The Movie Thread

[GodfatherPartTwo]

There are films depicting people worshipping Satan and this genre became totally mainstream in the 1960's with movies like The Devil Ride's Out (US Title: The Devil's Bride), which portrayed Satanic rituals, and starred actual devil worshipper Christopher Lee, who later repented. Probably the biggest was Rosemary's Baby (1968), which also depicted Satanic rituals.

If a film like Rosemary’s Baby includes a scene of devil worshipers, does that make the film as a whole devil-worshiping? Aren’t the devil worshipers depicted as the bad guys in RB?

For fear of sounding like David Icke, lol, the emotional states induced in viewers by horror films are very conducive to demonic influence, especially fear mixed in with sexual excitement, which is a prominent feature of Satanic rituals, sex magic, etc.

My understanding of the horror genre is that it’s premise is very simple: it reminds you that you are going to die. People have a sinful tendency to suppress this truth, but truth it remains. In that sense, I see a place for the genre. The interplay of fear with sex, or whatever other theme is by the by. The underlying power of the genre is fear of the curse.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

If a film like Rosemary’s Baby includes a scene of devil worshipers, does that make the film as a whole devil-worshiping? Aren’t the devil worshipers depicted as the bad guys in RB?

The entire film is a devil-worshipping, moral mind-bender where we identify with the main character, the mother, who, for the most part, resists evil, and does so more consistently and with more strength than her husband...see spoiler

Spoiler: Rosemary's Baby plot spoiler

but in the end she gives in for practical reasons, one of many arguments the devil worshippers use to persuade people to join their cause. The argument presented onscreen is hey, your husband already betrayed you, you were already raped by Satan, now the baby is here, it's your baby, so why not be the best mother you can to it, and she does.

You can't isolate the scene where Rosemary's husband drugs her so that she can be raped by Satan and say "That's the only devil worshipping" when the rest of the plot exists to set up this main action scene.

My understanding of the horror genre is that it’s premise is very simple: it reminds you that you are going to die. People have a sinful tendency to suppress this truth, but truth it remains. In that sense, I see a place for the genre. The interplay of fear with sex, or whatever other theme is by the by. The underlying power of the genre is fear of the curse.

The underlying power of the genre is emotional manipulation that is heavily dependent on music and sound effects and has nothing to do with awareness of mortality.

Disease of the week films are good examples of fear of dying in cinema, but that could be said of many genres where death is a theme or part of the denouement, such as war films, Westerns with gunfights, kung-fu with fatal confrontations, revenge fantasy films like Dirty Harry or Death Wish, etc.

 

[GodfatherPartTwo]

I think the underlying power of the genre is emotional manipulation that is heavily dependent on music and sound effects and has nothing to do with awareness of mortality.

By this definition, any genre could be reduced to "emotional manipulation." You don't think horror has anything to do with fear of death?

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

By this definition, any genre could be reduced to "emotional manipulation."

I should have been more clear. I did not mean emotional manipulation through pathos or story line, but emotional manipulation to induce fright through theatrics, such as sound effects, jump cuts, objects suddenly coming into camera, etc.

You don't think horror has anything to do with fear of death?

I meant from the perspective of the film makers. They use theatrics to create suspense and the audience' fear of death is tertiary at best. Would you say that a girl screaming on a roller coaster is doing so because of some liminal fear of death or an instinctive emotional reaction?

The film-makers' purpose is to expose you to demonic influence. If that wasn't clear from 1960's devil worshipping films, then how about Saw or even Se7en, which is just a rip off of The Abominable Dr. Phibes from way back in 1971.

 

[PurpleUrkel]

What do you mean by devil-worshipping films? Is the horror genre inherently worshipful of Satan?

Myself being a lover of visual and auditory media (an anti-spiritual secular addiction which I am trying to ween myself off of), that in retrospect the whole technocracy of "film" and "TV" is inherently the work of the devil. So yes, one could say that the horror genre in and of itself (and in particular) is satanic in nature.

"Entertainment" or artificial escapism from the exhausting and "boring" work of being a decent human/Christian is no doubt tempting, but all the entertainment we need is right in front of us in the form of nature. Instead of watching movies, we should be watching trees blow in the wind on the biggest flat screen known to man (the back drop of the sunlit biosphere). Easier said than done as we have been brainwashed to make jew produced Hollyweird projects the center of lives. As a secular musician and wannabe filmmaker myself, this is a tough pill to swallow.

And so it must be remembered, that even though there are some good movies out there (Passion Of The Christ, etc ), the jew "invention" as whole is the work of the devil and has thus has created more bad than good in the world (pornography, pushing faggotry and the trans agenda, pushing "equality" and "civil rights," pro-feminist trash like Mad Max: Fury Road, and horror movies that when watched too young scar kids for life.)

