The Israel-Hamas War Lounge

[PurpleUrkel]

... as if nothing has happened.

Nothing has happened. You read too much second hand information. I take it you're not on the ground in Gaza so you know nothing (like the rest of us). The fighting has never stopped in this lifetime yet there has been proclamation after proclamation of peace being achieved between the israelis and Palestinians. It's all fake. The war will never end until one side is genocided from the face of the Earth. They hate each other, and there is no end to that hate.

The deal is a massive win for DJT.

False. DJT is an 80 year old zionist who doesn't have the IQ to win at anything. He is a puppet and everything is being "done" for him. He is a cog in a machine, not (((The Machine))). He has no real power. He is a reality TV personality. You've been had.

 

[analyst_green]

This plan was in the making for quite some time and is yet another instance of Trump imposing a US centric agreement on Israel. Happened before in Syria, Lebanon and Iran, never mind the Yemen Ansarallah- Trump deal Bibi wasn't made aware of, nor mind the recent Qatar- US security deal, which had all alarmbells ringing in Tel Aviv. The above obviously flies in the face of all the grotesque nonsense that has been spewn here and elsewhere by a number of bad faith actors, but is a clear reality nevertheless.

The buckos are in disarray and seem to be laying low but will soon re-emerge nevertheless, guaranteed. Only difference: this time with yet another L under the belt. Their meme understanding of the world is unshakeable, intellectually lazy bums who are wary of any actual research and instead prefer to live off memeslop and clickbait garbage from obviously foreign funded disinformation channels. Never ever will yet another slap in the face be interpreted as a call to do better and drop the cartoonesque one ply thinking model, hive minded simpletons as they are they prefer to dig their heels down and just call anyone dunking on them 'ZOG!', or 'CIA!'. Those terms, in bucko territory at least, carry the same meaning as 'racist!' does in Lefty circles and is both and dogwhistle and attempt at character assassination. I do not rule out that at least some of the chuds are currently shouting at a half-shattered attic mirror how 'da ceasefire is fAkE!!1!', guaranteed they will make a comeback soon shamelessly spouting the exact same myopic low-info sloptakes and as if nothing has happened. Straight up psychosis vibes.

Meanwhile the 2025 Agreement is the best thing that could have happened for the Trump Administration and the US as a whole. It's much more than just a vanity and status project, the agreement cements a US move into Gaza. It is also a strategic move to undermine the BRI, and ensure USD dominance in (energy) trade routes to Europe. The budding China-Israel friendship especially was a big issue, the Chinese had envisioned Israeli ports to be (one of) their gateways into Europe and from thereon pull the latter into that alternative yuan-based monetary structure, or any non-dollar Eurasian bloc structure instead.

China is not part of the deal and announced their rare earth ban 24 hours after the deal. Think that counts as a BIG MAD. Guarantors of the deal are Egypt, Qatar, Turkey, and the US. All of them carry great weight and have had an extra leverage added in keeping energy trade dollar dominated, and maintaining US dominance over the Suez Canal. The deal is a massive win for DJT.

A lot of people are saying Netanyahu has something on Trump, through Epstein or otherwise, to blackmail him or otherwise bring him down. I'd say that's probably true.

But Trump is no idiot and I'm sure he's been planning counter measures for a long time. I'd also venture to guess Trump has something on Netanyahu that could topple him at any moment. Not that it would take very much given what's come out. In a situation like this, where both parties have leverage over each other, neither party truly has leverage. So the question is who can outmaneuver the other.

 

[LaAguilaNegra]

https://www.axios.com/2025/10/09/gaza-deal-israeli-cabinet-approves

Ceasefire rarified by Israeli cabinet

Big props for keeping us up to date on the events and happenings in Gaza and beyond. The usual suspects, who for two long years didn't have any qualms to share the most outlandish and retarded clickbait turdworldist nonsense and were aggressively tonepolicing anyone that didn't participate in the ideological circlewank, are missing. Totally did not see that coming bytheway, and it's never happened before either. Therefore thank you, again, for stepping up and stepping in. If it hadn't been for you one might have still had the idea that, you know, Israel was decisively losing in Gaza and in general on its last legs or whatever.

From the start yours truly told y'all how this would end. And it ended exactly like that, barring a few yet to be decided details. Hamas was never going to have a role in Gaza's future post October 7. Once Hamas' initial push failed and the Arab states made it clear they'd sit this out/ side with Israel that option just wasn't feasible anymore. Hamas' 'Flood of al Aqsa' + the calculated Israeli reprisals were meant to set in motion a domino effect, create overall chaos, revigorate pro Palestine attitudes amongst Arab leadership, and in general magnify perceptions of Israeli weakness+ barbarism. After which the Arab world, most notably Saudi Arabia, would have felt the moral obligation+ domestic pressure to abandon any budding initiatives with the Israelis and instead move back to Islamic solidarity, Pan-Arabism and pro-Palestina positions.

None of that happened of course, because Arabs are divided and not high on morality anyway. Current Gaza treatment is par for the course in the Middle East, intentionally targeting civilians is common playbook work over there. Barring a few long dead Baathists the Arabs never really gave a shit about Palestinians anyway, if you are willing to look beyond rhetorics at least. Post 1970s it is not too much of a stretch to say that 'Palestine' has become a burden for both ordinary Arabs and Arab leaders, and they prefer to pretend it doesn't exist.

Hilariously enough in the wake of October 7 only Tehran was somewhat prepared to step up through its proxies. The Iranians are, and this is common knowledge, the most hated entity in the Middle East and the but of many jokes, theories and actual attacks. We know how the limited Iranian interference ended, the Axis of Resistance was dismantled with the ease of changing a car tire, Hamas ditched Tehran as soon as it saw a feasible opportunity and as a cherry on the cake the ayatollahs also had their nuclear program trashed. Yet another example of that Shia Battle of Karbala inspired sado masochism. Not exactly great longterm thinking on the part of Sinwar and Deif!