The Poland Thread

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Don't get too excited, Americans (whites) are more right wing:


winner red white men % w. women %
Trump 2024 59 51 takes both
Kamala 39 47
Poland Pres 2025 R 54.3 45.8 poll data, gave wrong fin res (L)
L 45.7 54.2

table data sources:




Can't go wrong with soccer hooligans:


I doubt that but Poland isn't too far behind America in the leftism stuff. 63% of Americans support faggot marriage, compared to 41% of Poles.
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I doubt that but Poland isn't too far behind America in the leftism stuff. 63% of Americans support faggot marriage, compared to 41% of Poles.
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Also I am not an expert on Polish politics so maybe others can chime in here but perhaps Polish left wing politics is different to American left wing politics. Maybe Polish left wing is traditional left wing stuff like trying to get free healthcare, free university, strong labor rights etc as opposed to modern/American left wing ideology which is about faggotry, gay marriage, trans rights, severe speech censorship and unlimited immigration and abortion, etc.
 
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Also I am not an expert on Polish politics so maybe others can chime in here but perhaps Polish left wing politics is different to American left wing politics. Maybe Polish left wing is traditional left wing stuff like trying to get free healthcare, free university, strong labor rights etc as opposed to modern/American left wing ideology which is about faggotry, gay marriage, trans rights, severe speech censorship and unlimited immigration and abortion, etc.
Very true. My wife is polish and I visited many times Poland. Lefties in Poland are different than the American version. Sure, in big City Warsaw you have of course some lunatics American style lefties, but they are in the low percentage. When I visited Poland and from what I hear and experienced myself, most polish people including women, do support traditional familys a lot. You can see it on instagram, the Bible of the modern women. My wifes instagram is full of polish women having babys. That gives a lot of pressure and desire for others to also persue this. Also, gays need to be aware that in Poland you will get beat up doing gay stuff in public (outside of Warsaw).
 
I doubt that but Poland isn't too far behind America in the leftism stuff. 63% of Americans support faggot marriage, compared to 41% of Poles.
This has more to do with minding their own business, Americans are more of a live and let live kind of people. By your table, Israel is at 56% opposed, a socialist country as founded, a system of welfare-capitalism now. Poland is white, the percentage of white Americans is what matters, 59% of Republicans oppose it.

In this year's presidential election the conservative won by a margin of 370K votes- got 50.89%. The other one has pledged to fight for every leftist issue- abortion, homos, refugees (especially hot since at least 2015).

This is not something I care about much, it's unnatural and will die without artificial support in a generation or two or three. It's easy to ignore this BS and to stay focused on one's own life and goals.

Many African countries are extremely anti-gay, but these are horrible hellholes, not right wing at all. Lot was just fine living in Sodom itself, prospered along with his family, maintained his sanity, something to keep in mind.

I am not an expert on Polish politics so maybe others can chime in here but perhaps Polish left wing politics is different to American left wing politics. Maybe Polish left wing is traditional left wing stuff like trying to get free healthcare, free university, strong labor rights etc as opposed to modern/American left wing ideology which is about faggotry, gay marriage, trans rights, severe speech censorship and unlimited immigration and abortion, etc.
After WWII- everywhere in Europe and especially in the socialist bloc- all of these things were introduced and remain in place. Nobody would dare to touch them which would be suicidal. In politics, the debated question is who can better improve/fix the system, or please the striking government employee unions of teachers, nurses, etc. The Law and Justice party are Christian social democrats in fact, the religious distinction here just means they're not kleptocrats, they fight corruption, and care about the country.

The true difference between the left and the right therefore comes down to whether a party supports or wants to destroy the Catholic Church.

All of the former communists have embraced modern leftist views. To stay relevant and be cool with the younger crowd, Fidel Castro apologized for persecuting faggots.

Domestically, a typical old and sour communist, a true believer too dumb to understand the bigger picture of how he had been used at the physical struggle stage as a tool to seize power, might be very anti-gay and confused if still alive. They were atheists, but in general communists- politicians or high level bureaucrats- had normal traditional family lives- no outliers in infidelity or divorce, they supported abortion and hated Catholicism, believed in their right to govern as authoritarians and thought the government should replace God as the source of morality and truth. Really bad people even when they would directly move against homosexuals:


Assorted commie political hags:




A Polish (now EU) MP, faggot:


An old dude who's a tranny, former MP:


These "traditional" as you call them left wing causes to me are just the first step towards the present chaos. Honest, talented, and hardworking people are robbed of their output and potential. This phase can last unchanged for a very long time, but the devil has a foot in the door all the time. A quick cultural shift can take place, while all the totalitarian mechanisms and power retaining systems have been in place all along ready to use.

