Stunning thank you for sharing.
How inviting do you think the Japanese people would be to a Christian 'white' family?
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Stunning thank you for sharing.
How inviting do you think the Japanese people would be to a Christian 'white' family?
The Japanese in general are not outgoing people.....very much like Scandinavians. Think Finland. They tend to stay in their own cliques and groups.
I think even among Japanese, "they don't even try" ( as you said) simply because, being in a crowded country, they are more acutely aware of the concept of personal space.
Comparing them to Brazilians is a bit much because South Americans are some of the loudest, brashest people on the planet. With no concept of mindfulness of others in public places (unlike the Japanese).
The Japanese may keep people at arms length but I've seen how, when it counts, they come forward to help strangers in their time of need. Case in point, some young, idiot American white guy thought it would be cool to climb Mt Fuji with just sneakers, no socks and no gloves. Idiot was in danger of frostbite. Luckily, a young Japanese climber was on his way down when he spotted the idiot, was surprised by his lack of proper clothing and then the Japanese guy proceeded to give the white idiot his own spare gloves, socks and warm clothing. Then the Japanese guy went about his way. Not asking for payment or anything in return.
That's how the Japanese are. If you're in trouble, they would usually try to help if it's within their means. But in everyday situations, they mind their own business.
I think if you're an extrovert, you're better off somewhere else.
This is the same in Switzerland and am the same race. It's something that I have come to appreciate over the years is that you can never escape or change from the culture you grew up in. The Swiss keep themselves to themselves and as hard as I might want to try or what passport i have, you won't be one of them unless you were born here.
I imagine it would 1000x harder in a place like Japan.
I spent a month hitchhiking around Japan in 2011. It was by far the easiest place to hitchhike (with one minor outlying situation) I have ever tried - even more so than the Balkans, which was pretty easy.
Why I mention that is what I was told often by the Japanese who would pick me up.
"If I don't pick you up, and others also think like me, then you might be waiting there forever".
Sometimes the first vehicle I saw would pull over. If communication was difficult, they would often think I was very poor. It would be hard for me to explain why I was traveling this way, and to refuse offers of free meals or a place to stay. I hitchhiked so I could go to places that buses were infrequent, meet interesting people, and spend time in tiny mountain villages. I ate at pubs and on too many occasions I had to accept locals to pay for my tab.
I am not at all surprised to hear that a random Japanese hiker gave away some clothing to someone who was unprepared. The shame he would have felt if he heard about a rescue of a frozen American youtuber would have been too much to bear!
This is not exclusive to Japan. All asians will stonewall you. You get what you pay for with asians. They’re easier to deal with because you don’t get the full range of emotional expression you’re used to. That’s the benefit. It will be much harder for an Asian to make you feel insecure, stupid, threatened, etc. It’s almost like a reset on your emotional development. You react to people’s behavior based on past experiences. In Asia it will feel like you’re experiencing interpersonal relationships for the first time. This is why you have guys going there and marrying prostitutes. They’re not operating based on past experiences, strictly pragmatism. “I need a woman and this whore is very convenient to have around. I feel nothing, I do feel lust though and I can act on it. This is good. I am happy.”
I want somebody to show me a single white man who integrated into Asian culture. Even if you learn the language the conversations will always be skin deep.
One of the main reasons why you can never get any real insight on Asia. Anyone who goes to Asia will be an outsider and will eventually have to hang out with other westerners to not go insane. The strange dynamic is also why Asians get praised all the time on the internet or the complete opposite where you have people who start bringing awareness to Asian problems. Lol.
People go there or date them and they’re kind of forced into this position of observing them from behind a glass. Your ego needs something to justify itself and your intellect needs something to explain things away. So you start grasping at straws when explaining Asia. They’re family oriented, they’re this, they’re that. People literally told me to read books on their culture. lol. Why can’t they show me who they are? Ridiculous.
Going to Asia is like walking into somebody’s house uninvited and the awkwardness never goes away.