 

[GodfatherPartTwo]

I should have been more clear. I did not mean emotional manipulation through pathos or story line, but emotional manipulation to induce fright through theatrics, such as sound effects, jump cuts, objects suddenly coming into camera, etc.

Every genre has it's tools of the trade. "theatrics, sound effects, jump cuts" aren't limited to horror. The jump scare trope is and I agree that it's pretty schlocky. Not all horror movies depend on jump scares though.

I meant from the perspective of the film makers. They use theatrics to create suspense and the audience' fear of death is tertiary at best.

Suspense, sure. That is more of an elevated horror, the kind you see in thrillers or in a Hitchcock film. To say fear of death is "tertiary" when every major horror movie has death at the center undersells it.

Would you say that a girl screaming on a roller coaster is doing so because of some liminal fear of death or an instinctive emotional reaction?

I thought we were talking about film genres. Obviously, the ride is meant to simulate a fear. Fear of what? The "fun" or playful aspect of the ride is that you won't actually die even though the ride simulates that you would. I would say it's both/and to answer your dialectic.

The film-makers' purpose is to expose you to demonic influence. If that wasn't clear from 1960's devil worshipping films, then how about Saw or even Se7en, which is just a rip off of The Abominable Dr. Phibes from way back in 1971.

Haven't seen Se7en (don't care for the director) and only bits of Saw so I can't speak too much on those. What I remember of Saw, the premise is that the killer is playing God by enacting vengeance on people for their sins, no? When evaluating anything, in our case the horror genre, the reception of the audience must be taken into account. Watching a horror film will not automatically download the demon virus into the hard drive of your brain. To the pure, all things are pure.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Thanks for a good discussion on this. You made me think.

Watching a horror film will not automatically download the demon virus into the hard drive of your brain. To the pure, all things are pure.

I'm a little short on time today, but I do disagree.

I'd say no one is pure in the same sense that there is only one good man.

Furthermore, many Christians believe incorrectly that they are immune to demonic influence or attack. There is an excellent illustration of this fact from the story of Sts. Cyprian and Justina.

I need to flesh this out, but Kubrick's primary subtext in Eyes Wide Shut, and to a lesser extent 2001, is that, analogous to attending a devil worshipping ritual, if you watch you are indoctrinated in some way.

The Lives of Sts. Cyprian and Justina

 

[GodfatherPartTwo]

Entertainment" or artificial escapism from the exhausting and "boring" work of being a decent human/Christian is no doubt tempting, but all the entertainment we need is right in front of us in the form of nature. Instead of watching movies, we should be watching trees blow in the wind on the biggest flat screen known to man (the back drop of the sunlit biosphere). Easier said than done as we have been brainwashed to make jew produced Hollyweird projects the center of lives. As a secular musician and wannabe filmmaker myself, this is a tough pill to swallow.

The purpose of art is to hold up a mirror to nature. If you want to watch trees blow in the wind on a TV, then go right ahead. I'd say you suffer from scrupulosity, buttressed by both superstition and a false idea of what holiness is. It's a shame, because you can pursue both music and film without being bogged down by the scruples and in a way that's holy and pleasing to God.

I'd say no one is pure in the same sense that there is only one good man.

In that sense, absolutely. But in the sense that Paul means, people see outward things based on their inward dispositions. To put it another way, it is not what goes into a man that defiles him but that which comes out of a man defiles him. So if you say horror movies aren't for you, it's not for me to tell you to watch them. In return, I caution against looking down on someone because they're into something that for you is unclean.

 

[PurpleUrkel]

The purpose of art is to hold up a mirror to nature.

Very cliche'. Back in the day maybe. Today "art" is for people who are too lazy to do manual labor and too scared to physically fight evil. This is why historically the art professions attract so many jews and homosexuals. Art in the way we experience it in 2026 is primarily demonic, I mean, maybe The Renaissance in 1425 Florence possessed unmatched beauty and craftsmanship in pursuit of Godly reverance (though it was still funded by The Elite), but today it is all about The Secular Self, and therefore inherently demonic.

If you want to watch trees blow in the wind on a TV, then go right ahead. I'd say you suffer from scrupulosity, buttressed by both superstition and a false idea of what holiness is

Again, not to doxx you in any way, but it sounds to me as if you're somehow involved with (((The Industry))) and are therefore being defensive in pursuit of defending your "work." But even if I'm wrong on this account I speak from experience having once lived in LA working within the film industry. (((It's))) primary reason for existence is to lull the masses to sleep, draw them away from Christianity, and to normalize the over-sexualization of children.

