The history taught in schools is fiction

We agree here.

When I write "history is fake" it means that it's a largely shaped narrative which is there to make us believe something.

History brings fears. E.g. fears for evil muslims and arabs after 9/11, I travelled to Iran, Algeria, Egypt and many others and it's all fine, more of less just people like you and me. Especially modern history, WW2 and beyond i think is deeply corrupted.

I'm of the opinion that "history" in school is clouded with lies. We think we study "history", but the learn propaganda.

I agree that real history can be beneficial and that it's important to discern. But in the current state of schooling, it's a grand deception. Kids are asked to read and repeat, not to discern.

For example history teaching in Germany post WW2 has been complete mind control; Pure propaganda to shape a new German man.

And I think it's not much better in the US.


Nothing, I think the awareness of lies vs reality is beneficial.


I don't agree it's hopeless. I just say the state is not a good educator. Not on the physical reality as in the spiritual reality. Rather have faith in God, read the saints, read the bible and love your neighbor as yourself.

Yes, I believe this is the light.

I don't think this is black pill. It might feel at first. I believe it's a liberation from the narratives they spew over us that have no reflection in our daily lives.

I say the opposite. No need to worry about Ukraine, Israel, nukes, as it is mostly a web of lies. Rather focus on God.

It's to say: Turn away from the world of lies, as the answer isn't there. And we all have so much evidence of this deception that I feel many have a form of Stockholm complex here.

I see many straw man reactions "ah you say everything is a lie". Well I don't say that. I say it's fiction. History is meant to make you feel something. It's propaganda. I'm sure many factual elements are true.

But when they tell us on the dark middle ages. Wasn't there Thomas Aquinas and many other great saints? Great thinkers? Builders? Were those really dark ages?

Did we really "enlight" in the enlightenment? Is this equality so great?

Did the evil Nazis really gas 6 million? Is it so clear that the Germans were the bad guys and the Americans the good sweet liberators?

I'm now reading Chrysostom, Abba Poemen did you learn about them in history class? Or did we learn Nietzsche?

I think modern society is deeply spiritual sick, but we live in the most amazing time as we can access the wisdom of the past, we talk to Chrysostom, to Aquinas, we can see with our own eyes and think ourselves.

I'm actually quite surprised to get quite some pushback on my statement, that history is fiction. I don't think the state deceivers need more support.
I agree with you to a degree, but I would say it differently. A fictional history is being pushed by the current system.

However, a real history does exist, and much of it is known and has been discussed here already. So called dark ages that really were a productive time in human history. The real factors behind WWI, WWII, the Cold War, and the more recent Middle East wars and Ukraine. The real facts behind Covid and the 2020 US election.

My first reaction when I saw the title of this thread is that you don't think a real history exists. The events of the past are so distorted by lies that they are unknowable. Now I believe you are only saying the history we are being fed is fake. This is true. I do think a great deal of the true history is available to those willing to find it.
 
What insights relevant to my own spiritual or secular life could I possibly get from, like, reading a secular history book about the Roman Empire or WWII, that I cannot possibly get from a Bible or Philokalia or Synaxarion or all the books out there written by Saints and/or their disciples? That and just listening to older men about things and paying attention to life and the things around me.

I mean why not both? Studying Church history & the Fathers is a great way to develop that exact discernment that will allow you to gain benefits from studying secular history (wisdom, increased ability to understand and interact with the world, to foresee how geopolitical events will develop). Unless you're pursuing the monastic path we are still living in the world and we would do well to perceive accurately the events of the past, present and future. Not to mention that we can then go on to teach the next generation the understanding we have gathered of true history to combat fake history.
 
I agree with you to a degree, but I would say it differently. A fictional history is being pushed by the current system.

However, a real history does exist, and much of it is known and has been discussed here already. So called dark ages that really were a productive time in human history. The real factors behind WWI, WWII, the Cold War, and the more recent Middle East wars and Ukraine. The real facts behind Covid and the 2020 US election.

