Should I buy a new car?

[Based_Christian_Dude]

I had to look this up. These are preproduction cars. I've heard about this kind of thing before. They haven't been produced under final manufacturing standards, and could have unknown flaws with possibly high liabilities.

I could imagine marking them as totaled, and then selling them at a discount, but if it turned out that they had an unknown problem, the manufacturer could still get sued like crazy.

You could have engineers go over the whole thing to double check the pre-production design and determine if any problems are likely, but that kind of engineering effort is crazy expensive, more than the car is worth.

Sadly, from a business standpoint, destroying them makes the most sense.

That is justified, if they are test mules I have no problem with that but then again I wasn't talking about test mules.

Yes, these were supposed pre-production test cars or vehicles specifically built for "limited" use. But I still don't understand why not just export them to some random countries without the legality issues (e.g. Africa, Middle East, Asia) and sell them there in as-is condition, or donate them to automobile museums.

Buy a Toyota. They are the most reliable cars in the world by a country mile. No contest.

I heard from a few mechanics that Toyota is coasting on their reliability lately and aren't exactly as reliable as they used to be, at least here in the West. They are also having many recalls.

 

[mountainaire]

Thanks for the input. I'll look around then and see what I can find. One thing I noticed is that used Teslas are pretty cheap, comparatively. 15k for a 3 year old car. Is this because the world hates Elon or are they just bad cars?

EVs tend to depreciate extremely fast for a number of reasons. The main reason being the countdown timer to a battery replacement is always ticking, independent of mileage, and if it's out of warranty by that time, the cost of replacement usually exceeds the value of the car.

If you're wanting to explore mountains, EV is probably not a good choice if you want to stray from the beaten path at all and leave pavement. Not many chargers in the wilderness.

 

[Australia Sucks]

I heard from a few mechanics that Toyota is coasting on their reliability lately and aren't exactly as reliable as they used to be, at least here in the West. They are also having many recalls.

I guess try to buy an older second hand Toyota with low mileage to get the old gold standard reliability?

 

[Shadowman]

I recently relocated to Switzerland and am considering getting a car to properly explore it. It should be safe, reliable and be able to go up mountain roads. It shouldn't be small, because I'm 6'4''. 2 adults and 1 kid should fit comfortably even on longer drives within Europe.

What would you recommend? I never personally owned a car in my life and have zero clue.

What's your budget if I may ask?

 

[IM3000]

What's your budget if I may ask?

Ideally below 20k

 

[Based_Christian_Dude]

I heard from a few mechanics that Toyota is coasting on their reliability lately and aren't exactly as reliable as they used to be, at least here in the West. They are also having many recalls.

Forgot to add this link about further details on Toyota's decline in another thread: https://christisking.cc/threads/decline-of-functioning-society.323/post-93159

I guess try to buy an older second hand Toyota with low mileage to get the old gold standard reliability?

That's one way. I see all non-globalhomo vehicles rising in collector's value and pricing if they're at least in okay condition without severe issues. The problem will be that most folks don't maintain their cars well and if they do attempt to fix them, others will say it's not worth it because of the propaganda of new cars are always a better choice. For Toyotas, they generally have retards as half of their owners, so expect to spend a lot of time just looking for that one car.

 

[FrancisK]

The answer for a DD is always a used Toyota, not a new one with turbos and gadgets or any new age car in general. I bought the last of the new 2023 GX460's while the 2024 GX550 was already on the lot. I took one drive in that thing with its turbos and endless gadgets and signed for the old one as soon as I got back.

Change ALL the fluids, check the brakes, tires and suspension......then drive it forever.