And speaking of "trees blowing in the wind," I think you are completely missing the point on this statement. God is the perfect artist (no need for human art), and when one truly taps into God's art by paying deep attention to it, the best human movie in the world cannot compete. And so why reinvent the wheel except out of lust and self-aggrandizement in the form of attention seeking ("Look at the movie I made, aren't I talented and great")? If one is not "entertained" more by God's art (i.e. trees blowing in the wind) then they are by Hollyweird repetitive slop then yes, they are under demonic influence as nothing is as entertaining as God's perfect "natural* art.

True human art is dead, because when everyone and their brother can sing, dance, play guitar, and make movies, it literally means nothing.

 

[RedLagoon]

Thanks for a good discussion on this. You made me think.


I'm a little short on time today, but I do disagree.

I'd say no one is pure in the same sense that there is only one good man.

Furthermore, many Christians believe incorrectly that they are immune to demonic influence or attack. There is an excellent illustration of this fact from the story of Sts. Cyprian and Justina.

I need to flesh this out, but Kubrick's primary subtext in Eyes Wide Shut, and to a lesser extent 2001, is that, analogous to attending a devil worshipping ritual, if you watch you are indoctrinated in some way.

The Lives of Sts. Cyprian and Justina

Eyes Wide Shut (while being an incredible film) is essentially an initiation of the viewer as we experience what the doctor is going through as the innocent observer.

I'm still not sure if Kubrick tried to warn us with that film or if it all was a mascarade (there is a missing 25mins of footage missing and Kubrick wasn't alive when the film got cut).
Tarkovsky was no fan of Kubrick and unfortunately he wasn't around long enough to see it.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Eyes Wide Shut (while being an incredible film) is essentially an initiation of the viewer as we experience what the doctor is going through as the innocent observer.

I'm still not sure if Kubrick tried to warn us with that film or if it all was a mascarade (there is a missing 25mins of footage missing and Kubrick wasn't alive when the film got cut).
Tarkovsky was no fan of Kubrick and unfortunately he wasn't around long enough to see it.

I'm going to organize my thoughts on Kubrick and write something here because I'd love to discuss this.

I think Kubrick was one of the least worst film makers in Hollywood (yes, he lived in England) as far as character, but he was still "of that system."

 

[GodfatherPartTwo]

Art in the way we experience it in 2026 is primarily demonic, I mean, maybe The Renaissance in 1425 Florence possessed unmatched beauty and craftsmanship in pursuit of Godly reverance (though it was still funded by The Elite), but today it is all about The Secular Self, and therefore inherently demonic.

Art then really wasn't any different from art now. Have you seen how many nude paintings are in the Vatican? How many of them are blatantly pagan?

Again, not to doxx you in any way, but it sounds to me as if you're somehow involved with (((The Industry))) and are therefore being defensive in pursuit of defending your "work."

Not afraid of you "doxxing" me on this point since anyone who knows me knows this is simply not the case, not that there'd be any shame in it if it was. If I had the chance, I'd have a beer with you or rather invite you to Bible study to clear the air.

But even if I'm wrong on this account I speak from experience having once lived in LA working within the film industry. (((It's))) primary reason for existence is to lull the masses to sleep, draw them away from Christianity, and to normalize the over-sexualization of children.

I'm most sympathetic with you on this point. However, whatever level the entertainment industry is designed to lull the masses to sleep, politics is much worse since it is an industry built on blatantly lying to people and taking advantage of their sheepish nature.

And speaking of "trees blowing in the wind," I think you are completely missing the point on this statement. God is the perfect artist (no need for human art), and when one truly taps into God's art by paying deep attention to it, the best human movie in the world cannot compete.

Trees blowing in the wind can be nice but to this day I've never found anything better than the Bible. The creation was built for man not man for the creation. Natural Revelation can be decent (even though nature is fallen) but it doesn't hold a candle to Special Revelation. Now to be clear, human art doesn't hold a candle to Special Revelation either, but like Natural Revelation, it can be helpful or unhelpful depending on how it's received by the hearer. To write it all off as demonic is scrupulous and born from faux-piety.

 

[Maddox]

Very cliche'. Back in the day maybe. Today "art" is for people who are too lazy to do manual labor and too scared to physically fight evil. This is why historically the art professions attract so many jews and homosexuals. Art in the way we experience it in 2026 is primarily demonic, I mean, maybe The Renaissance in 1425 Florence possessed unmatched beauty and craftsmanship in pursuit of Godly reverance (though it was still funded by The Elite), but today it is all about The Secular Self, and therefore inherently demonic.


Again, not to doxx you in any way, but it sounds to me as if you're somehow involved with (((The Industry))) and are therefore being defensive in pursuit of defending your "work." But even if I'm wrong on this account I speak from experience having once lived in LA working within the film industry. (((It's))) primary reason for existence is to lull the masses to sleep, draw them away from Christianity, and to normalize the over-sexualization of children.

