Rural Living, Prepping and Survival

New York state has a lot of off grid camps, some of which are used for full time living. There is no exception for these properties in new statewide laws against fossil fuels, but wood heating appliances had not been banned, only heating oil, diesel and all sorts of gas starting 2030. I say one can always put together a simple wood stove, in the worst case, and as soon as they own woods there will be heat, but if there is no propane for sale and no parts or service for those appliances one will have to switch.

New York Moving Forward With Banning Gas Appliances
starting in 2030 New Yorkers will not be able to purchase any new gas or propane equipment. So once your furnace or propane grill needs to be replaced, it'll have to be replaced with an electric unit since fossil fuel-powered devices will be phased out and become illegal to use in New York.
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This is separate from their 2026 new construction ban on any fossil fuel appliances in new homes. There are indications New England might go the way of NY, eventually. There is a lawsuit fighting those laws but I think it can only temporary hinder what's happening. Any remotely affordable solar setup will not heat a home and there is often a deep well to pump as well .


In 2030, New York may begin a policy of forcing New York families to use electricity for home heating instead of fuels like heating oil, propane and natural gas.
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10 years from now I can easily see federal bans being put in place.
 
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I've got quite a bit of rural US living experience & still have root there. I found this datasheet accurate. The problem is, even in the poorest areas of Mississippi the roads are in pristine condition, accurately mapped & food, water, electricity etc supply is available.

Even in the most remote corners of continental US, places like Terlingua, TX or Grand Canyon area AZ, life is easy, comfortable & safe there & all these city people have to do is punch in "Terlingua, TX" on google maps, book an airbnb then they're there & now life isn't that different from Austin.

I'd say within 5 yrs max you'll see "We believe in Science" yard signs in Terlingua, Grand Canyon, etc if they're not there already.

Living abroad isn't for everyone, but if your motivation for rural living is to get away from all the nonsense, you need to go to undeveloped countries that aren't controlled by globohomo. Globohomo by design needs perfect roads, endless electricity & needs to be heavily documented. All of that is already in place in rural USA. The people you'll meet in places like Terlingua or backwoods Alabama are very similar to those from urban areas like Dallas, Austin, etc.
 
larom said:
I've got quite a bit of rural US living experience & still have root there. I found this datasheet accurate. The problem is, even in the poorest areas of Mississippi the roads are in pristine condition, accurately mapped & food, water, electricity etc supply is available.

Even in the most remote corners of continental US, places like Terlingua, TX or Grand Canyon area AZ, life is easy, comfortable & safe there & all these city people have to do is punch in "Terlingua, TX" on google maps, book an airbnb then they're there & now life isn't that different from Austin.

I'd say within 5 yrs max you'll see "We believe in Science" yard signs in Terlingua, Grand Canyon, etc if they're not there already.

Living abroad isn't for everyone, but if your motivation for rural living is to get away from all the nonsense, you need to go to undeveloped countries that aren't controlled by globohomo. Globohomo by design needs perfect roads, endless electricity & needs to be heavily documented. All of that is already in place in rural USA. The people you'll meet in places like Terlingua or backwoods Alabama are very similar to those from urban areas like Dallas, Austin, etc.
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I believe there's a Jason Boland song about Terilingua...
 
I finally started some 'urban' prepping again. Just that I usually keep food in here at an absolute minimum so I don't eat it all and can stay light and trim. Then, I'm getting fearful that there may soon be a nuke dropped somewhere hopefully not WW3 but even so, there may be that much panic and fear on the streets, looting, crime, military presence that it may just not be business as usual anymore, even if I'm not that near a potential nuclear target. It's all very well trying to trim down with voluntary fasting but with all the stress of such a situation, I would not want to be starving to death after a few weeks.

So found a cupboard well away from the usual food areas for the new stash, so I don't have to see it or be tempted to go and eat it unless the SHTF.

What is missing is water, will try to get some twenty litre container, at least ten.

Might get a small primus gas stove and one cylinder in case the power cuts.

I'm not aiming on surviving long term, bunkers, agriculture, armoured doors, guns etc, if that's what's needed well too bad. It is just about being slightly sensible in an urban environment and being able to hold out perhaps 100 days rather than perish in 30. Also not to have to join a panicked rush like we experienced during Covid with the toilet paper. Probably should get a bit more of that as well although it does not really seem like the highest priority item for such a scenario.
 
There's news that the longshoreman union may be going on strike tomorrow which, if they make good on their threat, has the potential to cause shortages and higher prices for consumers.



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A potential dockworkers strike could mean product shortages and high prices ahead of the holidays

U.S. ports from Maine to Texas could shut down if a union representing about 45,000 dockworkers carries through with a threatened strike early Tuesday.
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NEW YORK (AP) — U.S. ports from Maine to Texas could shut down Tuesday if a union representing about 45,000 dockworkers carries through with a threatened strike.