My first reaction when I saw the title of this thread is that you don't think a real history exists. The events of the past are so distorted by lies that they are unknowable. Now I believe you are only saying the history we are being fed is fake. This is true. I do think a great deal of the true history is available to those willing to find it.
Well said.

I believe indeed it's knowable, though it's so distorted by lies, that we need to rely more on our own eyes, look in real life, speak to people, visit places, see if it makes sense. I visited some concentration camps for that reason, went to Chernobyl for that reason, visited muslim countries.

And yes there is a true history, and I think it will liberate us to a certain extent. In my opinion though most people don't like the truth. Many of us learned that with Covid. I told many around me there was no disease, and most around me took the vax, and in public life people kept telling me to mask up. The power of propaganda is real.

I though think by far it's not so grandiose as they tell us, space travel, moon landings, it's grandiose but in a different way.

So yes,
the history we are being fed is fake.
 
There's this really interesting episode from the NotRelated podcast that talks about this and more broadly about the lies we're told about history. Not sure if you've heard of this podcast, it's from a very well-read Orthodox Christian called Luke Smith who has a PHD in linguistics and very interesting opinions on a lot of things.

Myth as History: Rohl's New Chronology

I don't think he had converted to Orthodoxy yet when he made this episode, to be clear. The guy has now, like Roosh, seemingly gone off the grid (he rightfully hated the internet), but he produced a treasure trove of very edifying content which you can still go through.
Oh I think I linked the wrong episode here. Anyway, it's a good podcast, consider giving it a listen hahaha
 
Studying modern history from the 19th century onwards poses some challenges, but reading about ancient and medieval history is rewarding and edifying. The story of the rise and fall of empires and the lives of great men and women should be read and studied again and again. It's sad to me that American public schools make history so dull and irrelevant that students choose to remain so ignorant when history used to be understood as the way to wisdom and virtue. If that's not the purpose of studying history then it is a lot of dry empty knowledge.
 
I say the opposite. No need to worry about Ukraine, Israel, nukes, as it is mostly a web of lies. Rather focus on God.

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I'm actually quite surprised to get quite some pushback on my statement, that history is fiction. I don't think the state deceivers need more support.
I thought you were very concerned with proving nukes are fake, whether satellites are fake based on what I saw you write on the old forum, but now you are saying not to worry about any of it?

As for the pushback you are getting, it's for the same reason flat earth discussion wasn't allowed on the old forums. 911 had written about how flat earth is used to poison the well for other "conspiracy theory" topics by causing people to associate these topics with something as disreputable and out of the bounds of reality Same thing with lizard people and such. Right now it seems like we're getting closer and closer to making a breakthrough with previously unmentionable topics such as Israel influence on US government being mainstreamed and placed within the overton window. A great way to completely destroy all this progress towards getting normies red-pilled is to get them to associate these topics with things such as flat earth and similar ideas.
 
You mean the Jewish media is going to lie about recent events to push their Jewish ideologies? This isn't new to anyone who has even turned on CNN in the past 3 years. Pointless thread.
 
I thought you were very concerned with proving nukes are fake, whether satellites are fake based on what I saw you write on the old forum, but now you are saying not to worry about any of it?
I do.

I believe you misunderstand my words. I mean to say, if you let of go of these modern lies, you don't need to worry about a nuke falling on your head (as they don't exist), you don't need to worry about Chinese satellites photographing you (as they don't exist), you don't need to worry about the Gaza/Israel war (as it's mostly theater), you don't need to worry about detonating arabs (as it's mostly propaganda).

Lies are there to keep you in fear.

As for the pushback you are getting, it's for the same reason flat earth discussion wasn't allowed on the old forums.
In my opinion flat earth is "Alex Jones" territory; state allowed conspiracies, same like pedophilia rings, Q-anon, space lasers, hypertechnology used by the Aztecs. They love people to have these "conspiracies" to believe in this alternative cultish reading of history. It's just replacing one fear for the other.

