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Douglas Murray recently partook in an interview with Triggernometry that has been widely circulated. Douglas is well known for his books that have managed to dance the line of acceptability on the topic of replacement immigration. He has gone to lengths to posit that he's not racist. And the scorn he says such things, aimed at his detractors, and his general demeanour suggests that is true. His main issue is the number and the ideology of immigrants. He is however extremely critical of Islam and Muslims. Over the years he has commented relatively calmly on "the strange death of Europe". But now Jews feel unsafe in the UK due to pro-Palestine protests, he he gone nuclear and in essence says it's time for most Muslims to leave the UK, the West and Europe. In the same video he says Muslims need to leave the Levant, because they want Jews to leave.

Despite his ZioCon status, he's worth listening to from time to time, as he is very good at picking out pieces and noticing deep themes.In this video he notes that the argument of pro-Palestinians is that Palestinians are the natives and Jews the occupiers. Why not apply the same argument to the UK? When the native are the British and the occupiers are immigrants, primarily Muslims.



Invidious: https://invidious.fdn.fr/watch?v=DqzdnPjPhW0

I haven't done a deep dive into his background, but his first major position was with what is now the Henry Jackson Society, a neo-con/lib think tank named for a Zionist Democratic Senator. There is not much details of its funders, but they include -

  1. Lynn Forester de Rothschild, born a Christian but passed around a couple of Jews in matrimony, lastly Sir Evelyn de Rothschild; she was a friend of the late Jeff Epstein; globalist and Zionist
  2. Edward Atkin, Anglo-Zionist British businessman; some funding; probably Jewish with name change; photo
  3. Stanley Kalms, Jewish businessman
  4. Nina Rosenwald, rabid American Jewish Zionist
  5. UK government
  6. Goodman Family Supporting Foundation, merged into the Zionist jewishfed.org
The Henry Jackson Society believes in liberal expansionism, is anti-Russia, Zionnist and anti-Islam.

Bill Kristol is a patron of the Henry Jackson Society.

My take is Murray is a very intelligent useful idiot. Who knows what all these Zionists around him are up to. But it's clear that if you get involved with the liberal vs. conservative Jews war, you loose.
 
On wokeness, trannies, and anti-white media narratives I think he's great.

I actually own all his books (only one of them is excellent: Strange Death of Europe, though he leaves out a certain aspect. Madness of Crowds was an amusing piece of confirmation bias).

On Assange, Snowden, and Israel/Jews (and his absolute hatred of Palestinians) I get viscerally angry with him. Quite the conundrum.
 
On wokeness, trannies, and anti-white media narratives I think he's great.

I actually own all his books (only one of them is excellent: Strange Death of Europe, though he leaves out a certain aspect. Madness of Crowds was an amusing piece of confirmation bias).

On Assange, Snowden, and Israel/Jews (and his absolute hatred of Palestinians) I get viscerally angry with him. Quite the conundrum.
I agree. Strange Death of Europe was very good. He's also clearly partisan on the issue of Zionism but where his partisanship clouds his views of all things Jewish/Israeli, I find him quite circumspect on Islam and to that end he's been quite a commendable voice.

There's a bizarre passage in The Madness of Crowds where, unless my recall fails me, he makes a very earnest attempt to assign parity to female nature and the subjective experience of a homosexual being sodomised... It's quite something; one of the most tortuous and unintentionally funny passages I've ever read. It demonstrates how prone to delusion even very fine minds are when under the influence of habitual mortal sin.

He's also very entertaining to watch on 'talking-heads' shows where he drives home his point very well against often bewildered SJW or SJW-adjacent cry-babies.
 
Another pertinent thread Cynllo.

Murray is probably worth reading and listening to.

However I will not.

I don't like the idea of his views being slightly more palatable than my similar ones because he is gay, a libertarian Zionist who uses Jews as a shield so the (so-called) Left won't call him racist. Libertarian ZioCons will always stab nationalists in the back while demanding a Jewish nation state (Beware banker Farage).

It just reinforces the structure of the working white heterosexual man is at the bottom of the pyramid in his own nation and that sympathetic victim groups need to either replace him or speak for him.
 
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That kind of explains his positions on Israel.

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Dude was just on Rogan debating Israel/Gaza with another guy. Shilling for Israel. I didn’t like him.
All his politics/ideas emanate from his self-centered sick and twisted homosexual "brain." Like most addicts, in this case a sex addict, everything is about "me, me, me." He doesn't like muzzies because most of them would stone him to death given the chance, and he loves jews because they are pro-homo and they produce gay porn and custom butt plugs ("rabbi" Shmuley).
 
