The Movie Thread

I watched Oliver Stone’s Born on the Fourth of July (1989) about the real-life story of paralyzed anti-war Vietnam veteran Ron Kovic tonight on Netflix (I don’t have Netflix but am staying at a place with it, and boy, almost everything on the platform is brain-rot garbage). There are spoilers ahead.

1. Stone was a twice-wounded Vietnam vet and did a trilogy of films about it, including Platoon and Heaven & Earth. He knows the material intimately and it shows. Stone also has some deep and idiosyncratic views and I appreciate that about him.

2. It was interesting see Tom Cruise act in a serious role; he mostly pulled it off, but looking back it is pretty hard to separate Cruise the actor from Cruise the Scientologist/Oprah couch jumper - to his detriment, I think. Even back in his early career there was still a kind of cheerful deadness in his eyes which has only gotten worse with time.

3. I didn’t really react to scenes of unintentional U.S. military violence against Vietnamese women and children — not because those actions weren’t terrible but because they’ve become an expected trope of the genre. The two actually emotional scenes were (1) when Cruise cried realizing he could still have physical intimacy/be loved in a way even though he was paralyzed and (2) when Cruise apologized in person to the family of the soldier he accidentally killed (which didn’t happen in real life).

4. Regarding the actual Vietnam war itself, my opinion is as follows: it was a war intentionally set up by globohomo to be lost; fought half a war away (when they could have fought the same war next door in communist Cuba; why didn’t they?) with terrible rules of engagement, the goal was to bleed American blood and treasure in order to clamp down on American patriotism and help pave the way toward a future One World Government. Both America and Vietnam/their Soviet Union sponsors were controlled by the central bank owners. So to watch Kovic go from a pro-war fighter to an anti-war protester — he swings from one side to the other, but he plays into the dialectic on both sides. So I had sympathy watching most of the people and characters in this film — they were just too small-minded and myopic to really understand what they were up against.

5. (One may note that Stone ironically went to Russia a number of years ago to interview Putin from a sympathetic perspective; Stone, too, has no idea that globohomo has controlled Russia since the Tsar was eliminated, and that Putin is one of their puppets.)

Overall I would recommend Born on the Fourth of July with this perspective in mind. Between the strong script, excellent direction, and solid acting, it’s a type of film that can’t be made today and hasn’t been made in a long time.
I miss Tom Cruise, the actor. He was so good in that film along with others like Magnolia and Interview With A Vampire.

But for the last twenty years or so, he's just been Tom Cruise the movie star who hasn't had a serious part since he made The Last Samurai back in 2003.

Sadly, his best acting roles were back in the 80s and 90s. I get that he's an adrenaline junkie, but I can't help but wonder if he's too worried about losing his star status by gambling on these serious roles where he doesn't have the built-in audience of a Mission Impossible. He used to occasionally attach himself to these other projects where he could show off his acting chops. But then he made Rock Of Ages, which tanked. After that, it's been nothing but MI, Jack Reacher, and Sci-Fi tent pole films that appeal to the masses.
 

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I miss Tom Cruise, the actor. He was so good in that film along with others like Magnolia and Interview With A Vampire.

But for the last twenty years or so, he's just been Tom Cruise the movie star who hasn't had a serious part since he made The Last Samurai back in 2003.

Sadly, his best acting roles were back in the 80s and 90s. I get that he's an adrenaline junkie, but I can't help but wonder if he's too worried about losing his star status by gambling on these serious roles where he doesn't have the built-in audience of a Mission Impossible. He used to occasionally attach himself to these other projects where he could show off his acting chops. But then he made Rock Of Ages, which tanked. After that, it's been nothing but MI, Jack Reacher, and Sci-Fi tent pole films that appeal to the masses.

Cruise was an excellent actor when he still tried like in 'Rain man' and 'Born on the Fourth of July', but his stardom really got to his head in the new millennium unfortunately.

Also in 'Magnolia' he's actually playing himself (you probably already know this) the role was specifically written for him and he took the inside joke like a champ, we will not see him do that again.
 
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I watched “One Love” (Bob Marley movie). I’m a sucker for rock and roll biography movies but this one was just ok at best compared to some of the better made ones. Kinda forgettable IMO. Witha better Director/Producer and cast, it could have been a lot better.
 
Cruise was an excellent actor when he still tried like in 'Rain man' and 'Born on the Fourth of July', but his stardom really got to his head in the new millennium unfortunately.

Also in 'Magnolia' he's actually playing himself (you probably already know this) the role was specifically written for him and he took the inside joke like a champ, we will not see him do that again.
I didn't know that. Although now that I think about it, the character was very much like him so that makes sense. I'd argue though that the whole ladies man thing is not who he is. I used to work in Hollywood many years ago and one lady I worked with told me it's a known fact in the industry that he's gay. This would explain a lot as his romantic scenes with women look wooden, like he really has to act to make them believable. It's the only weak point I can find in his acting and he doesn't seem to do a lot of them, at least not from the movies I've seen him in.
 
Cruise was an excellent actor when he still tried like in 'Rain man' and 'Born on the Fourth of July', but his stardom really got to his head in the new millennium unfortunately.