It's the false left - right dichotomy. You either swallow all the government narratives, like you seem to do, OR you are following Alex Jones.
911 had written about how flat earth is used to poison the well for other "conspiracy theory" topics by causing people to associate these topics with something as disreputable and out of the bounds of reality Same thing with lizard people and such.
Exactly.
Right now it seems like we're getting closer and closer to making a breakthrough with previously unmentionable topics such as Israel influence on US government being mainstreamed and placed within the overton window.
Brother all you see is what they want you to see. Nothing is changing. Israel / Gaza is part of the show. As it has ben for the last 50 years.

A great way to completely destroy all this progress towards getting normies red-pilled is to get them to associate these topics with things such as flat earth and similar ideas.
I think you are poisoning the well here.. why you do so? As I nowhere say you should believe in lizard people, flat earth and space lasers.

I think question is not IF the state lies, but HOW FAR the lies go.

I personally think moon landings are fake, space travel is fake, I think India didn't go to the moon, I think we have never been in "space", I think we are bound to the earth. As I don't think the state has bombs that make one gram of uranium blows up as 17000kg of TNT.

I think you say that you don't think the state would lie to us about these 2 topics, I think they do.

But this thread is not even about these 2 specific points, as they seem to be a red flag for you.

Do you think covid was real? The BLM riots were natural? That "Adolf Hitler" was the evilest man in the world ever?

History = Propaganda

And we can differ on the depth of the propaganda, with arguments please, I would say proof me different on nukes and satellites. Willing to change my mind, if you come with good arguments (Opened this one for nukes yesterday)
 
In my opinion flat earth is "Alex Jones" territory; state allowed conspiracies, same like pedophilia rings, Q-anon, space lasers, hypertechnology used by the Aztecs. They love people to have these "conspiracies" to believe in this alternative cultish reading of history. It's just replacing one fear for the other.

It's the false left - right dichotomy. You either swallow all the government narratives, like you seem to do, OR you are following Alex Jones.

I think you are poisoning the well here.. why you do so? As I nowhere say you should believe in lizard people, flat earth and space lasers.

I think question is not IF the state lies, but HOW FAR the lies go.

I personally think moon landings are fake, space travel is fake, I think India didn't go to the moon, I think we have never been in "space", I think we are bound to the earth. As I don't think the state has bombs that make one gram of uranium blows up as 17000kg of TNT.

This is the sort of thinking I'm warning against - because the state/government/elites have lied about a lot of things this means everything is a lie and if you point out that certain things aren't lies then you must therefore believe in all the government narratives. ie. You think nukes are real therefore you must also believe in COVID lockdowns. Those two things are not logically connected.

As for the fear aspect, I don't think I've ever spent any amount of time worrying about satellites and I doubt anyone else here has either. I didn't even know that there were actual people was theorizing about satellites not being real in the same way people will say the moon landing was fake or that 9/11 was a setup until I saw you start talking about it on the old forum.

Just so I can get an understanding of how you think, why do you think things like flat earth, space lasers, and pedo rings are fake "conspiracy theories" but satellites and nukes being fake are real ones? What differentiates between the allowed government conspiracies to keep the population in fear and the disallowed ones? To me all these conspiracies seem interchangeable in terms of being potentially usable to manipulate the public so the difference can't be that some conspiracy theories are useful for controlling the population while others aren't'. If anything, the pedo rings are more plausible since we have real life examples like Epstein and the like and also all the stories coming out of Hollywood about young people being sexually abused and controlled.
 
This is the sort of thinking I'm warning against - because the state/government/elites have lied about a lot of things this means everything is a lie and if you point out that certain things aren't lies then you must therefore believe in all the government narratives. ie. You think nukes are real therefore you must also believe in COVID lockdowns. Those two things are not logically connected.

As for the fear aspect, I don't think I've ever spent any amount of time worrying about satellites and I doubt anyone else here has either. I didn't even know that there were actual people was theorizing about satellites not being real in the same way people will say the moon landing was fake or that 9/11 was a setup until I saw you start talking about it on the old forum.

