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Has anyone found a good offline, preferably open source foreign dictionary for their phone?

Linguee is a good online service, enhanced by neural networks.

The traditional dictionary publishers, such Pons in Germany have their products for sale in electronic form, but generally force you into one of the two app stores.

I don't mind paying to buy these things but fear excessive privacy invading stuff in their apps, and trying to go online every time you search.

In the early days of smartphones, pre iPhone, I had a Nokia Symbian phone with very good foreign language dictionaries. Low tech, low bloat, but effective. Paid for them as well, but that was fine. In those days it was not purchased through a centralised app store. In any case I am too paranoid to even use Google Play Store on my degoogled device and am not sure if you can get paid android apps through the Aurora store.

Just would be handy, even if it's within the language, not to English.
Do you have iOS or Android?
I've got dictionaries from the company iThinkDiff on my iPhone and they have served me well. They were free to download and include the whole dictionary, so no mobile connection necessary. Of all the dictionaries I downloaded, the largest was Russian-English, and it is 154MB. All the others are 120MB or under 100MB.
Interestingly, the dictionaries also contain vocabulary building games and practice.
 
As I have already been forced to learn more languages than I intended to learn (now on my 4th), I really don't want to learn Russian and hope nothing forces me to. Still, there are some invitations for me travel to Russia and some business there. I'm always reading the RT in languages other than Russian, mainly in English.

Question is this - is there any point in learning just the Russian alphabet, but no words?

If you know that alphabet, are there a lot of words which already resemble words of English and other Western European languages just with other characters?

When it comes to scientific or economic terms, do the Russians just transpose a term from a Western European language into their alphabet or is it a totally different word?

If you know just the alphabet, but not the words, and open up a Russian newspaper, how much of it can you understand?
 
If you feel like it, type up a few I'd be curious..

I just remember when I was there that 'cafe' seemed to be similar but the f was a circle with a line through it.

A lot of words ending in “tion” are transcribed similarly

Ситуация - situation
Станция - station (вокзал also common to see)
Провокация - provocation
Медиация - mediation

Problem is for many of these words there are more common Russian synonyms, and you’ll see all sorts of variations depending on which grammatical case it’s declined in which will obscure its relation to the rest of the sentence.

But yeah, cafe is кафе

My Russian is only really intermediate, so other posters can shed more light on this.
 
Was watching a documentary the other day and they were interviewing this German guy in English, he said something like :

"...and then we became the exclusive rights to distribute the merchandise in Germany"

He said became instead of got !!

It is so funny and I get the impression the young Germans manage to avoid that mistake but the middle aged ones who half learned English could never quite believe that their bekommen is not the English become.

The German is :

„...und dann haben wir die exklusive Rechte für die Verteilung der Fanartikeln in Deutschland bekommen“

Hilarious every time.
 
I don't know much about the relationship between German and English, but there are some easily observable similarities at least on some superficial level. "Welkommen" sounds so much like "welcome in."
 
I began to learn Italian through Duolingo, but after watching a video by the founder, the Guatemalan jew, I think I will pass on Duolingo and attempt the method found in Tim Ferriss's 4-Hour Chef book. He had a brief section on learning languages and he would translate children's stories or write down the most important/frequent words used for conversation or grammar and then drill those. I can't remember exactly, I have to go find it.

What turns me off about Duolingo is the insane gamification it has undergone. I have to pay to learn, essentially. They give you 5 hearts, and if you go through them you are done learning for a while. It punishes you for making mistakes and only allows precious few because they want you to upgrade. Also, the Guatemalan jew was bragging in his TED talk that the streak thing kept people coming back because they didn't want to break it. I don't like being psychologically manipulated so I purposely broke my streak in order to prevent the app from gaining control over me. With frequent use from over two weeks and allegedly learning 100 words I don't think much stuck in mind. My mother can speak Italian (never taught me) but when I was at a family gathering I could hardly remember any of the Italian I learned from Duolingo. I have bookmarked on my Youtube a video about acquiring language as opposed to learning it.
 
I began to learn Italian through Duolingo, but after watching a video by the founder, the Guatemalan jew, I think I will pass on Duolingo and attempt the method found in Tim Ferriss's 4-Hour Chef book. He had a brief section on learning languages and he would translate children's stories or write down the most important/frequent words used for conversation or grammar and then drill those. I can't remember exactly, I have to go find it.

What turns me off about Duolingo is the insane gamification it has undergone. I have to pay to learn, essentially. They give you 5 hearts, and if you go through them you are done learning for a while. It punishes you for making mistakes and only allows precious few because they want you to upgrade. Also, the Guatemalan jew was bragging in his TED talk that the streak thing kept people coming back because they didn't want to break it. I don't like being psychologically manipulated so I purposely broke my streak in order to prevent the app from gaining control over me. With frequent use from over two weeks and allegedly learning 100 words I don't think much stuck in mind. My mother can speak Italian (never taught me) but when I was at a family gathering I could hardly remember any of the Italian I learned from Duolingo. I have bookmarked on my Youtube a video about acquiring language as opposed to learning it.

