But it tastes worse when you over salt or over sugar foods. Because then the overwhelming taste becomes salt or sugar instead of the food you are actually meant to be tasting!
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Restaurants
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Caduceus
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I don't think chain restaurants in the US do this, but I can totally see Chinese restaurants pulling this crap since this type of thing is normal in China.
Growing up in a restaurant (fine dining) ive waited tables and worked literally every job you can do in the that business.
I've literally chased people down for not tipping because they had the European mindset. (They were Brits and I was back home on pre deployment leave...helping the parents out)
15 percent on the food/alcohol (not on the tax) is the standard unless a waiter/waitress is really terrible.
20 percent indicates a good job.
Love the Reservoir dogs reference btw.
Generally peanut oil or vegetable oil or whatever is changed pretty regularly at most places. I'm sure fast food places have QA/QC requirements to change after X number of hours of use.
You can absolutely tell the difference between clean/fresh oil and used oil.
Batman
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What about 0%? I refuse to even tip waitresses anymore, let alone baristas, bartenders, uber drivers, or any other nonsense. Nowdays the only person I tip is my barber, and the only reason I do is for my own benefit, otherwise I'll be known as "that asshole who doesn't tip" and will probably get poor service.
I used to be a delivery driver, and I wasn't comp'd for gas or repairs, had to pay my own insurance. I had plenty of customers stiff me and it didn't bother me at all, it was my fault for accepting a job that didn't value it's workers, not the customers fault.
The most absurd talking point to bring up about tipping culture is that many waitresses and bartenders are making way more than they deserve because all customers assume they're poor victims who get no tips, when in reality the majority of people tip fairly generously (except blacks). Wait staff make way more than they would if they were compensated normally. Seriously, many waitresses make at least $30-40 an hour, untaxed. What a joke. And I bet you it's exceedingly rare for them to share it with anyone in the back of the house (who all probably work just as hard if not harder than the front of the house).
I've worked in IT for several years, and i've helped people out for hours at a time, working through lunch, waking up on weekends in the morning, going well beyond the scope of my duties. Never once got tipped in my entire IT career, even when I was at a computer repair shop where I made $12/hr. Why is this? It's cultural brainwashing at it's finest, people only tip out of a sense of guilt for any jobs that fall into the "victimhood" category.
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I thought that it benefited employers too, it likely did when the tips as wages culture started, but it's now systemic and therefore it would be difficult to buck the trend. A restauranteur could open a bistro and decide to pay his waiting staff a living wage, but that would be reflected in prices and thereby making his establishment uncompetitive.
The only way the system can be changed is through legislation for minimum wages linked to the cost of living (inflation), but then libertarian orientated Americans and the business class would start crying, "that's socialism" and they'd be right. But that opens the debate about the impossibility of having a free market economy in a fallen world, where the powerful always rig the game and peasants have to rely on the crumbs left over or charity. Because that's what tipping is in the final analysis, charity.
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If the restaurant industry is so broken that it needs tips to survive, and only legislation can change it, then the restaurant industry deserves to die.
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I don't mind tipping. But I mind when the suggested tip starts at 25% or something ridiculous and keeps going higher. Or when places that never used to ask for tips start doing it too. Something as simple as getting ice cream or going to a fast food place. All the more reason to avoid these places.
The price of eating out is also insane. You're fortunate to spend under $20 nowadays for a burger or something similar. These food trucks especially rip people off. Again, all the more reason to cook at home.
The price of eating out is also insane. You're fortunate to spend under $20 nowadays for a burger or something similar. These food trucks especially rip people off. Again, all the more reason to cook at home.
If you have a problem with tipping culture, bring attention to the problem or take some public action to change it. Most waiters make well under minimum wage as a base salary, so if they make more than that it's only because the majority of customers tip.
If you don't want to tip, don't eat out. But don't justify not tipping as taking some kind of moral stand. You're not shafting the rich owner. No one will notice it except the waiter, who's likely an average person trying to pay his or her rent.
I thoroughly disagree with what you've said here.
Waiters and waitresses work for tips. $30/hour may occur in some places, but if you're working 4 hours (usually a shift) a night, 6 days a week you're looking at $720 a week. That's not great money, i make more than that for my daily rate if you were to break that out at my corporate job... But it's the one job that has low barriers to entry that allows people some economic opportunities. In high end restaurants, a Friday or Saturday night you might make $300 maaaaayyyybe.... But that's not the norm.
You saying what someone "deserves" or not is totally laughable. Capitalism responds to the place that is most lucrative and barring outside subsidies, provided the best product. How do you think a business makes money? They have to have employees to do the work. If they aren't getting tipped, they leave for somewhere else. Then the restaurant goes out of business.