Just so I can get an understanding of how you think, why do you think things like flat earth, space lasers, and pedo rings are fake "conspiracy theories" but satellites and nukes being fake are real ones? What differentiates between the allowed government conspiracies to keep the population in fear and the disallowed ones? To me all these conspiracies seem interchangeable in terms of being potentially usable to manipulate the public so the difference can't be that some conspiracy theories are useful for controlling the population while others aren't'. If anything, the pedo rings are more plausible since we have real life examples like Epstein and the like and also all the stories coming out of Hollywood about young people being sexually abused and controlled.
Why one conspiracy theory and not another?
Its all to do with containment.
The elites and their intelligence agencies are past masters at giving the populace some kind of means to let off steam whilst blocking any public debate from stubbornly pushing for conclusions they would be uncomfortable with.

They use "Heat Traps" - we and our search for truth is the heat seeking missile, the Truth is the helicopter and the elites keep dispersing heat traps CLOSE to the helicopter and so when our search for truth turns up the "Khazarian Mafia" or "Bush and Rumsfeld were behind 9-11" or "the Mafia killed JFK" we think that we have hit the helicopter/truth.
We have only hit the heat-trap they laid in place for us.

Basically Cass Sunstein wrote a whole Federal Paper on this - saying that he would lace the info sphere with preposterous "truther" theories and, in so doing, poison the info-sphere.
Q was a good example, modelled on Operation Trust that successfully neutralised the Russians during the Bolshevik Revolution, which meant that many people I know STILL share Q drops about everybody being locked up in Guantanamo Bay and the Military are in control.
Judy Wood and her Direct Energy Weapons, Ryan Dawson claiming that "most of the official version of 9-11 was actually legit", Tommy Robinson leading the British Right up the garden path.
I have conversations with people and I think, ah this person gets it - and then the next second they're talking about ((((Socialism))) being the root cause and the real problem in the world, or how we live under the "Dome" under the surveillance of various Aliens, or somehow Trump or Nigel Farage is going to save us... and I realise they have no clue - BUT the ideas they have about what is wrong - peso elites, imposition of Bio-Leninist nonsense etc. is not a million miles off - but it is off by just enough to make their naive theories and Fed managed echo chambers harmless.

They have to control both sides. Thats how they operate and that's what the Freemason chessboard symbolism is about.
Georgia Meloni is ging to save us! Operation Trust is going to save us! Q! Donald Trump! Tucker should run for President!
They control both wings and so safely guide the plane/bird to the destination they want.

I don't agree with Paternos on a lot of his theories But - the fact that TPTB can have us believing in fictions as almost articles of religious faith IS their real power over us.
Tell a lot of people that 9-11 was an inside job and 40% will scoff, tell the remaining 60% that it was Israel and the jews enacting a 50 year plan and they will get very resistant. It was Evil 'white man' Father Figure George Bush and his henchmen.
Tell people that the US Govt killed JFK and a good percentage of people will agree, tell them that it was World Jewry and Israel, the same as 9-11, and the same (effectively prior to Israel's founding) with the Titanic and the First and Second World Wars, unnceccesary wars, and they will look at you funny.
Jewish power and Jewish control is hidden from the vast majority of the modern world who are all over anything that reminds them of an evil white man father figure - be it George W Bush, the CIA (generic), the Nazis, Hitler, Goebbels, Goering etc.and who are very wary of posters who point the finger squarely at the jews ------------- "its not the jews!" says truth-teller Alex Jones "its not the jews!" says 'banned" truther David "lizard people" Icke.

Again, having us believing in fictions as almost articles of religious faith IS their real power over us.
and the picture we are presented with is more or less an accurate one in terms of how petrol engines work, flight works, how orbiting globes interact,
but the belief in moon landings and *manned* space travel is more of a religious belief that we cling to than an actual fact.
The same with the Holocaust which most believe is one of the defining events of modern history Yet It Never Happened.
This is their power over us - this consensus trance of a cosmology we all believe in but which is, in fact, a spell that they have cast over us... just a 2 degree deviation, just a heat trap.

