Verkhovna Rada (ukrainian parliament) starts a legislative process to ban the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC).
Persecution of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church
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Ukrainian Nazis beat Metropolitan Longin of the Chernivtsi-Bukovyna diocese of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (OCU), who had previously refused to become subordinate to the “OCU” (the so-called Orthodox Church of Ukraine, schismatics).
As the Metropolitan reported, at night there was a knock on the door, he opened it and was hit in the face, from which he lost consciousness.
A month ago, the Nazis set fire to the Metropolitan's house.
As the Metropolitan reported, at night there was a knock on the door, he opened it and was hit in the face, from which he lost consciousness.
A month ago, the Nazis set fire to the Metropolitan's house.
It's hard to even get angry about it, because it looks like most Ukrainians are already paying a hefty price. I noticed that Romanians have increasingly grown weary of Ukraine since the beginning of the special operation, because they refuse to recognize Romanian as a minority language and they also won't allow Romanian liturgies, because those who do them are mostly in communion with the MP. And because they are minority-hostile in general in order to support their "national" agenda.
Moscow is referred to as the third Rome. The second being Constantinople. As a relatively new Orthodox Christian, I wonder how hard the distinction stings the tiny Patriarchate of Constantinople, and how much that weighs on Bartholomew's involvement in the recent schism.
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Always important to remember how very long this schism has been planned:
Vice President Joe Biden meets with Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew at the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Istanbul, Turkey; December 3, 2011.
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What else is left in the deal?
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Always important to remember how very long this schism has been planned:
Vice President Joe Biden meets with Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew in Istanbul
Vice President Joe Biden meets with Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew at the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Istanbul, Turkey; December 3, 2011.
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There are many Greeks who hate what Bartholomew has done, and, he never had any authority to call a split within another Church's autocephalic jurisdictional lines. The idea that there even is an ecumenical Patriarch anymore is nonsense, since ecumenical originally meant "in the Emperor's house," and there hasn't been an Emperor for 600 years.
Ecumenical Patriarch = Emperor's Patriarch. What Patriarch? I suppose Bartholomew believes the American President will restore this lost power to Constantinople. In reality, it looks like it will destroy the Greek Church.
Ecumenical Patriarch = Emperor's Patriarch. What Patriarch? I suppose Bartholomew believes the American President will restore this lost power to Constantinople. In reality, it looks like it will destroy the Greek Church.
Yeah, I think that authority has kinda passed. Some Church Fathers talked about how exceptionally Orthodox and authoritative Rome was back in the day, but times change.
In general, I like that the adherence to tradition creates more of a bottom-up dynamic in the Orthodox Church that the Roman Church doesn't. I once mentioned to my godfather that Bartholomew seemed pretty masonic to me and he and his wife went "yes, but so does Daniel of Romania".
It's generally understood that the heart of the Church sits with the prayer and the liturgy of the common priests, the laity, and the ascetics, while the upper hierarchs, while owed obedience, are not what the Church stands and falls with.
But that's also why I don't think the Greek Church will be destroyed (aren't they technically separate anyways? Jurisdiction goes over my head sometimes). In America, it, might take a hit, but at this point, there are so many parallel jurisdictions in Western countries that that's hardly going to be a massive problem. You will have a couple of seething RCs go "I told you so", but that's it. But that has hardly any significance offline.
The Greeks also have a lot of staunchly Orthodox clerics and ascetics. Besides that, I have met a lot of converts online, and very few of them seem to be in Greek Jurisdiction. OCA seems to have some problems, but also many excellent people. Bartholomew can do his tricks, but if he actually were to move towards Uniatism, schism would be inevitable, and the other jurisdictions would grow.
OrthoLARPing libtards have a lot of power media-wise, but I have very rarely encountered them in person.
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Since I’m Catholic, I don’t have the privileges to post in the orthodox forum. So for now, I’ll just stick it here:
Ukraine’s parliament on Tuesday voted to approve a bill outlawing religious organizations linked with Russia. But it has been clear from the start that "Bill 8371" is really all about banning the country's largest Orthodox Church, which is called the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC), merely because it maintains communion with the Moscow Patriarchate.
