Situation in the Red Sea (Houthi Thread)

Egypt took a $6 billion hit, in lost Suez Canal traffic.


Meanwhile Houthis are on track to earn $2 billion, in protection money.


One of the best points on Israel foreign aid, that I have heard made, was by Joseph Jordan (Eric Striker was his anonymous name)...

Israel foreign aid is not just all the money and weapons we send to Israel, year after year. It is also the billions in aid we send to all the other countries in the Middle East to bribe them into not attacking Israel, because their people hate Israel and we have to bride the corrupt governments into not attacking Israel. That is the summation of the shameful trash Abraham Accords. Disgusting Kushner took our tax money and bribed the Arab governments into support Israel against Iran. This was all fine and dandy until Iran light Israel up on October 1st and then all of a sudden these Arab countries tossed the Abraham Accords into the trash and told the USA they cannot use their bases to attack Iran.
 
So much for the theory that Trump would scare the Houthi's.


USS Abraham Lincoln targeted:



Looks like the same incident.
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New details from DOD - U.S. Navy repels multiple Iranian-backed Houthi attacks:
- Destroyers USS Stockdale (DDG 106) & USS Spruance (DDG 111), part of the Lincoln CSG, were attacked while transiting the BAM on 11 Nov
- Included at least 8x one-way attack drones, 5x anti-ship ballistic missiles, & 3x anti-ship cruise missiles
- Despite reports, aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72) (recently in the Gulf of Aden) was not targeted
- Successfully engaged & defeated with no injuries or damage
“CENTCOM forces retain the inherent right of self-defense & will take appropriate steps to protect our personnel.” - Pentagon Press Sec


I'm guessing that despite CENTCOM's statement, USS Lincoln was the actual target, and destroyers just did their job protecting her.
What's interesting, is Lincoln's presence in the Red Sea. Just as they were about to depart the region, their mission was extended and the CSG moved from the Indian Ocean, to the Red Sea, most likely to carry out strikes in Syria - since Houthis in Yemen can be attacked from the Arabian Sea.
 
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Not sure the Lincoln was in the Red Sea (like the 2 destroyers). Some reports I read say it was in Gulf of Aden. If it even matters: Prosperity Guardian is so weak at this point.

Houthis not backing down, but Trump is still on the bench. All things in time. If Houthis, Iran, and Russia press their issues after inauguration (I think they will) - that'll be a test with all the players on the field.
 
Not sure the Lincoln was in the Red Sea (like the 2 destroyers). Some reports I read say it was in Gulf of Aden. If it even matters: Prosperity Guardian is so weak at this point.

Houthis not backing down, but Trump is still on the bench. All things in time. If Houthis, Iran, and Russia press their issues after inauguration (I think they will) - that'll be a test with all the players on the field.
What can Trump do that Biden didn't already do? I know he talks tough, but in reality Trump has a country in which the men rightfully don't want to fight for it, a military severely understaffed for peace time missions, and equipment that is falling apart due to being capitalist for-profit junk or top tech that is matched by China and Russia for pennies on the dollar.
 
What can Trump do that Biden didn't already do? ...
Oh, that's largely my point. The ground realities will not have changed, just the US decision makers. Now is Houthi time to set traps.

The Houthis are tip of the spear for the Russia/China/Iran axis. They are the proxy army that is already at war with the US, in deed if not by declaration. I expect provocation, response, escalated response with their better stuff.
 
So much for the theory that Trump would scare the Houthi's.

A theory made up by a bunch of nobodies on the internet? Trump has made no such claim so why even bring him up?

Trump wants to end the war in Gaza, which is the Houthi's condition for ending their war. Let's see if Trump manages to end that war.
 
This isn't a surprise to me, but it is reassuring news and great to hear. One side is replacing 150 IQ men with 110 IQ diversity hires, squandering the most valuable resource a nation has and limiting its growth and development. The other side is wisely using their best and brightest to advance their military technology in a desire to survive the satanic west. One side turned their MIC into a for profit scam that produced cheap made junk, the other side knows the most valuable tools available to them is military tech and makes sure to never cut corners. One side has no vision, other than profits, the other side has a specific plan and goal, with weapons designed for very different purposes to prevent waste. One side is replacing their men with foreigners, but "legally", making their native population unwilling to fight or give a damn. Almost like recreating the tower of Babel with legal immigration is satanic. The other side is supporting their men and doing their best to help them create families.

 
What can Trump do that Biden didn't already do?

