The China Thread

If you have no interest in Chinese history and prefer to talk about shopping mall incidents then you can skip posts like the one above where I discuss central banking in China and the far east.
The Russians destroyed Polish forums, now you're going to derail an American discussion on Chinese building code with this anti-white opium stuff? He just wants to know if Chinese people are getting their essential nutrients with gutter oil and if they're safe taking the escalator.
 
The Russians destroyed Polish forums, now you're going to derail an American discussion on Chinese building code with this anti-white opium stuff? He just wants to know if Chinese people are getting their essential nutrients with gutter oil and if they're safe taking the escalator.

A discussion of the Chinese monetary system is not appropriate in the thread about China?? And two mentions in the past 71 pages of this thread on the opium trade in China, which dominated Chinese history from the 1840s to the 1940s, and which btw was not "White", don't "derail" anything.
 
Of course, and it isn't so because America insists it must be this way- although the whining bricks countries would have you believe that. The USD is the world's reserve currency because it's the best choice which all of them go for, even though they could buy debt denominated in quetzals, kwaanzas, rubles, rands, khomeinis, pol-pots, etc.

And all the shithole countries prefer to issue in dollars, but don't have to.
The USD is the world reserve currency for two reasons...

#1) WW2 was not fought on our soil, so we didn't have to completely rebuild while the rest of the White world had to do so.

#2) The USA was one of two superpowers post WW2.

Soon, due to third world immigration, the USA will no longer be a superpower. With it the USD will cease to be the world reserve currency. What replaces it remains to be seen.
 
Of course, and it isn't so because America insists it must be this way- although the whining bricks countries would have you believe that. The USD is the world's reserve currency because it's the best choice which all of them go for, even though they could buy debt denominated in quetzals, kwaanzas, rubles, rands, khomeinis, pol-pots, etc.

And all the shithole countries prefer to issue in dollars, but don't have to.

You forget Bretton Woods and then Petrodollar? A little hard to get away from the USD in a snap after using it for 50+ years mate...

I'm talking US- China relations, with the US China had a $262 B trade surplus in 2024,

edit: their peak holdings were at 1.3T in 2013, now it's $750 B, this year they may buy $75B of US debt. You're right it could be about 1/3 of the trade surplus this year. In 2013 the yuan was kept lower, I'm not searching for data, probably the same thing maybe up to 2/3 back then, still less than their trade balance with the US, my mistake.

Anyway they kept the terrible US government policies on life support as I suspect US debt has always been the largest part of their foreign debt holdings. You blame drug dealing and trading Jews for the predicament of addicts- the US is nominally (not as debt/gdp) the world's largest debtor nation thanks to China which gives the country the money to buy the drug.

Yea, the Chinese bailed out the US' from their 2008 Financial Crisis. The 2 economies were way too interconnected and in fact, all of Trump's Tariff would've destroyed the Chinese at that time instead of waiting until this year to do them.


The Chinese will keep accumulating more gold and let their USTs expire with their surpluses now which is why you're seeing their UST holdings decrease.

We'll likely see a multi-currency global system in the future. Kathleen Tyson wrote a book on it.

https://www.amazon.com/Multicurrency-Mercantilism-International-Monetary-Order/dp/B0CLYL98GZ
 
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NVDA is a monster company right now. 8% of the S&P 500. This would be huge for NVDA and China.



China does the whole "Where do you see yourself in 5 years?" thing on an official level. This is a legacy policy tool from the Soviet Union. Primarily drafting what's known as " Five-Year Plans". Around Trump's first term they pivoted towards high tech. Since they own the banks, they interfere in the "free market", heavily subsidizing and directing resources to sectors deemed important. Essentially giving people jobs, striving for industrial self-sufficiency and what's interesting, capturing market share. This interference in the free market has led to oversupply and bad debt, which leads to deflationary pressure from price wars. Despite their best efforts and massive investment, Chinese are still lagging in the cutting-edge. They've also made directives, like "AI‑Plus Action" to integrate AI, as an example, into industry and civic life. This is true central planning.

The west and America capitalize on this "unique" approach of China by selectively framing the above in different ways to stoke fear and outrage:

  • China is trying to be a superpower; Why? Do they want to destroy America?
  • They interfere in their domestic free market. They're hurting American companies.
  • Chinese are flooding the market with their crap.
  • China is going to collapse because they build too much stuff.
The reality of the situation is that the Chinese model is just common sense, but it comes with its own pitfalls. The fact that the Chinese are interfering in the free market, is both very beneficial and problematic at the same time. A difficult balancing act.