I don’t think the comparison to Scandinavians is valid. The races are different, the nature is different. It’s like saying I’ve been around shy people therefore I’ll do great in Asia. No you won’t because the issue isn’t the shyness, the issue is the completely lack of a racial cross bridge.
I want somebody to show me a single white man who integrated into Asian culture. Even if you learn the language the conversations will always be skin deep.
One of the main reasons why you can never get any real insight on Asia. Anyone who goes to Asia will be an outsider and will eventually have to hang out with other westerners to not go insane. The strange dynamic is also why Asians get praised all the time on the internet or the complete opposite where you have people who start bringing awareness to Asian problems. Lol.
People go there or date them and they’re kind of forced into this position of observing them from behind a glass. Your ego needs something to justify itself and your intellect needs something to explain things away. So you start grasping at straws when explaining Asia. They’re family oriented, they’re this, they’re that. People literally told me to read books on their culture. lol. Why can’t they show me who they are? Ridiculous.
Going to Asia is like walking into somebody’s house uninvited and the awkwardness never goes away.
I don’t think the comparison to Scandinavians is valid. The races are different, the nature is different. It’s like saying I’ve been around shy people therefore I’ll do great in Asia. No you won’t because the issue isn’t the shyness, the issue is the completely lack of a racial cross bridge.
Yup, even to those who have been to Japan for 10+ years they eventually start hanging out mostly with other foreigners.
That was a fantastic and accurate run down, and a major reason that colonization never works in Asia. The only way for foreigners to operate there is within their own 'colony'. There are obvious outliers, but the deep feeling of all Japanese is that there will be a day when all foreigners will once again pack up and leave.
This might be changing though, as more and more pressure is sold to the Japanese. They have an Indian mayor in Tokyo now, and that was a huge surprise to the Japanese since most didn't even really know just how many Indians have snuck into their country since relaxing their visa laws. Not to mention bursting at the seems this past year or two with tourists, and the amount of Japanese Americans moving back to Japan and howling about the demise of America.
One thing about Japan vs the rest of Asia though, is that their women wife up very well, much more low maintenance and reliable mothers/wives than say Chinese or Filipina, difference is almost day and night among my friends who have married Asian women (or Latinas for that matter).
Women completely run the show in China and Philippines, especially Philippines, probably some of the most masculine women in the world right up with the USA, in Japan, it seems to be much different, women more feminine, politics largely men, albeit they have a major problem with cheating
Speaking from my own personal experience, Japanese women do seem to make incredible wives and mothers. There is a small portion here in the west who seem to have horrible mate selection tendency, though from spending time with the families of my wife's Japanese friends, they mostly seem to be very happy and content in their marriage.
- They take very good care of themselves. From hygiene to fitness and grooming, they are always among the best presented women around.
- They appreciate food, and will cook from scratch using fresh ingredients. Processed foods are almost a shame to them, and they tend to look down on wives who don't cook healthy food.
- Kids lunches. This might be a bit overboard, but they take the 'bento' to another lever. I like to bug her that its a competition, but it's also very much a competition. The result is that kids get probably they healthiest, tastiest and most aesthetic lunches on the planet.
- They are feminine, and prefer to stay out of politics and instead like to read about things like crafts, cooking and DIY home projects. My wife and her friends instagram is all about mom tricks and how to better organize your daily family life. Also a lot of fitness:
- Fitness is a big part of their culture. From a young age they do daily morning exercise routines, which continue right into the workplace. Each morning, even giant corps and construction companies do a 15 min exercise routine. This is just the minimum for most people, and my wife and most of her friends also do calisthenics, cardio and even plyometrics. This translates into more energy, and:
- Sex. Most women are having sex between 1 and 4 times a week. They tend to enjoy it, and see it as a pleasurable and bonding experience.
That is a list of positives, and there will be an equal list for negatives. But in my experience, the positives greatly outweigh the negatives and ensure a happy and healthy home life.
Maybe if you are talking about the Japanese women aged 35+
The new generation of Japanese women aged 18 - 25 in many ways have a very westernized mentality and most of them are not wife-able.