A man of uncertain origin, a communist activist whose family arrived in eastern Poland with the red army after the war served two terms as president. Some say his real surname is Stolzman, but his family's history is so murky it's hard to prove now as ever more time passes:


A patriotic friar, the founder of a Catholic radio station which will celebrate it's 26th year of operation on Dec 8th, was subpoenaed in an act of lawfare by the prosecutor's office from all the way down and across on the other side of the country, for that very day, to testify about the financing of a museum he established. In a right wing country things like that don't happen.



When I visited Poland and from what I hear and experienced myself, most polish people including women, do support traditional familys a lot. You can see it on instagram, the Bible of the modern women. My wifes instagram is full of polish women having babys
Both Africa and South America have the most babies, but again, generally not very right wing places by any measure to me.

It's normal for wealthy societies to have fewer kids, and in Poland the fertility rate isn't very high, but I don't measure right wing sentiment using this yardstick. I encourage having children to be clear.

People share what they believe to be their successes and achievements on social media, don't welfare mamas do that too- babies are all that some people are able to make.

Just like the non-whites in the US, but to a lesser degree, Eastern Europe has higher rates of obesity than the west, it would be even worse if their level of economic affluence could be the same.

I've commented about this on RV.com. In the 80s Moscow ordered Poland to train Libyan military personnel. Thy had dollars sticking out of their pockets and would have Polish sluts waiting in line, so a conflict brewed with the locals, the Arabs as usual stabbed someone and had to leave. In England or the US, a white woman with a black or muslim man is very likely to be Polish. Western women stick to their own kind more.

A 24 year old woman in the city of Torun was raped and stabbed with a screwdriver by a Venezuelan, and later died. It was mentioned in the barbarian invasion thread. There was a demonstration against accepting migrants there as a result and hardly any women showed up, there was one young female who said she is the country's boxing champion, saying while she could defend herself, it had to stop. Maybe it could buy her some time, but a determined attacker would overpower her. I looked her up and she defeated a Jewish girl in Estonia this Spring as an 8th grader, but her dimensions are within specs, she doesn't look like a man, what is she doing training boxing, even though girls don't hit hard this is wrong in it's own right. So just one young female right winger at the march, who dabbles in manly things nonetheless.

Also, gays need to be aware that in Poland you will get beat up doing gay stuff in public (outside of Warsaw).
Depending on how blatant it is. While beneficial in this case, it's not a function of life's philosophy or reason, it doesn't stem from intellectual considerations.

There are punks who look for any tiniest reason to jump somebody for fun. In my youth, if you had wandered into a place as a stranger, be it a street, a neighborhood, or a village, you would have been confronted and likely beaten up just for setting the foot there. Likewise, any alien looking person can expect the same even now, and there were many instances from recent years of Georgians or Armenians getting attacked for looking somewhat darker than average and speaking a strange language.

It's just an excuse to start a fight. Intelligent people control themselves. In Africa albinos get attacked because they're different, it's the same mechanism.

These are some points to consider, the grass isn't always greener on the other side, a truly good EE woman will not change for the worse after coming to the US. If she does, she's been bad all along, but kept it hidden. If the same level of prosperity was available in EE, the women would be worse than in America.
 
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I used to live in Poland. Impression I got was in Warsaw specifically honestly not that different attitude wise to somewhere like London.

Clearly less 'diversity' but still a lot of nationalities, people moving there for work etc...

People romanticize it too much in my opinion partly by being utterly blinkered by hot women. In a weird way that's not too different to say, a woman being fixated on Africa because they have a 'thing' for black guys.

But here's the difference I noticed - in Western nations people are utterly obsessed with leftism to the point of self-destruction.

But in Poland, it's more rampant captialism. Work your ass off, make and save as much money as possible. I don't think it's as staunchly Catholic as online commentators point out. Even if a survey says it's 98% Catholic that often means ostensibly Catholic. Maybe going to church as kids/being baptized. Getting married/going to funerals. Not much active worship at least from what I've seen. Still much more than other Western nations however.

Poland is what I think UK was like n the 70s or maybe even the 90s. Specifically Warsaw is on an upward trend in its influence and reputation.
 
but a determined attacker would overpower her.
As someone who has trained in martial arts I disagree. A female boxing champion could beat an average sized man who is completely untrained in a fight. But if he has a small amount of amateur martial arts training she would get her ass kicked.
 