The Chinese or the CCP are serious people. This is what guys like NVDA Jensen understand. When we look at countries like Russia or some other scapegoat country, they're essentially following the Jew model of development in addition to being locked out of American "free trade". They let the free market decide everything. Most of Russian innovation pretty much stays in the lab. The government makes no effort to capitalize on it. In addition, Russia is filled with morons and crooks, who can't even run the free market economy properly without sabotaging it.

In China's case it's the opposite. They create jobs, create innovation and they try to capture real market share, so that their companies are profitable. Eventually the Chinese are going to become an equal peer, these export controls are just going to give Chinese companies a bigger share of the domestic pie.

Despite what guys like Negra claim, all American policy makers understand this reality, watch it closely and are obviously raising alarms. To be fair, Chinese propaganda is real, but Chinese propaganda is meant to accelerate their ascent to superpower status through reputation building, obfuscation of their "weaknesses" is a secondary characteristic.

When we see people reject this, saying "I'll never like the Chinese", to be fair they're actually responding to direct stimulus. That stimulus is the very real Chinese progress.
 
NVDA is a monster company right now. 8% of the S&P 500. This would be huge for NVDA and China.



The reason for Trump pushing to allow Nvidia chip sales to China is that Nvidia is sitting on a large inventory of unsold chips, a product with a short life cycle. If Nvidia can't move that inventory, its next reports are going to look bad and it will drag the entire stock market down.

This being said, there is an AI bubble, insiders like Thiel have cashed out, he recently sold $100M in Nvidia stock IIRC.

The Chinese know this, they are developing their own AI chip industry, but will use the purchase of Nvidia chips and as a bargaining tool in their trade negotiations.
 
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^ All this future predicting is interesting and all but the fact remains that currently China is culturally and technologically in the dark ages compared to America. The Chinese can do nothing and build nothing of value without American expertise and ingenuity (just check out what happens when they go solo on 100% Chinese projects like The Hongqi Bridge that collapsed last week). These are just on the ground facts. 80K US expats in China compared to 3 million Chinese expats in the US. The numbers don't lie. Chinese themselves think China is a sh*thole and are clamouring to get into the US... US citizens clamouring to get into China? Not so much.

@Read_Lives_of_Saints has told the truth here, and it is a truth I've heard before... The Chinese are animals who smoke and spit in elevators, stand by and watch husband's beat their wives in McDonald's, and step over dead bodies in the street without even stopping to see if the person is still alive. And yes, all this stems from atheism.

And it is odd that on a Western Christian forum that an Eastern culture steeped in atheism and all the demonic "activity" that implies, should be so exalted and glorified.
 
^ All this future predicting is interesting and all but the fact remains that currently China is culturally and technologically in the dark ages compared to America. The Chinese can do nothing and build nothing of value without American expertise and ingenuity (just check out what happens when they go solo on 100% Chinese projects like The Hongqi Bridge that collapsed last week). These are just on the ground facts. 80K US expats in China compared to 3 million Chinese expats in the US. The numbers don't lie. Chinese themselves think China is a sh*thole and are clamouring to get into the US... US citizens clamouring to get into China? Not so much.

@Read_Lives_of_Saints has told the truth here, and it is a truth I've heard before... The Chinese are animals who smoke and spit in elevators, stand by and watch husband's beat their wives in McDonald's, and step over dead bodies in the street without even stopping to see if the person is still alive. And yes, all this stems from atheism.

And it is odd that on a Western Christian forum that an Eastern culture steeped in atheism and all the demonic "activity" that implies, should be so exalted and glorified.


One of the more important aspects about being in a Christian forum is to seek the truth. We live in a world that is highly propagandized, and while this board is generally red pilled, there are some weak spots and recurrent cognitive biases in terms of sorting things out.

China is, objectively speaking, not technologically behind, here is the proof:





China is not a land of immigrants, and going forward, there are fewer incentives for their natives to emigrate in terms of economic opportunity, purchasing power and quality of life. And unfortunately, while China has caught up with us in terms of technological development, we have caught up and surpassed them in terms of demonic activity, be it in foreign policy with the Endless Wars culminating in the genocide in Gaza, or in domestic cultural degeneracy and next level usury and economic exploitation.
 
Essay about how Christians in Japan are disportionaly in positions of power in Japanese society despite them being a miniscule percentage of the population. One thing mentioned that stuck out to me was how a lot of the converts to Protestant Christianity in the 19th century were former samurai:

Same used to be true in pre-commie China, both Chiang Kai Shek and Sun Yat Sen were devout Christians. Dynamics were likely of a similar kind.
 
You see this dynamic in Taiwan as well where Christians are a small part of the population (though more than Japan) but they seem to have be more influential in society then in proportion to their numbers. The first elected president of Taiwan once martial law was listed was Presbyterian.
 