The move was somewhat expected given it follows two-and-a-half years of Zelensky frequently sending authorities to seize Orthodox churches and monasteries, particularly in the capital, in the wake of the Russian military invasion.
https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/ukrorthodoxchurch1.jpg?itok=cZAVRjWv
Domes of Kyiv Pechersk Lavra monastery
Members of parliament celebrated the bill's approval: "It’s a historical decision! Parliament passed a bill banning a subsidiary of the aggressor country in Ukraine," MP Irina Gerashchenko wrote on Telegram.
265 MPs voted to pass the bill, which far surpassed the required minimum of 226 votes. Only 29 voted against the measure called "On the Protection of the Constitutional Order in the Sphere of Activity of Religious Organizations," while another four abstained.
It should be remembered that back in the spring of 2022, Zelensky signed a law which effectively banned all 'pro-Russian' political parties in Ukraine. This meant that overnight at least eleven significant opposition parties were barred from parliament or representation.
Bill 8371 will next pass the desk of President Zelensky, where he's expected to sign it. It will pave the way for a much bigger persecution to ramp up against the UOC, after already in some cases priests and bishops have been thrown in jail.
Last October, when the draft version of the bill was first presented to parliament, the UOC announced it was taking significant legal steps to defend itself in courts:
Even a remote or potential 'Russian connection' - be it related to culture, music, language, or religion - has put ordinary Ukrainians under the suspicion of the state and the military of late. This despite that some one-third of the country has always spoken Russian as their first language, especially in the east and parts of the south. All of this has also gone hand in hand with the Zelensky government's efforts to eliminate the Russian language altogether from public life.
Hours after Tuesday's parliament vote, a Russian Orthodox Church spokesman stated: "This is an unlawful act that is the grossest violation of the basic principles of freedom of conscience and human rights."
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Ukraine’s parliament on Tuesday voted to approve a bill outlawing religious organizations linked with Russia. But it has been clear from the start that "Bill 8371" is really all about banning the country's largest Orthodox Church, which is called the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC), merely because it maintains communion with the Moscow Patriarchate.
The move was somewhat expected given it follows two-and-a-half years of Zelensky frequently sending authorities to seize Orthodox churches and monasteries, particularly in the capital, in the wake of the Russian military invasion.
https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/ukrorthodoxchurch1.jpg?itok=cZAVRjWv
Domes of Kyiv Pechersk Lavra monastery
Members of parliament celebrated the bill's approval: "It’s a historical decision! Parliament passed a bill banning a subsidiary of the aggressor country in Ukraine," MP Irina Gerashchenko wrote on Telegram.
265 MPs voted to pass the bill, which far surpassed the required minimum of 226 votes. Only 29 voted against the measure called "On the Protection of the Constitutional Order in the Sphere of Activity of Religious Organizations," while another four abstained.
It should be remembered that back in the spring of 2022, Zelensky signed a law which effectively banned all 'pro-Russian' political parties in Ukraine. This meant that overnight at least eleven significant opposition parties were barred from parliament or representation.
Bill 8371 will next pass the desk of President Zelensky, where he's expected to sign it. It will pave the way for a much bigger persecution to ramp up against the UOC, after already in some cases priests and bishops have been thrown in jail.
Last October, when the draft version of the bill was first presented to parliament, the UOC announced it was taking significant legal steps to defend itself in courts:
In some recent instances, Orthodox clergy members have seen jail time or have been placed under house arrest, or else harassment by mobs of far-right Ukrainian nationalists, for merely calling for peace between the two countries.
Even a remote or potential 'Russian connection' - be it related to culture, music, language, or religion - has put ordinary Ukrainians under the suspicion of the state and the military of late. This despite that some one-third of the country has always spoken Russian as their first language, especially in the east and parts of the south. All of this has also gone hand in hand with the Zelensky government's efforts to eliminate the Russian language altogether from public life.
Hours after Tuesday's parliament vote, a Russian Orthodox Church spokesman stated: "This is an unlawful act that is the grossest violation of the basic principles of freedom of conscience and human rights."
Ukraine Adopts Bill Banning Orthodox Church For Spiritual Ties With Moscow | ZeroHedge
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jewish government tyrants dictating what the Orthodox Church can and cannot do, seizing churches, persecuting priests and monks....sounds really familiar.