Douglas Murray has always been a Zionist shill, but after listening to this podcast it's impossible to conclude anything other than that he is wholly and completely owned by Jewish interests. He is an intellectual prostitute of the highest order, and he spent the entire three hour episode dissembling, straw-manning and otherwise arguing nonsensically in defense of the Judaic worldview. I am not exaggerating on that point. Basically the only topics covered were:

1) The WW2 narrative about Churchill good/Hitler evil and why this must never be questioned
2) The Israel/Gaza war and why Israel has the moral and legal right to genocide the Palestinian people
3) The Ukraine war and why the narrative of Ukraine/Zelensky good and Russia/Putin evil must never be questioned

His main argument in defense of these points was that, "Unless you are a recognized expert on these topics, you must never speak of them, nor should any non-experts ever be platformed on podcasts." He then repeatedly made the argument that anyone who has not visited Gaza or the frontlines of Ukraine is unqualified to hold opinions on those issues. He seemed completely oblivious to the fact that by making this argument - and touting his own bona fides in this regard as one who has made these foreign excursions - he completely discredits himself for the shill that he is, as only someone who is deeply in bed with the Israeli and Ukrainian governments would be afforded the protection to make such dangerous (and pointless) trips practical in the first place.

This appearance was clearly a desperate play by Jewish interests to stymie the recent redpilling Rogan's guests (primarily Daryl Cooper, Ian Carroll and Dave Smith) have been doing on the most popular podcast in the world. Unfortunately for them, the attempt seems to have blown up in their faces, as Murray came across very poorly to basically everyone who isn't already a devoted Zionist. He also seemed to have annoyed Joe pretty badly with his repeated strawman attacks on Daryl Cooper, who Joe obviously respects a great deal. I would be surprised to see Douglas Murray on Rogan again anytime soon after this debacle.
 
This appearance was clearly a desperate play by Jewish interests to stymie the recent redpilling Rogan's guests
What do you think the reason is why a sodomite Brit Zionist cares so much to defend and try to disseminate info? He gets paid? He's been visited by the powers that be? All of the above?
 
This appearance was clearly a desperate play by Jewish interests to stymie the recent redpilling Rogan's guests (primarily Daryl Cooper, Ian Carroll and Dave Smith) have been doing on the most popular podcast in the world. Unfortunately for them, the attempt seems to have blown up in their faces, as Murray came across very poorly to basically everyone who isn't already a devoted Zionist. He also seemed to have annoyed Joe pretty badly with his repeated strawman attacks on Daryl Cooper, who Joe obviously respects a great deal. I would be surprised to see Douglas Murray on Rogan again anytime soon after this debacle.

It seems to be in the same vein that Trump is viewed in comparison with the astroturf Dem Party.

Recent polling showed The Republican Party is now viewed as "speaking for the concerns of the people" as much as Dems. Something it's always been far from.

On top of that it's been observed that the Dems appear fake and will only do completely stage-managed friendly interviews. In comparison Trump is seen as someone who can do interviews like Joe Rogan and come across as a real person. Bill Maher just said, on the tails of his meeting with Trump, the same. That he felt like he could say anything to him and not be walking on egg shells.



As a fake pushback to this there is Gavin Newsom's new podcast, which I think is called This is Gavin. He is seemingly trying to reinvent himself as a real person, rather than the Anti-American Psycho. He seems to be saying he does not have views he recently had. As one example, a few months ago Gavin blew his top, saying he couldn't believe his own voters when they voted 66% in favour or recriminalising theft. This is the type of position he is now trying to walk back from. I believe his first guests were Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon. It's fake, but he's trying to lead them into a fake non-fake direction, at least. He gets the problem.

Jordan Peterson released a now deleted video:

In which he outlined how he'd made offers to Dem to go on his show, but they wouldn't come on and those who did show any interest wanted complete control.

Maybe we are now seeing the same for the fake utterly astroturf Zio movement, which is far more aggressive and duplicitous than the rotten Dems.

On that front, David Kurten of the Heritage Party in the UK revealed that he was offered huge funding from Israeli citizens if he became pro-Zio. And this is a party with zero seats of any kind. He's since been posting against Zio control. The British National Party leader Nick Griffin also said he got the same offer about 20 years ago, but refused it. The party was notably anti-Israel.

From what I'm seeing this Murray interview in a bit of a car crash. The Zio narrative is having serious problems, as anti-Zio, anti-Frankfurt School narratives proliferate on X.



This is the most fake narrative of all, with the most gatekeeping, with historically the biggest blowback from contending with, with masses of money, offshore pedo networks propping it up.

It will happen again.

 
What do you think the reason is why a sodomite Brit Zionist cares so much to defend and try to disseminate info? He gets paid? He's been visited by the powers that be? All of the above?
I can't read the man's mind, of course, but I would guess it's a combination of money, an extreme fear/dislike of Islam due to his homosexuality, the desire to retain influence as a public intellectual and some level of sincere belief in the cause. As far as the latter goes, it becomes increasingly easy to endear oneself to people and the beliefs they hold if they've been handing you money and treating you well for years. Douglas Murray was likely bought off by the Jews in his mid-twenties (when he wrote a book about Neoconservatism and founded a think tank to promote the ideology) and has seemingly been on their payroll ever since. He's been a good investment for them, reliably and zealously pro-Jewish and anti-Muslim, and by virtue of his intellect, rhetorical abilities and lovely accent, lends those positions a certain credibility they might otherwise not enjoy. This is why I call him an intellectual prostitute. He's unfortunately just the latest in a long line of British intellectuals - a distinguished, highly esteemed and very elite group, as far as the whole sum of humanity goes - who've sold their birthrights for a mess of pottage, cheapening the long-revered emblem of the British intellectual fraternity in shameless service of Zionism.
 
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