Same used to be true in pre-commie China, both Chiang Kai Shek and Sun Yat Sen were devout Christians. Dynamics were likely of a similar kind.
Whitewashing by zio propaganda stuff, you should know what went down in China, the horrible things, before the Revolution and the reasons for the Revolution, those very things.
One thing you people will never be able to take lands from China or Russia and institute your twisted system, thanks goodness for the nukes. Entire thread is vitriol towards the country Westerners have no business nor moral standing judging. Western is morally bankrupt system. China is friendly towards Russians a lot of whom are Orthodox Christans, so Western trojan horses dont work on those who unserstand how they work. Clever way to drive a wedge between China and Russia. The West is after Eurasian lands, they won't stop until they try to do their new Leubenstraum in Siberia, pan Bzezinski was clear on that one. China is own country and they do what they want in their country, not what Western masta tells them.
Russia was under German boot for centuries (Romanov dynasty who were 0.1% ethnic Russian, they were Dutch and German) but threw the boot off.
Its all about Western domination when people criticize China.
 
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I would move to China if I were ethnic Chinese and lived elsewhere like USA, it's not the big bad wolf US propaganda paints it. Its government actually cares about its people much more than the entire Western governments combined.
The Chinese people I know are either seriously considering moving back, as they can see there is no future in the USA, or are becoming depressed that their family left a country who has a future and they are stuck in this soon to be third world hellhole, but are not sure if they could return back.

It is a very bad situation for them. Going back would be super tough, the people in China already, with connections, are struggling. They are an up and coming lone superpower, but they are still going through growing pains. But there is obviously no future in the USA for them at all, because you either end up in Brazil, but a Brazil without the big brother USA to bail you out, or you end up in a White Nationalist new state where you are now a 2nd class citizen.

Sucks for them, I feel bad for them, it isn't only White people who are hurt by the satanic elites, they cause misery and destruction every place they visit.
 
A Chinese class 054 destroyer was seen huffing and puffing near Chongqing. One might be thinking that this maritime specimen could be dieselpowered like the Russian rustbucket aircraft carrier Kuznetsov, but it isn't. Some say it's exhaust fumes, but the ship's probably on fire.




These types of accidents happen quite often bytheway. Sinking of yet another Chinese submarine in 2022 in the SCS has been left out, maybe it will be added at a later time.



 
A Chinese class 054 destroyer was seen huffing and puffing near Chongqing. One might be thinking that this maritime specimen could be dieselpowered like the Russian rustbucket aircraft carrier Kuznetsov, but it isn't. Some say it's exhaust fumes, but the ship's probably on fire.



The 054 class is a frigate, not a destroyer. And yes, she's diesel powered.

Double-check those chink sources.
 
A Chinese class 054 destroyer was seen huffing and puffing near Chongqing. One might be thinking that this maritime specimen could be dieselpowered like the Russian rustbucket aircraft carrier Kuznetsov, but it isn't. Some say it's exhaust fumes, but the ship's probably on fire.




These types of accidents happen quite often bytheway. Sinking of yet another Chinese submarine in 2022 in the SCS has been left out, maybe it will be added at a later time.





I guess in those situations their naval command have to make a choice on whether to bother putting the fire down, or just build another dozen ships in the next couple of months instead...

China is building over 1,700 ships per year. This is not a typo. They build more ships than the rest of the world combined. Yet another indicator of their GDP not being bloated, but understated.



It doesn't take much to excite China haters these days, tiles falling off from an old building, smoke coming out from a ship, footage from 2011 of a kid being run over. Lower IQ tabloid worldview, with next to zero concept of the big picture.
 
What stunning roads, the landscaping is wonderful.


Shenzhen was built up from a tiny fishing village of 20K people in 1980 to a large city that has become one of 4 majors in China.

I spent considerable time there over the years and was disappointed when I found that, although its subway is nice, new and shiny (but you have to pass strict security at every entrance in order to have all bags checked and aren't allowed many normal items), it could have benefited from basic city planning that would have made it world class.

The surface level is a strangled mess of poorly planned streets that make drunken Irishman Boston CBD look like Tang Dynasty feng shui 风水 masterpieces in the Forbidden City.

Almost everywhere I've been and seen in China is like this: a jumbled mess of synapses in a sclerotic brain scan that are weaving in and out of inefficient traffic patterns.

It took ages in Shenzhen to go from the middle of this north-south strip of land down the HK border when it could have been much easier.

Oh well, that's China! Nearly everything appears laid out by 90 IQ planners who've studied neither geometry nor geomancy.

On the plus side, even serpentza preferred Shenzhen's easy access to top restaurants and great shopping that are more concentrated and convenient than Guangzhou, and I did as well, so SZ does have it's good points.
 
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