Simeon Strangelight's vitamin C advice

[FrancisK]

Any "diet" is not healthy for you, your body doesn't want to be restricted of nutrients and nourishment that it needs and wants. It may make your body look better or even feel better short term just by default as you turned away from bad habits but it is not healthy for you. In the same way that lifting heavy weights is not healthy for you, we do it myself included to look good and feel good not because it's healthy.

Are those things healthier than sitting on the couch eating McDonald's sure but that's a straw man, we're not doing that or at least I hope not. People who ate garbage and looked like stacked piles of shit are always saying how amazing and healthy this new diet their on is, of course it is compared to the fat slob life they lived before!

What is "healthy" is eating natural foods, eating less and living a clean active lifestyle. This coming from someone who diets and lifts heavy, I'm not fooling myself by saying I'm doing it to be healthier I'm not ignorant enough or self absorbed to believe that....I do it to look good and feel good among other considerations such as strength.

 

[Batman]

Unless you can make yourself consistently eat multiple lemons or other fruits every single day, why not just supplement it? There are far too many nutrients to cover from diet especially of you do OMAD. "Balanced diets" are a meme imo. Protein, healthy fats, EPA/DHA, creatine, amino acids like taurine and carnitine, b vitamins, magnesium, vitamin D, Vitamin C...imo it's simply impractical to the point of absurdity to reasonably expect to be able acquire these in sufficient amounts consistently, especially considering:
a) many nutrients are water soluble
b) bioavailibility is limited on a full stomach in general
c) most nutrients compete with each other for absorption (such as zinc and calcium and magnesium).

Good luck making a "balanced" diet that somehow optimizes for all this...

Vitamin C is really cheap and you can ensure you're getting plenty when you take megadoses every day when you're fasted. I take 1g per day but it probably wouldn't hurt to take more. Magnesium and Vitamin D are unquestionably required to supplement, while Vitamin C, Vitamin K, and B Vitamins are probably not strictly necessary, but probably a good idea.

 

[Australia Sucks]

imo it's simply impractical to the point of absurdity to reasonably expect to be able acquire these in sufficient amounts consistently, especially considering:

How do you think people survived before supplements were invented?

Being at a "supo-ptimal" level for at least a few nutrients is pretty normal and the body can adapt to it unless you get to an extreme deficiency level. Unless you are a professional athlete who needs everything to be 100% optimal I don't think its a big enough deal that you need to supplement unless you have some severe deficiency or some specific condition you are trying to treat.

For example if you have sleep problems it might be useful taking magnesium and zinc supplements, etc.

 

[RedLagoon]

Simeon's advice was a reaction to the coof bs instead of taking the poke. I guess it's anecdotal but my wife and I haven't gotten sick at all until the normies started boosting themselves to smithereens and then megadosing vit C was also what helped us and the kids out.

Take the advice as you please, still way less risk than doing some gene therapy on yourself or your loved ones.

 

[cosine]

Bell peppers and chili peppers have way more vitamin C than fruits. It's hard to overdose on natural foods.

Enjoy your chili.

 

[GoodShepherd]

I usually keep ascorbic acid (vitamin C) in a jar at home especially during winter for when we and the kids get sick to boost us, its summer now so we havent needed to take any for a long time now.

I would take 1 teaspoon vitamin c and 1/4 teaspoon bicarb to buffer it so its not too acidic, your stomach gets the runs if you not used to it and take to much so be careful, I sometimes mix it into my kids juice if they not well.

I also keep some iodene and hydrogen peroxide at home but you cant mix it with vitamic C they cancel each other out, for very sick people there are even vitamin C drips (IV) I tried one once when very sick, the hydrogen peroxide IV also works well you feel a great difference but very few doctors do it.

 

[Острог]

High-dosing ascorbic acid works. When you feel the precursor to being sick you start dosing, one small spoon every three hours is usually enough to fight a cold off. You can do two or three spoons if you need to. Just increase the dose gradually over the day. You can literally feel it working. And don't start in the evening if you don't know your dosing.

 

[Batman]

How do you think people survived before supplements were invented?

Being at a "supo-ptimal" level for at least a few nutrients is pretty normal and the body can adapt to it unless you get to an extreme deficiency level. Unless you are a professional athlete who needs everything to be 100% optimal I don't think its a big enough deal that you need to supplement unless you have some severe deficiency or some specific condition you are trying to treat.

For example if you have sleep problems it might be useful taking magnesium and zinc supplements, etc.

Surviving vs thriving. Why not aim for optimization when it's available?

 

[Australia Sucks]

Surviving vs thriving. Why not aim for optimization when it's available?