Admitting we have a problem would be a good place to start.
Houthis had a very productive year. They grew rich in money: scoring $2 billion for protection; and in power: controlling who is allowed to sail through the Bab al-Mandab. And used both to expand - forging ties with Al-Shabaab in the Horn of Africa. They won't go away even if the new administration was able to miraculously bring peace to the Middle East.
Still, it doesn't mean we're left without options.

1. If the new administration really means business, they'll have to show it. A show of force, not necessarily big, but definitely loud - killing their public face: Yahya Saree, or rescuing the "Galaxy Leader" crew from captivity. Something loud enough to send "there's a new sheriff in town" message.
2. Succeed where the Biden admin has failed the most. Assemble an international coalition to protect the freedom of navigation. It needs to be based on countries who's vital interests are threatened the most by the Red Sea crisis - Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Think of a regional version of the European Operation Aspides - purely defensive, and without American presence. Two reasons for that. First, if the US Navy is involved it won't be defensive. Second, we shouldn't waste our resources protecting foreign countries, who showed no intention to protect themselves.
3. Open the Bab al-Mandab for American shipping. Not a single American merchant vessels, has crossed the strait since January. This is causing both economic and reputational damage. To open up the Bab al-Mandab, we might have to cover the war risk premiums for American ships. Assign them US Navy escorts. Embark Marines on American vessels to protect them from unmanned explosive boats. And, if need be, load SHORAD and anti-drone systems (Avenger, M-LIDS, etc.) on board of high value ships, like the ones carrying DOD cargo. Respond to every single attack, and attempt, with force immediately after it happens - not days later. Retaliation needs to be both: immediate and inevitable.
4. The Red Sea crisis became a multi-billion dollar enterprise for the Houthis. They won't go back to whatever they were doing a year ago on their own. We need to cut them down a size. Sanction every shipping company that's paying Houthis protection money. From what I understand, these are local (Saudi, Emirati, Omani) companies, so if they're no longer able to pay for safe passage, their countries might have no other choice, but to use their navies to protect them.
5. Prevent advnced weapons from reaching Yemen. Yeah, I know we've been trying to do it for years without much success, but it doesn't mean there's nothing to be done. The 5th Fleet runs several international operations to combat piracy, smuggling, etc. The new administration should review and restructure them for efficiency.

These are just a few moderate ideas from the top of my head.
There are other, more severe options available: prolonged air campaign, naval blockade, we could even prompt Saudis to reinvade. But it would be more expensive, time consuming, and fraught with consequences, so it would be better not go in that direction.
 
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Admitting we have a problem would be a good place to start.
Houthis had a very productive year. They grew rich in money: scoring $2 billion for protection; and in power: controlling who is allowed to sail through the Bab al-Mandab. And used both to expand - forging ties with Al-Shabaab in the Horn of Africa. They won't go away even if the new administration was able to miraculously bring peace to the Middle East.
Still, it doesn't mean we're left without options.

1. If the new administration really means business, they'll have to show it. A show of force, not necessarily big, but definitely loud - killing their public face: Yahya Saree, or rescuing the "Galaxy Leader" crew from captivity. Something loud enough to send "there's a new sheriff in town" message.
2. Succeed where the Biden admin has failed the most. Assemble an international coalition to protect the freedom of navigation. It needs to be based on countries who's vital interests are threatened the most by the Red Sea crisis - Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Think of a regional version of the European Operation Aspides - purely defensive, and without American presence. Two reasons for that. First, if the US Navy is involved it won't be defensive. Second, we shouldn't waste our resources protecting foreign countries, who showed no intention to protect themselves.
3. Open the Bab al-Mandab for American shipping. Not a single American merchant vessels, has crossed the strait since January. This is causing both economic and reputational damage. To open up the Bab al-Mandab, we might have to cover the war risk premiums for American ships. Assign them US Navy escorts. Embark Marines on American vessels to protect them from unmanned explosive boats. And, if need be, load SHORAD and anti-drone systems (Avenger, M-LIDS, etc.) on board of high value ships, like the ones carrying DOD cargo. Respond to every single attack, and attempt, with force immediately after it happens - not days later. Retaliation needs to be both: immediate and inevitable.
4. The Red Sea crisis became a multi-billion dollar enterprise for the Houthis. They won't go back to whatever they were doing a year ago on their own. We need to cut them down a size. Sanction every shipping company that's paying Houthis protection money. From what I understand, these are local (Saudi, Emirati, Omani) companies, so if they're no longer able to pay for safe passage, their countries might have no other choice, but to use their navies to protect them.
5. Prevent advnced weapons from reaching Yemen. Yeah, I know we've been trying to do it for years without much success, but it doesn't mean there's nothing to be done. The 5th Fleet runs several international operations to combat piracy, smuggling, etc. The new administration should review and restructure them for efficiency.

