South Africa's Descent Into A New Zimbabwe

[GoodShepherd]

Everyone here should be critical of the premise that it's wrong to colonize other nations.

All races, cultures, and peoples have conquered or been conquered. There are no exceptions in history.

Thus it is hypocrisy to say it is wrong for one group to conquer when other groups have done the exact same thing.

For example, even if Whites conquered Blacks in Africa, Blacks conquered each other long before Whites did and Blacks would go to Europe if they could.

So rather than ask, "Is it wrong to conquer," which is meaningless, instead ask, "What have the conquerors done with their victory? What have they done with their peace?"

When examining that question, Christendom has done 100000x more for the world as victors than any other group, Whites Christians in particular have a stellar track record that birthed the modern world. Everyone takes it for granted and yet had the Christians not conquered then most of the world would still be pooping in the grass and living at starvation levels.

In South Africa eventually the whites and the blacks got together and together they formed a constitution where all were supposed to be treated equally under the law and everyone was given equal rights including all the other races and peace was reached, thats what happened, but now that the black government has been in power they have violated that original agreement, South Africa was actually quite unique in a sense during that time.

 

[LaAguilaNegra]

Today Trump signed an EO addressing the human rights abuses in South Africa coupling it with sanctions. Absolutely amazing news.



A shot across the bow and not a minute too early.

A South African polician on the issue saying that the Black supremacist landgrabs will lead to civil war.



UFC champ and global brand Driecus de Plessis

 

[GoodShepherd]

Afrikaaners who live in Orania or who live in places with strong communities prefer to remain in South Africa and for good reasons, they have basically set up a good system within their community and our basically self sustaining. However the majority of white people are not living in such a blessed situation and dont have strong communities at all and are living amongst the populations. Orania has their own banks, power and water supply, sewages systems, food production, security etc, they are in a good place, infortunately they are land locked and I dont see how they would be able to import things like fuel and other resources which they would need.

For many years a minority of white South Africans have been trying to succeed from the rest of South Africa and become an independant country, its been going on for over a decade.

 

[GoodShepherd]

I would also like to mention that during the Apartheid day the government gave the black population 12% of the land exclusively for blacks, it was supposed to be their homelands and the goal was for these areas to be autonomous self governing areas. I also want to point out that the Apartheid government with white peoples tax money built around 18,000 schools for the non white population, its all on Chat GPT for those who would like to check it out.

 

[GoodShepherd]

 

[LaAguilaNegra]

For many years a minority of white South Africans have been trying to succeed from the rest of South Africa and become an independant country, its been going on for over a decade.

How serious is the secessionist movement in South Africa, how does the general White population+other Cape located minorities perceive this idea and are there any serious parties and political initiatives working towards goal?

Asking this because per usual those representating Afrikaners - or at least claiming to do so (Democratic Alliance) do not support this idea and instead pay lip service to milquetoast ideas on West Cape autonomy on the grounds of equality of all before the law.



In short, the only way I see a Cape independence movement get off the ground is if the US throws it weight behind it to mess up and/or gain leverage on the South African entity that has become increasingly hostile to DC over the years.

Which might seem farfetched now but is not entirely out of the question. Using sectarian, ethnic and cultural break lines in hostile countries to create internal division has been tried and tested. So far I see very little movement on the Ramaphosa regime's side indicating they want to pull their turd back in.

A regional independence movement carried by Boers, Anglos, Coloreds and other minorities would focus on the Cape Provinces due to preferable demographics in that area. That leads to the next problem. The Boers are farmers and most of South African fertile lands are not in the Cape Provinces which are arid and not suitable for farming. What's going to happen to the millions of Boers in the former Boer Republics Transvaal, Orange Free State, Natalia?

They live in a sea of hostile Blacks but have their businesses and assets to run in those areas. Often with deep ties in those communities.



Overall the idea just seems messy and akin to opening a can of worms. The ANC/EFF goons won't stand for it and consider it a frontal attack on South Africa's sovereignty and 35 year old Rainbow Nation Project. A de facto declaration of war. A sentiment that will no doubt be echoed in Moscow and Beijing which will not look forward to the creation of a US supported and friendly de facto state on what is technically South African soil.

 

[Dusty]

The United States stands ready to help the descendants of settlers in South Africa who are being expropriated and abused by the South African government. Pursuant to President Trump’s Executive Order, the State Department is suspending all non-life saving aid to the Republic of South Africa. Persecuted South African farmers and other innocent victims being targeted solely based on their race who choose to resettle in America will be welcome. The United States will also defend the rights and interests of those remaining descendants of settlers threatened with expropriation without compensation and other intolerable abuses. We will no longer stand by while God-given rights are so cruelly violated.

 

[GoodShepherd]

How serious is the secessionist movement in South Africa, how does the general White population+other Cape located minorities perceive this idea and are there any serious parties and political initiatives working towards goal?

Asking this because per usual those representating Afrikaners - or at least claiming to do so (Democratic Alliance) do not support this idea and instead pay lip service to milquetoast ideas on West Cape autonomy on the grounds of equality of all before the law.

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In short, the only way I see a Cape independence movement get off the ground is if the US throws it weight behind it to mess up and/or gain leverage on the South African entity that has become increasingly hostile to DC over the years.

Which might seem farfetched now but is not entirely out of the question. Using sectarian, ethnic and cultural break lines in hostile countries to create internal division has been tried and tested. So far I see very little movement on the Ramaphosa regime's side indicating they want to pull their turd back in.