But as Papaya said in his post on the Pfizer vaccine.. "The metaphor that recurs to me is that of nudging a meteor or comet a .10 of a degree off course trajectory. Over the long haul that delta adds up to a huge deviation....billions of miles"
Its a few very salient facts about our world which are completely made up voodoo. And yet we all believe it to be so. The real world and our assumed world become two very different things.
Over time they create a huge Deviation from the truth - we all believe in Holocausts and Space Travel - and that is where their power over us lies.


And if we are in danger of uncovering the truth, then they throw us Judy Wood, DEW, Tartaria, Vernon Coleman, Alex Jones, David Icke, Tommy Robinson, Flat Earth, Q, Janet Osebaard, Critical Drinker, the Fall of the Cabal, Committee of 300 etc. for us to cherish and worship as our New Truths - and hey presto - we are back on their chessboard and our new found 'beliefs' are either enough of a deviation OR ... with beliefs in FE or lizard people for example.. they are then not only false, they have the added benefit of making inquiring truthers look utterly stupid.
 
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In the fundamental concept of truth tables in programming, if something is True AND False it is always FALSE.

So, in seeking Truth, you need find something that is only True.

There is only One person I can think of where this is found...
 
Some older and new story blocks that I consider fictional: systemic racism, nuclear bombs, terrorist airplanes collapsing towers, Pearl Harbor, evil sadistic Nazis, Chinamen shaving Uyghur hair for Russian wigs, Vietcong sitting in trees like monkeys, the “cold war,” the dust-covered kids in the rubble of Gaza buildings without wounds, the “new age,” “human rights,” the pot-bellied kids in Africa in the ’80s, climate change, sour rain, new Ice age, the Alex Jones nonsense factory, one cell organisms evoluting to man, the heroic dday landings, huge flying reptiles called dinosaurs and a lot more.

What does history have to do with the last 80 years of political events? I'm updating your thread to reflect your message and not be clickbait.
 
the fact that TPTB can have us believing in fictions as almost articles of religious faith IS their real power over us.
Again, having us believing in fictions as almost articles of religious faith IS their real power over us.
Over time they create a huge Deviation from the truth - we all believe in Holocausts and Space Travel - and that is where their power over us lies.
And if we are in danger of uncovering the truth, then they throw us Judy Wood, DEW, Tartaria, Vernon Coleman, Alex Jones, David Icke, Tommy Robinson, Flat Earth, Q, Janet Osebaard, Critical Drinker, the Fall of the Cabal, Committee of 300 etc. for us to cherish and worship as our New Truths - and hey presto - we are back on their chessboard and our new found 'beliefs' are either enough of a deviation OR ... with beliefs in FE or lizard people for example.. they are then not only false, they have the added benefit of making inquiring truthers look utterly stupid.
100% agree.

Maybe I'm wrong on some of my thoughts, but the pattern you describe here is 100% true.

We get a left wing position, right wing position and a conspiracy position. And they might even switch over. Hence it is impossible to pin point anything of truth.

They use "Heat Traps" - we and our search for truth is the heat seeking missile, the Truth is the helicopter and the elites keep dispersing heat traps CLOSE to the helicopter
Great analogy.

What does history have to do with the last 80 years of political events? I'm updating your thread to reflect your message and not be clickbait.
I meant it not to be just on the last 80 years. Maybe more accurate: History is fictional propaganda

History is what we are taught in school. History is the foundational overview for society and mans place in it. It's one of the fundamental elements that stick us together. Like 9/11 everyone in the world remembers that. It's a shared experience.

This is how you build a people.

