The Hot-Holy Matrix

[Unending Powerhouse Match]

You contradict this within 2 and 3 sentences after. Good women that behave badly? lol

I think what he means is that some women have decent, very feminine dispositions at their core and they're very pleasant to interact with, but they are totally lost in life and just clumsily go with the flow of what the society teaches them.

I've met women like that, where I felt that they lacked the profound glee that most women have about their bad behavior, and genuinely just did not know better, and could maybe, just maybe, be turned into good wives if the right man was enough of a sucker to go "I can fix her".

 

[PurpleUrkel]

Good women that behave badly? lol

Sure. They're like children. They behave badly but that doesn't make them bad people.

I think what he means is that some women have decent, very feminine dispositions at their core and they're very pleasant to interact with, but they are totally lost in life and just clumsily go with the flow of what the society teaches them.

Yes. But I see Blade Runner's perspective too. My last girl was great in so many ways, but ultimately I could not break through her status seeking, career driven conditioning. She had a particularly anti-Christian, pro-feminist, rebellious spirit that ultimately I could not overcome. However, I'm partly to blame for this as I just didn't have the right frame game to keep her in line. A man with tighter game could have (and probably has) turned her into a good wife.

 

[Unending Powerhouse Match]

Yes. But I see Blade Runner's perspective too. My last girl was great in so many ways, but ultimately I could not break through her status seeking, career driven conditioning. She had a particularly anti-Christian, pro-feminist, rebellious spirit that ultimately I could not overcome. However, I'm partly to blame for this as I just didn't have the right frame game to keep her in line. A man with tighter game could have (and probably has) turned her into a good wife.

What exactly do you mean when you say that your game was not tight enough? What do you think it would take to change such a woman?

Honestly with women like that, I'm doubtful that any amount of game would help. You can change a lot of things about a woman, but that kind of spirit is just rooted very deeply in their souls, and it's a pride thing where they will have a very strong emotional response if it's challenged in any way by anyone. I think you could be Brad Pitt and that spirit would still not budge.

 

[PurpleUrkel]

What exactly do you mean when you say that your game was not tight enough?

This was a 5 year ordeal. The first year I was strong and confident in myself and the relationship, but as time marched on I just grew weak and angry at her for not moving to the woods with me and starting a family (something we had agreed upon during year one). I just didn't lead enough and talked too much about politics and my personal emotional struggles and financial "situation." I also did a lot of complaining about the world and the people in it. I should have kept my mouth shut. Just weak beta/gamma type behavior. In addition, I follwed her and her high paying job around the country. I should never have done that. I should have said, "This is where we're living... take it or leave it."

What do you think it would take to change such a woman?

For this particular girl I don't think "changing" her was necessary (or possible) but with a stronger, calmer, more masculine frame she could have been led to behave differently (give up her career, start cooking and cleaning more, having kids, going to church, etc.). This was a very good, feminine girl (minus her masculine career focus). Great family upbringing, no tats, didn't drink, worked out, ate healthy, etc. I think she would have responded to my directions and requests more had I been less emotional and had a bit more money (which, ironically, I now have because I'm not in a relationship and spend 100% of my time making money instead of spending it).

 

[FrancisK]

This was a 5 year ordeal. The first year I was strong and confident in myself and the relationship, but as time marched on I just grew weak and angry at her for not moving to the woods with me and starting a family (something we had agreed upon during year one). I just didn't lead enough and talked too much about politics and my personal emotional struggles and financial "situation." I also did a lot of complaining about the world and the people in it. I should have kept my mouth shut. Just weak beta/gamma type behavior. In addition, I follwed her and her high paying job around the country. I should never have done that. I should have said, "This is where we're living... take it or leave it."

For this particular girl I don't think "changing" her was necessary (or possible) but with a stronger, calmer, more masculine frame she could have been led to behave differently (give up her career, start cooking and cleaning more, having kids, going to church, etc.). This was a very good, feminine girl (minus her masculine career focus). Great family upbringing, no tats, didn't drink, worked out, ate healthy, etc. I think she would have responded to my directions and requests more had I been less emotional and had a bit more money (which, ironically, I now have because I'm not in a relationship and spend 100% of my time making money instead of spending it).

You learned brother, she wasn't the one for you and you're a better man now for the experience.

 

[Australia Sucks]

I think she would have responded to my directions and requests more had I been less emotional and had a bit more money (which, ironically, I now have because I'm not in a relationship and spend 100% of my time making money instead of spending it).

So you just validated my point that its important for a man to be financially in a strong position before looking for a girlfriend/wife?

 

[RedLagoon]

This was a 5 year ordeal. The first year I was strong and confident in myself and the relationship, but as time marched on I just grew weak and angry at her for not moving to the woods with me and starting a family (something we had agreed upon during year one). I just didn't lead enough and talked too much about politics and my personal emotional struggles and financial "situation." I also did a lot of complaining about the world and the people in it. I should have kept my mouth shut. Just weak beta/gamma type behavior. In addition, I follwed her and her high paying job around the country. I should never have done that. I should have said, "This is where we're living... take it or leave it."

For this particular girl I don't think "changing" her was necessary (or possible) but with a stronger, calmer, more masculine frame she could have been led to behave differently (give up her career, start cooking and cleaning more, having kids, going to church, etc.). This was a very good, feminine girl (minus her masculine career focus). Great family upbringing, no tats, didn't drink, worked out, ate healthy, etc. I think she would have responded to my directions and requests more had I been less emotional and had a bit more money (which, ironically, I now have because I'm not in a relationship and spend 100% of my time making money instead of spending it).

Good for you owning up to your mistakes brother, life ain't simple and you're still around so who knows what the future holds for you.

 

[Blade Runner]

What exactly do you mean when you say that your game was not tight enough? What do you think it would take to change such a woman?

While we can always get better or do things better, the danger with this is that if things go wrong or south, it's always the man's fault.

Urkel and I agree in general that like children, there is minimal agency with women, and the way both act is mostly dependent on the culture. I think he understood my point though, that in the end, it's hard to say any human being that acts badly is good. On what else would we base an analysis on them? If it's all what anyone could do, we're all "good". But we aren't.