I think I built up like a 400+ day streak on duolingo for Russian before I reached the same conclusion. At best, I will say it certainly taught me some vocabulary, but the fact that it gives no explanations for grammar in a language like Russian renders it virtually useless. The gamification is very annoying as well as the globohomo art style.

Useful apps imo include LingQ, which has vast amounts of material you can listen to or read with transcripts and tap on words for definitions and save them for review, and you can also import material into the app. It’s very convenient, but perhaps a tad expensive, try it for a month before deciding on a longer subscription. There is also Learn With Texts, which is similar but requires some computer jittery-pokery to setup

italki is fantastic for finding inexpensive tutors, I think having a tutor makes things so much smoother in the early stages if the language you’re learning is very difficult for English natives. There is also Tandem for finding language exchanges, but this can be very mixed as some people seem to use it like tinder and women also want guys to follow their instagram etc.

I also recommend the book series “Short stories in [language]” by Olly Richards if you want to do more reading, they have them in a variety of languages and a variety of levels. It is very rewarding to go from understanding 30% of a short story to revisiting it and just reading it like you would in English with total comprehension.

You don’t necessarily need a spaced repetition app, but I use Anki as you can easily make flashcards. I’m too lazy to make the kind of flashcards women would make, linking words to images and having sound recordings of native speakers etc. I basically use it for writing down sentences as learning a word in context makes it much easier to slip into your passive vocabulary.

Once you get a vocabulary of 5000+ words the process becomes much more enjoyable as you’ll have a lot more freedom. The majority of my learning is done via input, listening to podcasts etc
 
My two big projects are Spanish and Arabic. I need to ask about Arabic though, any of you guys think I might be wasting my time and better off learning Serbo-Croatian, Portuguese, or Romanian / Moldovan?
 
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any of you guys think I might be wasting my time and better off learning
Depends on your goals.

Are you trying to travel somewhere far flung and actually understand people?

Are you trying to develop professionally?

Are you trying to meet exotic girls(I know a Chinese guy who is seriously learning French for this exact reason, haha)?

Nothing is a waste of time if you have a clear goal and are making progress towards it.
 
Depends on your goals.

Are you trying to travel somewhere far flung and actually understand people?

Are you trying to develop professionally?

Are you trying to meet exotic girls(I know a Chinese guy who is seriously learning French for this exact reason, haha)?

Nothing is a waste of time if you have a clear goal and are making progress towards it.
Both. Portuguese and Spanish are my best bet haha.
 
One thing I do know about the two of those languages is that Portuguese has more syllables than Spanish. So it's easier to go from Portuguese to Spanish than from Spanish to Portuguese. At least that's what some native speakers tell me. Once you know one, though, they are so similar that it will be easier to learn the next one.

Brazilian Portuguese is just like Spain Spanish and Latin American Spanish; same language, very different dialect. And sometimes Portunol is actually considered an official language around Brasil's borders.
 
So, I hate to say it, but my time with Duolingo has apparently come to an end. I freaking love that game, but as the years have gone by, it's fulfilled it's usefulness since I'm now beyond a novice level with my target language. There have been changes to the way it works that have made it feel less educational and more game-like, as if it wasn't already a game to begin with. Most of all, I finally accomplished this:
Screenshot_20240405_234034_Duolingo.jpg



..... and with that, my motivation to maintain a streak is now gone. We did it, boys!
 
“Language transfer” has been much more valuable to me than my time on duo.
Duo is ok for vocab, but is woke and kind of a waste of time.
Highly recommend language transfer.

 
CROSS-POST, so it's topic-appropriate:
ALTERNATIVE: Mods, could we create a sub-forum under "Other Languages" for Duolingo or language-learning apps? I don't seem to have privileges to do that.

I agree. We can put it under the languages sub-forum. I've studied a dozen different languages on Duo and have run across a lot of "propaganda-esque" samples, especially for languages from woke countries, like Sweden. Even their corny avatars that they use are woke (again usually only for woke countries' languages). So you'll see purple haired lezzie types complaining about her girlfriend, but you won't see that if you study Arabic (at least not last time I checked it).
 
Spanish and Mandarin are my projects. I find them the most useful in terms of global use.

Wanted to pick up an ‘Orthodox friendly’ language but couldn’t pick. Go to an Arab church, but Arabic is very difficult. Maybe Russian, but both of those are way too much volume to learn them properly.
 
Spanish and Mandarin are my projects. I find them the most useful in terms of global use.

Wanted to pick up an ‘Orthodox friendly’ language but couldn’t pick. Go to an Arab church, but Arabic is very difficult. Maybe Russian, but both of those are way too much volume to learn them properly.
The easiest Orthodox language to learn for a westerner is going to be Romanian, hands-down. Side benefit: the Romanians are very based on glomohomo and vaxxes, etc. The also rank as one of the most devout Christian countries in the world and are very active in their missionary/church planting work.
 
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