The J. D. Vance Thread


More from Vance at the TPUSA event. He comes off very well. Very few public figures, much less national politicians, combine genuine Christian faith with this degree of intelligence and eloquence.

I like Vance on a personal level. He seems like a genuinely nice guy, someone I could imagine hanging out with. But I'm wary of his sudden rise to power - first public office he held was a senate seat (one of the highest offices in the country) and he was tapped VP in the middle of his first term. That's sus. He didn't rise that fast on his own and there are people (like Thiel) he's beholden to.
 
I like Vance on a personal level. He seems like a genuinely nice guy, someone I could imagine hanging out with. But I'm wary of his sudden rise to power - first public office he held was a senate seat (one of the highest offices in the country) and he was tapped VP in the middle of his first term. That's sus. He didn't rise that fast on his own and there are people (like Thiel) he's beholden to.
His rise was super sonic. I read Hillbilly Elegy, and he just suddenly took off in life. He was a messed up lower class kid from a broken family in hillbilly culture, and went as an enlisted man into the USMC after high school. He must have had some talent and appeal, because they put him in public relations, and by the end of his tour they had him running some kind of public relations office that would normally be held by an officer.

Then he went to Ohio State, and was still figuring things out. Getting into debt, struggling to manage his schedule and living arrangements, typical mid 20s college student. After graduating Ohio State, he threw a Hail Mary and got admitted to Yale Law, and suddenly he was being groomed to be an elite. He went from hillbilly screwup to Yale Law on the elite development track in 6-8 years. When he first got to Yale, he still found himself wanting to brawl with anyone who dissed him, as is necessary in hillbilly culture. He had to learn how to behave in that setting.

It was during this period that he met and married Usha. He says in the book that his initial way of dealing with her included some behaviors that he was used to from his dysfunctional upbringing, and that he had to learn a whole different mode of behavior.

He points out that he was frequently in the company of the top elite at Yale. For example, they would have the US Attorney General stop by to do a seminar, and many of the professors were famous in their own right. He was encouraged to write his book by one of his Yale professors, Amy Chou, who is famous herself for writing Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother. It was a whole different world for him, and it was the environment that enabled him to rise to the top.

After he wrote the book, it was a huge sensation, and I think that's when Thiel picked him up. They put him in charge of a Midwest focused venture capital fund. He funded some kind of project that lost an incredible amount of money, like $300 million! He also invested in Rumble. After a few years of this kind of venture capital work, he also got involved in politics and ran for the Senate. The rest is history.

I'm sure I would like him personally, and would like to have the opportunity to talk to him. Like you, I'm a little concerned that he must have had to take the ticket to have risen so far, so fast. However, I think he probably has a natural talent and charisma that people liked, and they liked his back story too, and wanted to use a guy like that. He seems to be able to push issues that matter to him based on his background, and the existing elite seems to think it's a great idea to push him to the fore.

I hope he truly is one of the good guys, but I recognize that power corrupts, and that anyone at the top has likely had to make some ugly compromises. We should pray for him.
 
Don Trump Jr was a big fan of the Hillbilly Elegy book. I read that he was the main factor in convincing Trump Sr. to eventually pick Vance for VP even though there was some misgivings that he was too green as the time. I would say that would be the primary reason for his quick rise in politics.
 
I like Vance on a personal level. He seems like a genuinely nice guy, someone I could imagine hanging out with. But I'm wary of his sudden rise to power - first public office he held was a senate seat (one of the highest offices in the country) and he was tapped VP in the middle of his first term. That's sus. He didn't rise that fast on his own and there are people (like Thiel) he's beholden to.
I'm aware of the Peter Thiel connection, but I think people read a lot more into it than is actually there. It's not as if Peter Thiel "owns" Vance and is operating him like a puppeteer, it's more like Peter Thiel recognized early on that Vance had a lot of potential and "invested" in him. That is how a serial entrepreneur/venture capitalist like Thiel thinks. He probably "invested" similarly in the careers of dozens of such promising young people, but most didn't pan out. Vance did - and now Thiel has a personal relationship with the sitting Vice President and possible future President of the United States. That's a valuable thing for Thiel, but it doesn't imply that Vance is going to do whatever he wants. This is simply the nature of political and social hierarchies and human relationships, and how power, money, and influence intersect.
He points out that he was frequently in the company of the top elite at Yale. For example, they would have the US Attorney General stop by to do a seminar, and many of the professors were famous in their own right. He was encouraged to write his book by one of his Yale professors, Amy Chou, who is famous herself for writing Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother. It was a whole different world for him, and it was the environment that enabled him to rise to the top.
It's worth noting that Vance - as a straight white male from Appalachia without legacy connections - not only received zero affirmative action into the Ivy League, but probably stood out like a sore thumb there. He was admitted purely on merit, which (as we obviously see now) means he is a tremendously intelligent guy. I'm sure his peers and teachers at Yale recognized this quite plainly, and realized (like Thiel later on) that this was a guy with great potential, and who was worth knowing/mentoring/accepting.
I'm sure I would like him personally, and would like to have the opportunity to talk to him. Like you, I'm a little concerned that he must have had to take the ticket to have risen so far, so fast. However, I think he probably has a natural talent and charisma that people liked, and they liked his back story too, and wanted to use a guy like that. He seems to be able to push issues that matter to him based on his background, and the existing elite seems to think it's a great idea to push him to the fore.
Vance's rise was certainly improbable, but these things happen from time to time in American politics (and more frequently than you'd imagine - within our lifetimes Barack Obama and Bill Clinton enjoyed similarly meteoric rises from relative obscurity). It is the nature of our political system that talented outsiders like Vance, Obama and Clinton are identified by moneyed interests and fast-tracked into national office. Politicians are sort of like athletes in this regard - much of the talent/ability they possess is innate, and cannot be learned. You either have it or you don't, and the blessed few who have it in spades are the ones who rise through the political hierarchy very quickly. But just because a guy is pushed ahead quickly doesn't necessarily mean that he's compromised and/or beholden to evil, shadowy interests. It just means that when he wields power he's going to look favorably on whatever faction or benefactors helped him along the way. This is how things have always worked in the United States. Despite being somewhat beholden (and presumably loyal to a degree) to Peter Thiel and others, Vance seems very much his own man, and a man closely aligned with the thinking and religious beliefs shared by most of us here. He isn't perfect, but who is? And what politician of any prominence is any better?
 
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