And speaking of "trees blowing in the wind," I think you are completely missing the point on this statement. God is the perfect artist (no need for human art), and when one truly taps into God's art by paying deep attention to it, the best human movie in the world cannot compete. And so why reinvent the wheel except out of lust and self-aggrandizement in the form of attention seeking ("Look at the movie I made, aren't I talented and great")? If one is not "entertained" more by God's art (i.e. trees blowing in the wind) then they are by Hollyweird repetitive slop then yes, they are under demonic influence as nothing is as entertaining as God's perfect "natural* art.

True human art is dead, because when everyone and their brother can sing, dance, play guitar, and make movies, it literally means nothing.

You have a talent for making the most insane posts.

"No need for human art."

"...when everyone and their brother can sing, dance, play guitar, and make movies, it literally means nothing."

What the hell are you talking about? Of course there is a need for human art. For one, it glorifies God by showing people the gifts he gave us.

And as for your other quote, not everyone can sing, play guitar, or dance well. I'm not even sure what you're getting at here or why it would matter. If it displays the human condition or brings beauty into the world, it's important.

 

[FrostBITE]

The 98th Oscars will air live on ABC and stream on Hulu on Sunday, March 15, 2026, starting at 7 p.m. ET/4 p.m. PT. The ceremony is held at the Dolby Theatre in Hollywood.

I wonder if they're going to up security given the FBI's warning about a possible Iranian drone attack.

FBI warns Iran aspired to attack California with drones in retaliation for war: Alert

The warning came in a bulletin that was reviewed by ABC News.

abcnews.com

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

The 98th Oscars will air live on ABC and stream on Hulu on Sunday, March 15, 2026, starting at 7 p.m. ET/4 p.m. PT. The ceremony is held at the Dolby Theatre in Hollywood.

I wonder if they're going to up security given the FBI's warning about a possible Iranian drone attack.

FBI warns Iran aspired to attack California with drones in retaliation for war: Alert

The warning came in a bulletin that was reviewed by ABC News.

abcnews.com

Soon after 9/11 there was a major event in L.A., I think it was the Emmy's, and the police surrounded the streets outside the building with large concrete barriers and had the entire SWAT brigade there for protection, but of course nothing happened because anyone looking in from the outside who wanted to harm the USA would know that Hollywood does that more than anyone, so why would they attack the people doing their job for them?

 

[eradicator]

Just watched Robocop 2. No where near as terrible as people have made it out to be (though we don't discuss Robocop 3...)

 

[GodfatherPartTwo]

Watched the 2014 remake of Robocop last night. It was better than I heard and than I expected. It still doesn't touch the original, but I'd say it's worth a watch. In some ways, it was prophetic. The cast was really strong, Gary Oldman (enough said), Michael Keaton, Jackie Haley, and Michael K Williams.

 

[FrostBITE]

This actor is receiving backlash because of comments he made about how he doesn't want to work in a field that becomes increasingly irrelevant like opera and ballet. Is he wrong? How many men would disagree with that statement?

They make these actors do all these inane interviews and Q&As, and then he has the audacity to speak candidly and get real for a moment and everyone loses their minds. I think it may have hit too close to home because he's also touching on the increasing irrelevance of Hollywood.

Timothée Chalamet is facing some heat for saying "no one cares" about ballet and opera during his Variety and CNN town hall with Matthew McConaughey.

Chalamet, 30, and his Interstellar costar, 56, reunited for a conversation in front of an audience at the University of Texas at Austin on Feb. 24. During that discussion, Chalamet and McConaughey talked about the current trend of movies placing "their biggest action set pieces up front," referencing Matt Damon's recent similar comments.

Chalamet listed Netflix's 2025 Frankenstein adaptation as an example of a popular movie that "pulled people in" without "extraordinarily fast" pacing.

"It does take you having to wave a flag of, 'Hey, this is a serious movie,' or something, and some people do want to be entertained and quickly," the Oscar-nominated actor said. "I'm really right in the middle, Matthew. I admire people, and I've done it myself, who go on a talk show and say, 'Hey, we've got to keep movie theaters alive, we've gotta keep this genre alive,' and another part of me feels like if people want to see it, like Barbie, like Oppenheimer, they're going to go see it and go out of their way to be loud and proud about it."

"I don't want to be working in ballet, or opera, or things where it's like, 'Hey, keep this thing alive, even though like no one cares about this anymore.' All respect to all the ballet and opera people out there," Chalamet added, to laughter from the crowd.

https://people.com/timothee-chalamet-faces-backlash-after-saying-no-one-cares-about-ballet-and-opera-11920142