What exactly do you mean here with the cross bridge?
They seem to objectively be the best looking. They are obviously near the highest on the IQ scale, too.
And almost always, any 18-25 Japanese woman that is interested in a white guy is also bottom of the barrel, ugly, outcast, weirdo type
It means two people have a hard time connecting with each other because the cultural, ideological and even emotional differences are too big to overcome. I call it racial because in this circumstance it’s two different racial groups. So you have a dynamic that begins on a very superficial level and it just doesn’t make sense for either side to “overcome” it. Obviously that doesn’t stop a lot of people from trying especially nowadays.
You can always connect with people on a primal level where if you’re starving and someone else is starving, you can bond over the joy of getting some food. Unfortunately we don’t live in a primal world. That’s why most people will try to do it with physical activities like drinking/fun, “learning” and hobbies.
Vacationing and relocation are two different things. It can be fun to go do the limbo with some Indians, it’s not fun to go work in an Indian 7-11.
Even from an in-group perspective. It’s hard to make white friends as an adult for a variety of reasons. Most of all because most white people have their own life, their own creature comforts and they don’t want to hang out with you everyday talking politics unless it’s their only crutch. Then imagine how much this is multiplied overseas.
It’s a self-defeating exercise. You have to go overseas with the best attitude. You have to go somewhere overflowing with enthusiasm so certain locals actually want to engage you. Most will not care especially in an urban place like Japan. You will be at the mercy of their hospitality. Eventually you will start hitting walls and they will hit walls with you. The momentum is going to start pushing you backwards towards superficiality. You might start feeling resentment because you’re going backwards. You thought you made all this progress but you’re back at square one. People start getting burnt out. The interest wanes.
The Asian-boomer relationships are really weird. It sometimes looks like a cross species interaction. You have these Asian women studying whites like a book assignment. So you see all these fake laughs, pats on the back and one key thing Asian women have learned is “never ask a white man for money or they will get bitter”. lol. Lot of empty gestures. This is result of the aforementioned.
This is why white countries are so attractive. White people are extremely easy going. You just land in a white country, everything is straightforward, there’s universal morals and ethics, straight forward hedonism. The only barrier is politics but our politics are so easy to understand only imbeciles struggle with it. Just mumble something about “big government” and “less taxes” and you’re in.
Whites are the most hospitable group as a society. Dark skins are the most hospitable on an individual level. If you want somewhere to live, it’s white people. If you want someone to invite you into their home and feed you then it’s third world browns. This is my opinion. Asians rate poorly for both in general unless you go rural.
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Especially the Anglos have much lower levels of in group preference than almost any other society.
For example in Australia its normal to see a Chinese waitress working at a cafe owned by a white Australian but in Australia I have never ever seen a white girl working as a waitress at a Chinese restaurant owned by Chinese people.
And this lack of in group preference even extends beyond the race thing and goes into relationships, etc. For example in Australia or U.S.A. a white business owner might post a job on a job board and hire a random stranger whereas an Indian business owner will automatically give that job to his cousins girlfriend even though she is not suited for the job.
The behavior goes well beyond the job market and extends into many other arenas.
May be an idea to study up in advance -
Japanese vocabulary and phrases for love and dating
The phrases and vocabulary you need to understand dating in Japanese
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Great post. There are a lot of cultural and subcultural (family is a good example as you point out) differences that happen naturally as one ages. That's why I find the forum to be mostly about sex and its firstfuits (family, life after kids) since that's what the point of being raised is, but it's been thrown away, or majorly stunted, in the west due to feminism and other propaganda.
Yes, the issue with older ages is also energy and responsibility. That's why you can get away with things or make things happen at younger ages (10-20) in ways you can't when you're older, esp if you're an outsider. For example, you can afford to be immersed into a culture and learn a language in your teens, and it's actually not a waste of time. Ask all the guys around here the ROI on that kind of thing if you aren't in the perfect country, which is already hard enough being in.