A lengthy shutdown could raise prices on goods around the country and potentially cause shortages and price increases at big and small retailers alike as the holiday shopping season — along with a tight presidential election — approaches.

“First and foremost, we can expect delays to market. And those delays depend on really what the commodities are and priorities at the ports and how quickly things move,” said Mark Baxa, president of the Council of Supply Chain Management Professionals.
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Wondering what people make of West Virginia as a location to learn prepping / survivalism and a general rounded level of competence, in potential future SHTF situations?

Seems to me that the relatively low cost of on-grid life, together with the challenging, plentiful nature, together with a relatively low population density, make it a good candidate for such endeavors?

Beyond that i guess Tenessee might offer its own bonuses, but also is more populous and seemingly its urban centers are growing rapidly, in a way WV isnt, and almost certainly wont significantly anytime soon?
 
Jeff Woad said:
Wondering what people make of West Virginia as a location to learn prepping / survivalism and a general rounded level of competence, in potential future SHTF situations?

Seems to me that the relatively low cost of on-grid life, together with the challenging, plentiful nature, together with a relatively low population density, make it a good candidate for such endeavors?

Beyond that i guess Tenessee might offer its own bonuses, but also is more populous and seemingly its urban centers are growing rapidly, in a way WV isnt, and almost certainly wont significantly anytime soon?
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I've heard that most WV towns and cities are decaying, economically depressed, and full of meth heads and oxycodone addicts. Obviously there are still some functional people there, but in general there is a lack of jobs, and the culture is very low class and dysfunctional. I've only driven through and seen some of the towns from the highway, but what I saw was consistent with the kinds of things I've seen on Youtube videos.
 
Thomas More said:
I've heard that most WV towns and cities are decaying, economically depressed, and full of meth heads and oxycodone addicts. Obviously there are still some functional people there, but in general there is a lack of jobs, and the culture is very low class and dysfunctional. I've only driven through and seen some of the towns from the highway, but what I saw was consistent with the kinds of things I've seen on Youtube videos.
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You just described Europe as a whole. But isn't this situation similar everywhere in the States? Or are there still places that thrive economically?
 
fortyfive said:
You just described Europe as a whole. But isn't this situation similar everywhere in the States? Or are there still places that thrive economically?
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Some cities in the US have growing economies, and growing population. These places have jobs and visible development everywhere. However, in the US every big downtown is filled with homeless people that are allowed to run amuck. Pooping and shooting up drugs in public. Camping in tents on public sidewalks and piling trash outside the tent. Standing and begging at every corner. Disgusting. Besides the homeless, the younger populations of the growing metro areas are all rabidly woke, so you won't want to have anything to do with them. Also, these places tend to be super expensive, so you can't afford a family.

Outside the few growing metro areas, many rural areas have a lack of new development and a gradually shrinking population, with most young people forced to move away once they come of age. JD Vance's story in Hillbilly Elegy is somewhat specific to Appalachia, but in fact it also applies to a lot of places in the deep south, the high plains, and the western states. These kind of places are far cheaper though. If you can get some kind of skilled trade, or work remotely, one of these areas might provide a better standard of living, in spite of the gradual decline.
 
I haven't been yet, but East Tennessee looks like one of best places to relocate in the US.

Mountains, forests, lakes, rivers, mild winters, no state income tax, mid sized cities and heavily rural areas. Tennessee is also one of the most conservative states in the US, and not becoming more liberal like other states with a lot of transplants.
 
Douglas Quaid said:
I haven't been yet, but East Tennessee looks like one of best places to relocate in the US.

Mountains, forests, lakes, rivers, mild winters, no state income tax, mid sized cities and heavily rural areas. Tennessee is also one of the most conservative states in the US, and not becoming more liberal like other states with a lot of transplants.
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I looked into the Johnson City area one time to consider it as a place to live, to see how politically conservative they are. I found this website that does an automatic rating for areas around the country. They take a number of factors into account, and come up with a score. They have a bar that goes from blue on one end to red on the other, and have a little marker to show where the current area falls on the conservative to liberal scale.

The marker for the Johnson City areas was way off to the right of the bar. The automatic score that was tallied up was so conservative that it put the marker off the scale! I'm sure they scaled the bar to fit the range of most other areas in the US. The Johnson City was so much more conservative than most other areas, it put the marker way off the scale.

Also, houses in that area are much cheaper. That area had a lower Covid vaxx compliance than most parts of the country. It is more religious than most parts. People around there tend to be interested in things like guns and trucks.

There's a lot to like!
 
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