Clearly you've either not thought this through, don't understand basic fundamentals or the economy, or don't know what you're talking about.
Comparing waiting to your IT job is retarded. You get a salary or billable hours. That's not how s restaurant works. They get tips based off of patronage. No customers, no tips.
I think people who don't tip are scum, usually with a chip on their shoulder about something..and if that's your behavior when you go out... You should stay home.
It's part of the process. If a waiter is a turd thats one thing. But otherwise, you're a cheapskate and you have zero business going out and eating.
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Public action? My public action is not eating out and not tipping and convincing anyone who will listen to not tip. What are you suggesting I do, protest? This is a systemwide issue with the entire restaurant industry and has deep roots in our culture.
I know I'm not shafting the owner, but maybe it'll convince the waitress to get a job that compensates her fairly, and the restaurant will go out of business. It's not about shafting anyone anyway, it's about not playing into the system.
$720 a week (mostly untaxed) is more money than almost any other unskilled, non-labor worker earns, and that's probably the low end of what most make.
Does the busboy or dishwasher not deserve to bring home $500+ of untaxed income every week too? "But they make minimum wage", so in a single 8 hour day they bring home about 65 dollars post-tax, while the waitress easily brings home at least 2x that amount in an 8 hour shift. How is that fair?
I said "deserved" because while waitresses are pulling in potentially hundreds of dollars in a single night, everyone in the back of the house works just as hard, if not harder, than the waitress and probably make. A waitress might make more than everyone else in the entire restaurant, possibly even the chefs or managers. Tell me again, why does she deserve that above everyone else? I've never heard of waitresses sharing their tips regularly with the back of the house; if this was standard, I would be more supportive of tipping.
Exactly, if they don't get tipped they'll leave and the restaurant goes out of business, that's what should happen to all restaurants in the US and get replaced by a system that isn't based on guilt tripping customers.
What is your point? We also tip baristas, bartenders, cab/uber drivers, barbers/hairdressers, even things like room service, maintenance, valet parking, and many others. Yet we don't even consider tipping anyone who works in customer service, why not? What's the difference? Oh yea, those people are "victim classes" that we have arbitrarily decided deserve our pity.
I don't go out to eat, and avoid it as much as possible. But saying "this is just how it is" isn't an argument.
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Caduceus
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Isn't it illegal to pay an employee under minimum wage ?
If a waiter/waitress isn't getting minimum wage can't they sue their employer ?
Caduceus
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For many aspects we are already living under a socialist system of government....they just hasn't just declared so openly.
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I do stay home, I literally never go out to eat on my own volition, not even pickup, because the entire restaurant industry makes me sick. But inevitably it occurs with social gatherings at some point. What do you suggest I do, sit in the parking lot?
Caduceus
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The problem isn't tipping per se, it's the insane amounts staff in USA except.
No one outside the USA tips anyone more than 15 % anywhere....and even then it's usually more like 5% to 10%.
In Japan NO ONE tips except clueless foreigners.
Batman
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It's so ingrained in US culture that even if a law was passed that forced all waitresses to get paid at least $15/hr, people would still tip out of guilt.
I hope you never set foot in my restaurant. You've got a fundamental misunderstanding of how the economics of the business works.
My opinion of you has dropped very significantly.
Industry norms are different. In Japan and Europe they pay you a salary/hourly rate.
It's different norms in different countries.
If a restaurant decides to go that route.... Fine. But thats not the case in 99.9 percent of restaurants as we know.
Here you're paid a 2.15 hourly rate or something like that which is taken out of your check form the purposes of taxes/payroll deductions. The rest has to be reported by the employee for cash wise, and the credit card tips are also filed by the employer. The employer also pays usually a 3 percentage tax on CC transactions.
Restaurant business is not some easy thing book keeping wise, if you're doing it legally.
Caduceus
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I found this explanation on the US department of labor website:
"The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) requires payment of at least the Federal minimum wage to covered, nonexempt employees. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 an hour in direct wages if that amount plus the tips received equals at least the Federal minimum wage, the employee retains all tips and the employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the Federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.
Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the Federal and state wage laws, the employee is entitled to the provisions which provides the greater benefits."
There is also this very complex breakdown state by state here:
Minimum Wages for Tipped Employees
Neither webpage however specifies the minimum and maximum (what percentage) the establishment can charge for service/tips.
From what I understand there is no minimum required service charge/tipping percentage according to US LAW, so basically it's a bit of a wild west situation in the USA in which restaurants can ask for whatever percentage they want, and customers can also decide whatever percentage to pay or not pay.
It's a situation that really requires clearer and more precise legislation to prevent ongoing confusion, and financial abuse of both customers and employees.
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