Also in 'Magnolia' he's actually playing himself (you probably already know this) the role was specifically written for him and he took the inside joke like a champ, we will not see him do that again.
If you're saying he fears stepping outside his comfort zone in dramatic acting, I could see that argument. But it may be simpler than that. I think he just chooses roles for fun, since he doesn't need any more money or fame. I think he knows his boundaries, stays within them, throws wholesome mass-appeal red meat to the audience and is chill about it. I can respect that, actually. I also like the fact that he doesn't preach or get political in his films. Frankly, that is refreshing.
 
If you're saying he fears stepping outside his comfort zone in dramatic acting, I could see that argument. But it may be simpler than that. I think he just chooses roles for fun, since he doesn't need any more money or fame. I think he knows his boundaries, stays within them, throws wholesome mass-appeal red meat to the audience and is chill about it. I can respect that, actually. I also like the fact that he doesn't preach or get political in his films. Frankly, that is refreshing.
Good point. He doesn't seem woke either just enjoying life like the adrenaline junky that he is but I wouldn't mind seeing him do some serious "deep" role again.
 
I think Charles Bronson is my favorite action star, although I think I'd prefer to refer to him as a masculine star. I watched a few more of his movies the other day (Hard Times and Chato's Land) and I've seen The Mechanic and Death Wish. There's more available on Tubi, so I think I will continue to watch whatever of his movies I can find. He has the stoicism, the toughness, the physique, and the work ethic of a good masculine role model.

I was tricked in life as a child to think Arnold S was the epitome of action hero. Same with Stallone. They portrayed huge, jacked guys as the ideal masculine model, the hypermasculine, but I find I much prefer the quiet and hard types like Bronson. Bronson had the kind of physique I'm aiming for, and I wish I could find out more about the man, because I read he was very careful about what he ate and took his roles very seriously and worked hard at them.
 
I think Charles Bronson is my favorite action star, although I think I'd prefer to refer to him as a masculine star. I watched a few more of his movies the other day (Hard Times and Chato's Land) and I've seen The Mechanic and Death Wish. There's more available on Tubi, so I think I will continue to watch whatever of his movies I can find. He has the stoicism, the toughness, the physique, and the work ethic of a good masculine role model.

I was tricked in life as a child to think Arnold S was the epitome of action hero. Same with Stallone. They portrayed huge, jacked guys as the ideal masculine model, the hypermasculine, but I find I much prefer the quiet and hard types like Bronson. Bronson had the kind of physique I'm aiming for, and I wish I could find out more about the man, because I read he was very careful about what he ate and took his roles very seriously and worked hard at them.
Check out Once Upon a Time in the West. It stars Charles Bronson as the good guy. Still one of the greatest movies I've ever seen.
 
My wife bought tickets to see it for her birthday before I had any idea, so I went along and watched it. If it weren't for that I'd have not bothered. If you liked Deadpool 1 and 2 you may like it, but I've changed since then and was unmoved by the latest Deadpool. It's another Jewish gore-porn vulgarity-slop production for the goys. I liked Ryan Reynolds humor once, but then it got old for me in record time, I think because it began to feel repetitive and too cheesy. Hugh Jackman did a good job portraying the Wolverine and shows himself to be the best actor the Marvel franchise has ever had. If you're a fan of Wolverine you won't be disappointed.
 
My wife bought tickets to see it for her birthday before I had any idea, so I went along and watched it. If it weren't for that I'd have not bothered. If you liked Deadpool 1 and 2 you may like it, but I've changed since then and was unmoved by the latest Deadpool. It's another Jewish gore-porn vulgarity-slop production for the goys. I liked Ryan Reynolds humor once, but then it got old for me in record time, I think because it began to feel repetitive and too cheesy. Hugh Jackman did a good job portraying the Wolverine and shows himself to be the best actor the Marvel franchise has ever had. If you're a fan of Wolverine you won't be disappointed.
I saw it too. The audience ate it up. About a decade ago, I might have joined them. Instead, I found myself rolling my eyes at the explicit or implied sexuality and Redditor humor (fourth wall breaks, "Marvel Jesus"). It's also difficult to make any kind of investment in "superheroes" who can never really perish (even if they don't possess regenerative superpowers, there's always another "universe" capable of reviving them). A world free of consequences.
 
^I ended up watching it today and I agree with both of you: a lot of the humour felt juvenile and just fell flat.

I think I enjoyed the soundtrack more than the film itself :)
 
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I miss Tom Cruise, the actor. He was so good in that film along with others like Magnolia and Interview With A Vampire.

But for the last twenty years or so, he's just been Tom Cruise the movie star who hasn't had a serious part since he made The Last Samurai back in 2003.

Sadly, his best acting roles were back in the 80s and 90s. I get that he's an adrenaline junkie, but I can't help but wonder if he's too worried about losing his star status by gambling on these serious roles where he doesn't have the built-in audience of a Mission Impossible. He used to occasionally attach himself to these other projects where he could show off his acting chops. But then he made Rock Of Ages, which tanked. After that, it's been nothing but MI, Jack Reacher, and Sci-Fi tent pole films that appeal to the masses.
I enjoy watching Edge of Tomorrow and Oblivion. It's easier to watch Tom Cruise be a character in those movies than to suspend disbelief and watch female superhero kick ass.
 
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