a good out of any wicked deed.
 
Hello,

So I recently discovered the pronatalist movement. It basically boils down to having as many children as possible for the benefit of the human race. One of their biggest supporters is Elon Musk.

While I do agree that the suicide cabal of DINKs and people sterilizing themselves are bad and unhealthy for a future society. I think the idea of people just having children for the sake of population growth is also amoral. I’ll leave the following link of a popular couple doing this.


I support this and even started a thread and a grassroots movement for unvaccinated pro-natalism.


But the couple in the video appear highly suspect. They claim to be centrist politically, but urge leftist to procreate to keep their woke rubbish alive. Bloody hell, both parents look like the type to inject mRNA vaccines into their children. Also, IVF can be very dangerous with serious side effects.
 
Natalism is a net benefit, but it should be tempered with healthy breeding as well. Most women these days are under the delusion of freezing their eggs to get pregnant later among other fallacies ultimately detrimental to human health and growth. Every single young woman should understand the concept of a geriatric pregnancy and know the risks of what causes down syndrome to begin with.

It seems like natalism is encouraged by multiple worldviews. For the Capitalist, he needs workers and cares not for the individual struggles a million more mouths would demand and the pain and suffering endured by a majority of them for the sake of his pocketbook. For the Nationalist, he wants more of his people because of the inherent struggle in nature between the various races of man for resources and ultimately life and death. The communist leverages certain types of natalism, that being more births of people who can be easily controlled and less births of those who cannot be controlled. The Christian worldview, especially the Catholic one, crosses over more with the Nationalist point, for in the position of moral obligations to our mandate from God to be the curators of His work we must have progeny and educate them in His laws to keep the balance in this world. Yes there is love in there too, but that comes from understanding the Lord's work.

Yes it should be encouraged, but people must be made aware of the ulterior reasons why certain people push for it over other more natural reasons in line with God and nature. Dysgenics must be discussed and people need to be informed of what the facts are. It is a sensitive topic for some. For as much as it is cruel to look at downie's from a capitalist lens as being worthless (which they are from that point of view) it is conversely better to root out the causes of genetic deficiencies and have people breed more but with a spiritual purpose to it. Women who are over the age of breeding should not be trying to get pregnant and pushing one laborious gestation into the world that will most likely be a life full of misery for that soul who is born. I know a few people in extended social circles who were born to mothers over 40, and while it is not a cardinal rule, all three of them have physical deformities.

This does not make them any less of a human to me personally, but the effects of birth are not just random chance, sometimes there are no reasons why a woman in her 20s has a stillborn and a woman in her 40s does not, but going off of all the data we know from the entirety of human history, women and men should pair bond in their youth and begin families then. Older men taking younger wives will always work it is just a bit socially awkward after the terminal phase of feminism has inebriated the minds of girls everywhere.
 
I never had my children "for the benefit of the human race" I had children because I was married and we wanted to have kids so we could start a family, the thought of other people outside my family never crossed my mind.

I like the idea of having children but it shouldnt be a competition and it should be within marriage only, kids outside marriage is harmful to them and society. IVF and all these artificial ways of getting pregnant I dont think its a good idea I dont even think its something a Christian should do, I know it wasnt mentioned in the video you shared but it becomes even worse when people donate sperm and woman receive a complete strangers sperm, they not even married and the kids dont even know who the father is, thats very weired and I think thats a sin and a harmful thing to do, there is apparently a protest from children who were born this way and these kids are trying to ban these types of pregnancies because they dont know who their fathers are and they also not sure if the next person they marrying might be another one of these sperm donors children (their brothers and sisters) which would be inbreeding and that causes other problems.
 
Older men taking younger wives will always work it is just a bit socially awkward after the terminal phase of feminism has inebriated the minds of girls everywhere.
This is what the modern day clown world comes down to, and I'm not talking random dudes who are old with younger women, such that it might seem like a forced situation. There are tons of successful 40+ men at this point who would be great husbands, but the setup is one of taboo and lack of humility, sadly.
 
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