My conclusion even from a few years ago, in which I realized that for a woman or wife, one must go abroad (most are aware around here) is based on the extraordinarily small number of women that are attractive, and perhaps better said, that I find attractive in the west (for marriage purposes). That's not the case for everyone and each has to assess if it's "worth it." It does bring up a really important point that everyone who is mid to late 30s even recognizes as time passes by, and once you turn 40 you'll see even more: you have to go to places where the women really do need you, or your optionality is a crazy increase in value now or in the future vs a local. Otherwise you're just spending lots of time and energy in another version of the western "dating game". People don't like this because it's more clear that the "transaction" then has much more to do with the material, but my counter to that would be, that's why you left the west in the first place (that has taken over) and you don't get any of the other benefits of women there. I post a lot on this topic but will be honest that my assessment of how easy it is to get to such a place or realistic isn't negative at this point, but it has gone down from 3-5 years ago. Something about it has to be fairly "easy" as a tradeoff for you making the trip to "Uzbekistan" and all the other difficulties associated with it. I think that's why ultimately most opt for just the simpler, crude make money in the first and fuck in the third, that was commonly said back in the day, and not promoted, but was more common that anyone ever let on to.
This is just a wealth and recency bias. And if you argue that the asians are wealthy, or somewhat wealthy, they are still nationally second fiddle and have been defeated by the other groups, thus maintaining the identity. Europeans by and large are the most currently propagandized group in a way that takes advantage of their characteristics, but even that couldn't happen without massive wealth differences that have taken place in just 100 years time.
For me personally, leaving Japan was one of the hardest decisions I ever had to make. My life was incredibly comfortable there. I worked at a University and got six month paid vacation a year. The work wasn't even that hard. Yes, I could travel all over Asia and gain experience. But the big thing I learnt was actually what someone else told me and it took me a long time to get my head around - there is a difference between experiential growth and personal growth. Just doing a lot of stuff and seeing a lot of things and even banging various women - it doesn't fundamentally change you. The only way to actually grow is to engage with some sort of conflict or challenge. Japan is possibly the worst place in the entire world to do this because you will be put in the foreigner box. And you won't be allowed out of it. And the placement isn't done out of malice. It's just what they do actually out of kindness and in the hope to accommodate you. But it gets tiring being treated like a puppy rather than a human being.
There is a certain type of delusional gaijin who does not notice this or mind or even fully embraces it out of narcissism (common throughout Asia) but such a persona still in my view freezes at whatever stage of personal development they were in prior to coming to Japan.
It's an excellent place to study and acquire skills but not to grow as a person. I would say unless you want to be Peter Pan and stuck in a certain phase of development you absolutely have to leave. I wouldn't want to be married with kids to a J woman. The prospect of such a chasm created by the different communication styles is haunting to me. Have fun talking AT someone I guess. But it's still a better deal than a UK fatty.
My life since Japan was harder in basically every way but all those challenges had value to them. That's my own personal story. Now I'm glad to be out but I would like to visit as a tourist. It's a good place to vacation or maybe spend a few months but not to settle down.
There is a certain type of delusional gaijin who does not notice this or mind or even fully embraces it out of narcissism (common throughout Asia) but such a persona still in my view freezes at whatever stage of personal development they were in prior to coming to Japan.
It's an excellent place to study and acquire skills but not to grow as a person. I would say unless you want to be Peter Pan and stuck in a certain phase of development you absolutely have to leave. I wouldn't want to be married with kids to a J woman. The prospect of such a chasm created by the different communication styles is haunting to me. Have fun talking AT someone I guess. But it's still a better deal than a UK fatty.
My life since Japan was harder in basically every way but all those challenges had value to them. That's my own personal story. Now I'm glad to be out but I would like to visit as a tourist. It's a good place to vacation or maybe spend a few months but not to settle down.
Good post. Sadly, this is what most of the forum comes down to. Life without kids and a legacy is the hardest sell, though deep down I think we all know it's mostly vanity, since we're all dead in the long run and the point of this life is the next.