Firstly a lot of supplements do not have great absorption and the more effective ones can be costly.

I do actually supplement by the way but that is to treat specific problems not just for the sake of it.

 

[Steady Hands]

Good thread with some useful discussions

My reading of the literature (not advice):

1. Vitamin C may be useful to help with preserving immune function on occasion, especially when initial cold-like symptoms appear and when managing certain infections.

I keep some Ascorbic acid + flavanoids around in flavour-free powdered form for this purpose.

2. It increases absorption of iron, may assist with inhibiting certain tumour growths, and may have other medicinal properties.

Vitamin C and Immune Function - PMC

Vitamin C is an essential micronutrient for humans, with pleiotropic functions related to its ability to donate electrons. It is a potent antioxidant and a cofactor for a family of biosynthetic and gene regulatory enzymes. Vitamin C contributes to ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

3. Fruits/Veggies are the superior source of Vitamin C on a regular basis at low to moderate doses.

4. We need to take Vitamin C from external sources, albeit at low doses

[Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3145266/]

However

1. Regular Vitamin C dosing with synthetic supps is not recommended.

2. Mega-dosing has diminishing marginal utility
It may also cause nausea or diarrhea*

*Stomach upset can be reduced by using sodium ascorbate or another alternative to ascorbic acid.

https://www.rooted-nutrition.com/post/all-about-vitamin-c

3. Longer-term higher dosing (over 1 gram per day on a daily basis?) may enhance risks such as oxidation and kidney stones

High-dose vitamin C linked to kidney stones in men - Harvard Health

File this under “if a little bit is good, a lot isn’t necessarily better:” taking high-dose vitamin C appears to double a man’s risk of developing painful kidney stones. In ...

www.health.harvard.edu

4. Some Vitamin C supps are contaminated with heavy metals or other unwanted ingredients. Sourcing and manufacturing are important to consider.

CIK discussion

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I just started a new stack, 4 brain health supplements that work long term for improving brain/cognitive function, and 4 adaptogen extracts that primarily act as immediate mood/energy enhancers they can be used on an as-needed basis interchangeably, or all at once. The brain health supplements are actually a part of a stack suggested on longecity from over 10 years ago - Uridine, b9/b12, DHA, and choline, though I am not including choline due to finding it underwhelming or detrimental. It doesn't even make sense to include choline in this stack anyway, because Uridine acts as a...

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Further resources

The risk of abuse of vitamin supplements - PubMed

The article presents the results of studies on potential risks associated with the abuse of vitamin supplements which until recently had been considered not only highly effica- cious, but also completely safe. Particular consideration is given to vitamins A, E, D and C. The necessity to control...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The article presents the results of studies on potential risks associated with the abuse of vitamin supplements which until recently had been considered not only highly effica- cious, but also completely safe. Particular consideration is given to vitamins A, E, D and C. The necessity to control the intake of vitamin supplements and even to strictly super- vise the supply to high risk patients is highlighted.

PDF: https://ojs.pum.edu.pl/pomjlifesci/article/viewFile/12/34

0:00 Introduction: Vitamin C explained 0:05 What is ascorbic acid? 1:45 Surprising things about vitamin C8:10 Check out my video on what vitamin C does! Today, let’s talk about vitamin C. I want to increase your awareness of the type of vitamin C you might be taking and the type you should be taking. According to recent editions of the dictionary, ascorbic acid is the same thing as vitamin C.
But, is the type of ascorbic acid in most vitamin supplements actually similar to vitamin C found in nature? In my opinion, no. Ascorbic acid (synthetic vitamin C) is made from glucose and other chemicals. Personally, I would only take ascorbic acid for a short-term detox cleanse, not on a long-term basis.The best type of vitamin C to get is vitamin C from food or food-based vitamins. Foods that have the most vitamin C: • Leafy greens • Berries • Lemons • Organ meats • Bell peppers • SauerkrautThings you need to know about vitamin C:1.

There is little to no benefit from taking high doses of ascorbic acid.2. Most vitamin C sold is fake and made from sugar.3. Vitamin C is not absorbed well if you consume sugar at the same time. 4. A mega-dose of ascorbic acid may cause oxidation, diarrhea, and bloating

 

[analyst_green]

I'm considering stopping most supplements. I used to take a lot of vitamin C, but it's probably better to get it from broccoli and oranges rather than some chemical from a plant. There's so much to consider, so much contradicting information, and it's often impossible to know if they're helpful or harmful. I would prefer to just eat as much healthy, God-given food as I can.

The one exception is moderate doses of vitamin D. I think most modern people need supplements in winter, unless you work outdoors year-round. And also for certain acute conditions, likely the risk is worth the reward.