Machine Learning and Artificial Intelligence Thread

Is it a tool or an agent?

Or maybe I should ask: can we interact with it like it's a tool or is it always going to slip into "I am interacting with it like it's an agent". ?
It's a sophisticated plagiarism machine, how can people here fall for the hype coming from the deluded godless nerds?

Try vibe coding anything more complicated than a pong game and you will soon find out how stupid "AI" really is. No serious software team relies on "ai" for production. It's a tool among mamy in the toolset. It replaced googling and stack overflow in a junior engineer's workflow. Instead of you searching for an answer or a code snipet on stack overflow, you ask "ai" and it scans github and stack overflow for code already existing in the public sphere.

It's really not all that complicated, once you step outside the narrative of the rich nerds.
 
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Try vibe coding anything more complicated than a pong game and you will soon find out how stupid "AI" really is. No serious software team relies on "ai" for production. It's a tool among mamy in the toolset. It replaced googling and stack overflow in a junior engineer's workflow. Instead of you searching for an answer or a code snipet on stack overflow, you ask "ai" and it scans github and stack overflow for code already existing in the public sphere.
This is simply not true. Go read that article I posted on the last page. The people most intimately familiar with AI, and the ones who know how best to utilize it - that would be its developers - are getting extensive productivity benefits from it. The fact that the average person cannot yet get a lot of value out of AI doesn't mean the technology is useless, it just means that we're still very early on the adoption curve. Your grandmother farting around on AOL in 1996 and complaining about how difficult it was to send an email was not an indictment of the internet; it was an example of a technology that was only just beginning to break through to the mainstream.

The publicly available chatbots/LLMs are really just scratching the surface of what AI is going to do. Right now these LLMs are trained for sort of general purpose use, and that is what most people use them for (analogy: you can ask pretty much anyone off the street to google something for you and give you the answer because it doesn't take any special skills, i.e. "who won the gold medal in the men's 100m dash in 1976?") What's going to be hugely disruptive is when large companies start building highly specialized enterprise AI models, trained on all their internal data and processes, and designed specifically for their workflow requirements. These models will be very accurate, fast, and streamlined, and they will allow people who know how to use them well to do the work that previously required 5-10 people. (analogy: you can't ask just anyone off the street to drive a race car, dance ballet, or perform brain surgery. You require a specialist). Real economic value comes from specialization, and we are only just beginning to see that from AI.
 
This is simply not true. Go read that article I posted on the last page. The people most intimately familiar with AI, and the ones who know how best to utilize it - that would be its developers - are getting extensive productivity benefits from it. The fact that the average person cannot yet get a lot of value out of AI doesn't mean the technology is useless, it just means that we're still very early on the adoption curve. Your grandmother farting around on AOL in 1996 and complaining about how difficult it was to send an email was not an indictment of the internet; it was an example of a technology that was only just beginning to break through to the mainstream.

The publicly available chatbots/LLMs are really just scratching the surface of what AI is going to do. Right now these LLMs are trained for sort of general purpose use, and that is what most people use them for (analogy: you can ask pretty much anyone off the street to google something for you and give you the answer because it doesn't take any special skills, i.e. "who won the gold medal in the men's 100m dash in 1976?") What's going to be hugely disruptive is when large companies start building highly specialized enterprise AI models, trained on all their internal data and processes, and designed specifically for their workflow requirements. These models will be very accurate, fast, and streamlined, and they will allow people who know how to use them well to do the work that previously required 5-10 people. (analogy: you can't ask just anyone off the street to drive a race car, dance ballet, or perform brain surgery. You require a specialist). Real economic value comes from specialization, and we are only just beginning to see that from AI.
What I said is a fact. No serious software team relies on "ai" for production. I'm not talking about the freely available chatbots, I'm talking about $200/month agentic coding that is used in the industry. No one relies on its output without human supervision, otherwise they'd end up with huge technical debt that would ruin the company. It's one thing to vibe code a weekend side project, another to write sensitive code in medical, security, accounting, logistics etc you name, in a production setting. It simply not good enough on its own. It will create a security nightmare in no time.

Any company that claims their code is written x% by ai, they either lie or they will soon go bust .
 
What I said is a fact. No serious software team relies on "ai" for production. I'm not talking about the freely available chatbots, I'm talking about $200/month agentic coding that is used in the industry. No one relies on its output without human supervision, otherwise they'd end up with huge technical debt that would ruin the company. It's one thing to vibe code a weekend side project, another to write sensitive code in medical, security, accounting, logistics etc you name, in a production setting. It simply not good enough on its own. It will create a security nightmare in no time.

Any company that claims their code is written x% by ai, they either lie or they will soon go bust .
Which is why MSFT is potentially going to zero.
 
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