These are just a few moderate ideas from the top of my head.
There are other, more severe options available: prolonged air campaign, naval blockade, we could even prompt Saudis to reinvade. But it would be more expensive, time consuming, and fraught with consequences, so it would be better not go in that direction.
Very solid post. Number 1 and 5 are crucial to 2-3.
 
My list is a lot shorter.

1. Stop the slaughter in Gaza
I know they say they will stop if Israel stops the attack in Gaza, but at this point there's no way of believing that. They've been militants for years against Saudi Arabia, and now they are taking on the biggest powers in the world and making them back off.

They're not going to just lay that power down and walk away from it. If Israel stops the attacks on Gaza, completely, the Houthis are guaranteed to find a new issue that requires them to attack shipping in the Gulf and Red Sea and make new demands.
 
Admitting we have a problem would be a good place to start.
Houthis had a very productive year. They grew rich in money: scoring $2 billion for protection; and in power: controlling who is allowed to sail through the Bab al-Mandab. And used both to expand - forging ties with Al-Shabaab in the Horn of Africa. They won't go away even if the new administration was able to miraculously bring peace to the Middle East.
Still, it doesn't mean we're left without options.

1. If the new administration really means business, they'll have to show it. A show of force, not necessarily big, but definitely loud - killing their public face: Yahya Saree, or rescuing the "Galaxy Leader" crew from captivity. Something loud enough to send "there's a new sheriff in town" message.
2. Succeed where the Biden admin has failed the most. Assemble an international coalition to protect the freedom of navigation. It needs to be based on countries who's vital interests are threatened the most by the Red Sea crisis - Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Think of a regional version of the European Operation Aspides - purely defensive, and without American presence. Two reasons for that. First, if the US Navy is involved it won't be defensive. Second, we shouldn't waste our resources protecting foreign countries, who showed no intention to protect themselves.
3. Open the Bab al-Mandab for American shipping. Not a single American merchant vessels, has crossed the strait since January. This is causing both economic and reputational damage. To open up the Bab al-Mandab, we might have to cover the war risk premiums for American ships. Assign them US Navy escorts. Embark Marines on American vessels to protect them from unmanned explosive boats. And, if need be, load SHORAD and anti-drone systems (Avenger, M-LIDS, etc.) on board of high value ships, like the ones carrying DOD cargo. Respond to every single attack, and attempt, with force immediately after it happens - not days later. Retaliation needs to be both: immediate and inevitable.
4. The Red Sea crisis became a multi-billion dollar enterprise for the Houthis. They won't go back to whatever they were doing a year ago on their own. We need to cut them down a size. Sanction every shipping company that's paying Houthis protection money. From what I understand, these are local (Saudi, Emirati, Omani) companies, so if they're no longer able to pay for safe passage, their countries might have no other choice, but to use their navies to protect them.
5. Prevent advnced weapons from reaching Yemen. Yeah, I know we've been trying to do it for years without much success, but it doesn't mean there's nothing to be done. The 5th Fleet runs several international operations to combat piracy, smuggling, etc. The new administration should review and restructure them for efficiency.

These are just a few moderate ideas from the top of my head.
There are other, more severe options available: prolonged air campaign, naval blockade, we could even prompt Saudis to reinvade. But it would be more expensive, time consuming, and fraught with consequences, so it would be better not go in that direction.

Well, we could do that. It would take untold amounts of money, trouble and diplomatic effort. But maybe it could be done.

OR we could stop sending billions of tax payer dollars to a genocidal terrorist regime led by psychopaths.


Tough choice!
 
My list is a lot shorter.

1. Stop the slaughter in Gaza
Well, we could do that. It would take untold amounts of money, trouble and diplomatic effort. But maybe it could be done.

OR we could stop sending billions of tax payer dollars to a genocidal terrorist regime led by psychopaths.


Tough choice!

This might have been the solution a year ago, but not anymore.
Over the last year Houthis have: exchanged blows with the US military and lived to tell the tale, shot down a dozen or so Reaper drones, gained control over who sails through one of the most important global trade routes, and scored billions in protection money. They went from being a minor nuisance, to a regional power broker. They won't give up on this even if we could end the war in Gaza today - they would just come up with another excuse.
 
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