I asked AI for the top 10 historic events:

  • June 28, 1914 - Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand: This event sparked the beginning of World War I.
  • October 29, 1929 - Black Tuesday: The stock market crash that led to the Great Depression.
  • September 1, 1939 - Start of World War II: Nazi Germany's invasion of Poland led Britain and France to declare war on Germany.
  • December 7, 1941 - Attack on Pearl Harbor: This surprise military strike by the Japanese Navy against the United States led to the U.S. entering World War II.
  • June 6, 1944 - D-Day: The Allied invasion of Normandy marked the turning point in World War II in Europe.
  • August 6 and 9, 1945 - Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki: These dates mark the only use of nuclear weapons in war to date.
  • October 4, 1957 - Launch of Sputnik: The Soviet Union launched the first artificial Earth satellite, marking the start of the space age and the U.S.-Soviet space race.
  • July 20, 1969 - Apollo 11 Moon Landing: Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin became the first humans to land on the Moon.
  • November 9, 1989 - Fall of the Berlin Wall: The fall of the wall symbolized the end of the Cold War and was a prelude to German reunification.
  • September 11, 2001 - Terrorist attacks on the United States: The destruction of the World Trade Center and other attacks by al-Qaeda prompted the U.S. to initiate the War on Terror, leading to wars in Afghanistan and Iraq
  • January 6, 2021 - The United States Capitol attack: A mob breached the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C., during a joint session of Congress to formalize the electoral victory of President-elect Joe Biden. This event marked a significant moment in U.S. history, as it was one of the rare instances the Capitol had been breached since the British attack during the War of 1812, and it led to widespread discussions about the state of American democracy and political polarization.

Literally all these events are clouded with lies if not staged events. Cold war, 9/11, 6/1, satellites, atomic bombs, pearl harbor, the financial manipulations and crashes. And not even calling the "Holocaust".

So, in seeking Truth, you need find something that is only True.

There is only One person I can think of where this is found...
I think that's my main point.

I encourage everyone to read St. Augustine's work "The city of God"

In "The City of God," Augustine urges Christians to be wary of the deceptions of the earthly city and to live in a way that reflects their citizenship in the City of God.

"Thus, two cities have been formed by two loves: the earthly by the love of self, even to the contempt of God; the heavenly by the love of God, even to the contempt of self. The former, in a word, glories in itself, the latter in the Lord."
What do we think we live in? The city of God? Or the city of man?
 
I'm of the opinion that "history" in school is clouded with lies. We think we study "history", but the learn propaganda.

I agree that real history can be beneficial and that it's important to discern. But in the current state of schooling, it's a grand deception. Kids are asked to read and repeat, not to discern.

For example history teaching in Germany post WW2 has been complete mind control; Pure propaganda to shape a new German man.

And I think it's not much better in the US.

Gotcha. Updated thread title again. This is to prevent people from arguing over nomenclature, i.e. "That's not what I really meant..."
 
The current "model" of history in schools is just to keep a perpetual serf class indentured to the jews. It is like this in America, Canada, All of Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa. It was not like this in Pre-Napoleonic Europe, NSDAP Germany, Rhodesia, and earlier South Africa.

The following are lies and do not matter for the future and existence of one's people:
-(((space race)))
-satellites
-dinosaurs
-earth models (ball vs flat) when we really do not know what it is
-nuclear weapons
-state-sanctioned studies of physics, biology, and chemistry (which ultimately lead to atheist distractions, trannies, and drug addiction)
-the elevation of the brown races into the accomplishments of the European/Mediterranean peoples, raise one up, lower the other, force an "equalization" to keep the bar always below the self-imposed master (jews)
-economics
-banning the study of phrenology, discouraging the study of correct genealogy, and censoring or shaming the public discussions of all things in racial realities
-dumbing-down what history they do teach, and making everyone ignorant of their lineages
-removing God from the schools, removing the Church from a child's education

Then yes we end up with multiple viewpoints on fictitious events, when we should instead all be focusing on revival, resurrection, and redemption of our own peoples exclusively. God does not want us to waste our time on any of this chaff. How is the Church to survive, or reunite at some point in the future, if there are obstacles keeping us divided amongst one another?

Things to think about. What action have you done today that has helped connect the mind of another to the truth? What is standing in your own way of seeing the more important truths? Do you want to help your own people, or are you content to live materially until your expiration from this plane? We only have to give an account for one soul after this brief time in the flesh, but I have come to the conclusion that it is a worthy pursuit in the name of God to expose lies, and find out the purpose of man, and then direct others back to that purpose to further the quest.
 
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