A regional independence movement carried by Boers, Anglos, Coloreds and other minorities would focus on the Cape Provinces due to preferable demographics in that area. That leads to the next problem. The Boers are farmers and most of South African fertile lands are not in the Cape Provinces which are arid and not suitable for farming. What's going to happen to the millions of Boers in the former Boer Republics Transvaal, Orange Free State, Natalia?

They live in a sea of hostile Blacks but have their businesses and assets to run in those areas. Often with deep ties in those communities.

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Overall the idea just seems messy and akin to opening a can of worms. The ANC/EFF goons won't stand for it and consider it a frontal attack on South Africa's sovereignty and 35 year old Rainbow Nation Project. A de facto declaration of war. A sentiment that will no doubt be echoed in Moscow and Beijing which will not look forward to the creation of a US supported and friendly de facto state on what is technically South African soil.

Unfortunately I also stay on the hostile black side of the map so I wont really benefit from succession Im on the wrong side of the fence. The ULA is the group thats the most advanced in the succesion process I think they already 11 years in the legal process, the problem is they dont have enough signatures, unfortunately the people dont understand this, no signatures no sucession, the people have to show that they want to succeed which currenrly they not showing, Cape independance didnt even get 1% electoral votes thats how bad they did!

The ULA actually wants a much bigger chunk of the SA map than that, the area goes all the way into Northern Pretoria because according to the SA census the minorities are the majority in all those areas.

 

[Dusty]

 

[Northern Pilgrim]

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These fools can't help themselves... Well good, now their lying ways are going to be plain for all to see.

 

[GoodShepherd]

Over 10,000 South Africas in the last 18 hours have already enquired about refugee status in the USA, there clearly is an interest to leave South Africa.

 

[GoodShepherd]

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If you look at South Africas crime statistics you will notice that our government stopped recording the crime stats by race for obvious reasons because its not the white people doing all the crimes and murders so they are hiding this important information to the world and public but if you want a job or ANYTHING else in South Africa they always ask for your race, but crime... NO!

So Chat GPT cant answer the white farm murder question for lack of interacial data which is deliberately not recorded. But ask Chat GTP how many farmer murders have happened in the last 30 years and it admits that there have been thousands.

Wilem Petzer a few years ago once did a very good report of the victims and perpetrators of farm murders and he found that not a single white person had commited a farm murder against another white farmer which is abnormal because most murders happen between people who know each other and usually you find the same race murdering each other but in his findings we saw that the murder and victims of farm murder never previously knew each other and it was always a black person who killed the white person, only 1 case did he find where there was 1 Indian guy who killed a white farmer, thats it.

What he also found thats abnormal is in most of these murders nothing was stolen which rules out that its just "regular crime" and torture was also involved and sometimes messages were written on the walls with the victims blood like "white devils" etc which is clearly proves it was a racial hate crime.

I will try find this old video clip its really worth watching.

 

[Dusty]

 

[GoodShepherd]

Here is a good example of what happens when government takes over farm land in South Africa, here is an example of a productive farm they took over and now its unproductive.

 

[Samseau]

Here is a good example of what happens when government takes over farm land in South Africa, here is an example of a productive farm they took over and now its unproductive.

That's the plan. Force small farmers to give up their land in the name of reparations, then the (((big boys))) come in and buy the bankrupt negro farm for pennies on the dollar. Of course, the (((corporation))) will not have to give up their land for past racism.

 

[Douglas Quaid]

One thing I've noticed about white South Africans is they aren't nearly as woke and politically correct as other white countries. I'm sure it has to with how insane the political environment and race relations are there, but it's usually very refreshing to speak with South Africans. There's no walking on eggshells or offending some faggy liberal. Similar to white people in the rural US.

 

[FrancisK]

One thing I've noticed about white South Africans is they aren't nearly as woke and politically correct as other white countries. I'm sure it has to with how insane the political environment and race relations are there, but it's usually very refreshing to speak with South Africans. There's no walking on eggshells or offending some faggy liberal. Similar to white people in the rural US.

So it's the reverse as here in the USA, the difference is that the whites aren't savages.

 

[GoodShepherd]

That's the plan. Force small farmers to give up their land in the name of reparations, then the (((big boys))) come in and buy the bankrupt negro farm for pennies on the dollar. Of course, the (((corporation))) will not have to give up their land for past racism.

Im not even sure if its like that because look at Zimbabwe, where are the big boys there? I dont see any big boys there just unproductive land in ruins.

 

[GoodShepherd]

One thing I've noticed about white South Africans is they aren't nearly as woke and politically correct as other white countries. I'm sure it has to with how insane the political environment and race relations are there, but it's usually very refreshing to speak with South Africans. There's no walking on eggshells or offending some faggy liberal. Similar to white people in the rural US.

Not all white South Africans though, the boers are fine they have a culture and they Christians so they not woke, but there are lots of woke white South Africans trust me but not the farmers, the farmers cant be woke they have to own guns and defend their properties and be very careful who they allow to work on their land so they have to be sharp or else they will get robbed or killed.

 

[GoodShepherd]

What it looks like walking around Johannesburg CBD, although not in these clips there are over 80 abandoned building in Johannesburg city and a lot of them have squatters living inside them, there also arent any public toilets in the city so you can imagine the smell, these people have to do their business somewhere and they do it in the street and allys.