The Barbarian Invasion of Europe

FrostBITE said:
In France, rugby is growing in popularity as a kind of white flight from minority-dominated soccer.

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I don't think its really fair to criticize blacks and other minorities in the soccer teams. To be fair a lot of those black soccer players are quite good so its not a case of diversity just for its own sake. Black people as a whole are good at certain sports (marathon running, sprinting, etc). Brazil for example has historically had many blacks and mestizos on its national soccer team and they have won a lot of world cups. As long as the minority people on the French soccer team were born in France and are good players then I do not see the problem.

By the way I am against pushing diversity as anyone else on this forum or giving people special privileges just for diversity but if somebody is genuinely skilled at something should we be against them just for the sake of being anti-diverse? That just feels like being extreme in the other direction.

Every Brazilian black, white or mulatto reveres Pele as a national hero due to his acumen.

And the French soccer team has a decent track record over time so I don't think its fair to say the non-whites ruined their soccer team.
 
Australia Sucks said:
I don't think its really fair to criticize blacks and other minorities in the soccer teams. To be fair a lot of those black soccer players are quite good so its not a case of diversity just for its own sake. Black people as a whole are good at certain sports (marathon running, sprinting, etc). Brazil for example has historically had many blacks and mestizos on its national soccer team and they have won a lot of world cups. As long as the minority people on the French soccer team were born in France and are good players then I do not see the problem.

By the way I am against pushing diversity as anyone else on this forum or giving people special privileges just for diversity but if somebody is genuinely skilled at something should we be against them just for the sake of being anti-diverse? That just feels like being extreme in the other direction.

Every Brazilian black, white or mulatto reveres Pele as a national hero due to his acumen.

And the French soccer team has a decent track record over time so I don't think its fair to say the non-whites ruined their soccer team.
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Brazil is Brazil and France is France. Why are you already accepting as a given that France is a nation of immigrants like New World countries? That does not strike me as the opinion of someone who is against pushing diversity. In fact it strikes me as someone who would probably concede every point a liberal would make.

France won a World Cup with a majority European squad in 1998.

The point is not that non-whites ruined their team when it comes to performance. If that were all this was about wouldn't every country in the world be eagerly hunting for their very own Africans?
 
The French have a good soccer team so I am not sure what the problem you have is? The fact they have a good team goes against your argument that minorities destroyed their team. Just as its dumb to promote incompetent people for DEI reasons its just as dumb to exclude them for white nationalism reasons. Meritocracy should rule.
 
FrostBITE said:
The point is not that non-whites ruined their team when it comes to performance. If that were all this was about wouldn't every country in the world be eagerly hunting for their very own Africans?
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There are black players on many of the top performing soccer teams. Germany has black players, France has black players, even Italy has a black player on their team. Holland has black players on their soccer team. Brazil has black players on their soccer team. Your argument is contrary to the facts. By the way I am not saying you should put black players in your team just for the sake of it. Argentina has a strong soccer team with no black players and that is fine also.

But your argument is silly because for example France has millions and millions of black people are you saying that none of them are good at soccer?
 
FrostBITE said:
Brazil is Brazil and France is France. Why are you already accepting as a given that France is a nation of immigrants like New World countries? That does not strike me as the opinion of someone who is against pushing diversity. In fact it strikes me as someone who would probably concede every point a liberal would make.

France won a World Cup with a majority European squad in 1998.

The point is not that non-whites ruined their team when it comes to performance. If that were all this was about wouldn't every country in the world be eagerly hunting for their very own Africans?
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Blacks mature and physically develop earlier in a sport that is increasingly becoming about athletics and statistics, with the clubs' Academies focused on immediate results. Ergo European boys get pushed out of the youth academies due to delayed puberty curves and delayed physical development. Everybody knows the quintessential 10-11 year old Black boy who looks and moves like he's 16-17.

Argentina could import 2 million Haitians next year and within 15 years half their youth squads would be Creole negros. Not because the Blacks necessarily can play the game better - Argentina is the current World Champion and all it's youth squads are top tier, but because 12 year old Dieudonne is stronger, faster and one head taller than 12 year old Matias - even though the latter will eventually catch up and maybe even outsize the former and has technical and tactical skills that are either on par or better.

In general there is only one country bucking this trend which are the Spanish Academies. In Spain clubs still scout for football intelligence, technical skills and composure.
 
Thomas More said:
The French team are not French. It is meaningly to call this corporate entity by the name of the French people.
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Either way its a good team so it is a moot point and I don't get the point of complaining. Now if France never won and their team sucked their would be legitimate grounds for diversity complaints.

How do you define "French"? If a black person was born in France but his parents were born in Haiti is he French? If he is born in France and so were his parents but his grandparents were born in Senegal is he French? If his great grandparents were born in Senegal is he still not French? At what point do they get considered French? Or is it simply based on genes/skin colour? In that case is Michael Jordan not "American"? Would it have been better if Michael Jordan didn't play basketball?
 
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