I used to live in Poland. Impression I got was in Warsaw specifically honestly not that different attitude wise to somewhere like London.

Clearly less 'diversity' but still a lot of nationalities, people moving there for work etc...

People romanticize it too much in my opinion partly by being utterly blinkered by hot women. In a weird way that's not too different to say, a woman being fixated on Africa because they have a 'thing' for black guys.

But here's the difference I noticed - in Western nations people are utterly obsessed with leftism to the point of self-destruction.

But in Poland, it's more rampant captialism. Work your ass off, make and save as much money as possible. I don't think it's as staunchly Catholic as online commentators point out. Even if a survey says it's 98% Catholic that often means ostensibly Catholic. Maybe going to church as kids/being baptized. Getting married/going to funerals. Not much active worship at least from what I've seen. Still much more than other Western nations however.

Poland is what I think UK was like n the 70s or maybe even the 90s. Specifically Warsaw is on an upward trend in its influence and reputation.

What would you say were the positives and negatives of Poland?

And what made you want to leave to live where you are now?
 
I used to live in Poland. Impression I got was in Warsaw specifically honestly not that different attitude wise to somewhere like London.

Clearly less 'diversity' but still a lot of nationalities, people moving there for work etc...

People romanticize it too much in my opinion partly by being utterly blinkered by hot women. In a weird way that's not too different to say, a woman being fixated on Africa because they have a 'thing' for black guys.

But here's the difference I noticed - in Western nations people are utterly obsessed with leftism to the point of self-destruction.

But in Poland, it's more rampant captialism. Work your ass off, make and save as much money as possible. I don't think it's as staunchly Catholic as online commentators point out. Even if a survey says it's 98% Catholic that often means ostensibly Catholic. Maybe going to church as kids/being baptized. Getting married/going to funerals. Not much active worship at least from what I've seen. Still much more than other Western nations however.

Poland is what I think UK was like n the 70s or maybe even the 90s. Specifically Warsaw is on an upward trend in its influence and reputation.
I agree with all of this, and it's still miraculous how Catholic Poland is given that it had a government that was actively promoting secularization and atheism.

What's more disturbing is that many Western countries did not have governments with such blatantly heavy-handed religious policies (I'll give you France), but they were still secularized nonetheless. During the Cold War the U.S. government still had policies, both foreign and domestic, to maintain and even increase religiosity. This was not done for benevolent or moral reasons (they literally supported the mujahideen to stick it to the Soviets) and were worried a secularizing Europe would be attracted to communism. If their policies were more sincere, I think there was a chance to preserve or revive Christendom after the Soviet collapse.

Instead, they did all they could to antagonize Russia, bombed the Serbs, and worked on re-jew-venating Israel. Not to mention adopted not just secularism but every manner of degeneracy as policy.
 
What would you say were the positives and negatives of Poland?

And what made you want to leave to live where you are now?
Positives of Poland
- relatively affordable (compared with my home country)
- beautiful cities (Warsaw, Krakow, Lublin, Wroclaw...and I could go on) all easily accessible
- Good middle ground (benefits of West infrastructure wise and East in terms of more 'based' attitudes)
- Polish people (I found them to be generally intelligent/hard working/rational people)
- Attractive women
- Positive atmosphere (country is on the UP and I got some sense of life not being JUST depressing by proximity)

Cons of Piland
- Awful cold winters
-Extremely hot summers
- Annoying beaurocracy (in particular, when applying for work visa you can't leave the country for up to a year in some cases). Too much paperwork for everthing and constant unease I was doing something 'wrong' which extended to my work at times.
- intimidating atmosphere (In Warsaw particularly - get the big city blues and crushing loneliness. Just felt like everyone is on their own grind and like a random expat there rather than truly enjoying life or part of anything)
- Extremely challenging language

I had a mental breakdown there for various reasons I wouldn't necessarily blame Poland for. So many things went wrong. Got fired from my job, kicked out of my apartment, visa got rejected. I think from a purely logical angle it's a good place to live but my own emotional experiences there were overall pretty negative.

There's no place that can solve everything for you. I think if I was more stable before I'd moved there it may have gone better. I did stick it out for 2 years to be fair.

I just got sick of it and didn't think I'd ever be happy in Warsaw. I was isolated and depressed and so left.
 
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