Lounge of The Russian-Ukrainian War

Sandalwood Peak said:


Doctor Laughing GIF by American Masters on PBS
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Or, this one:
16. Russia will enshrine in law its policy of non-aggression towards Europe and Ukraine
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Sure, sure, when America codifies it won't mess with the rest of the world anymore
 
  • The United States will enter into a long-term economic cooperation agreement for mutual development in the areas of energy, natural resources, infrastructure, artificial intelligence, data centers, rare earth metal extraction projects in the Arctic, and other mutually beneficial corporate opportunities.
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Trying to loot Russian mineral resources and dump future noisy data centers there. I guess the good thing is wires can always be cut and all the mining stuff nationalized.
Sounds like Trump basically wants huge payoff.
The next admin, which could easily be Democrats, won't even honor any of these papers.
Interesting how Western media had framed it as "renting" Donbass.
US companies should not be operating in Russia ever again and I hope all this industry is soon nationalized after the last oligarch gets dispatched. This will not happen under Putin probably, but there will be others after him who will do the necessary things, Russian resources belong to all people of Russia not some corporations to get rich off, time to clean up the house from inside. Right now, cleaning outside and cleaning it good, but next will be the time to clean inside
 
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According to a high level Russian source as reported by journo Pepe Escobar who interviewed him recently, one of the main authors of these 28 points was Jared Kushner, which explains the extra Jewy items like the US getting 50% of profits and the $300 billion Russian stolen funds getting officially pilfered.

You know that Kushner didn't write these clauses himself and had an assistant type them instead because he was too busy rubbing his hands together while he was coming up with those clauses...

Unfortunately for Kushner and co, the next hundred years for Russia aren't going to be like the last two hundred years, to use Solzhenitsyn's book title as a reference.
 
Looks like peace plan is getting rewritten by Europe, they are back to square one with same old pathetic stuff. I think even if some agreement gets eventually signed during Trump administration it will only be a breather before the next big war, I guess need to prepare accordingly. For Russia, it's probably more advantegeous not to sign off Ukraine West of Donbass non-aggression guarantee in exchange for some goodies, grey status might be better, otherwise it is de facto NATO membership for Ukraine. Things are looking like temporary Molotov-Ribentrop act.
 
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They just crafted a new 19 point plan and call it "Ukraine agrees". Ukraine keeps 800000 army (current 880000, 250000 before the war) and all the territorial agreements taken out and deferred to further negotiation, ceasefire demand is back. Seems like back to square one. (I'm sure that "mineral exploration" of both Ukraine and Russia by colonizers haven't been left out, I mean this is the entire point of the whole affair)
 
jayco said:
They just crafted a new 19 point plan and call it "Ukraine agrees". Ukraine keeps 800000 army (current 880000, 250000 before the war) and all the territorial agreements taken out and deferred to further negotiation, ceasefire demand is back. Seems like back to square one.
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Russian government isn't backing out of negotiations. As we can see, the American Empire controls the flow of money.
 
This is the only time that I've heard Zelensky utter even one iota of agreement with the terms. Every other time he would throw a tantrum. But now he knows his days are numbered.

I actually think this is a promising start to the end of the war. Ukraine is pushing back a little to try to sweeten the deal for them. I don't think they're going to have a ton of success, but Russia may relent on some points. So expect more negotiations but it looks promising.
 
Another Minsk, if any agreement is even achieved
My personal affairs, planning and future heavily depend on the state of the war, I say only a fool would get duped by these peace agreemebts on the table. Yawn.
Hope for peace ..got to be planning for war.
 
Cooper said:
Zelensky is cornered because people in his closest circle have been recently convicted of fraud, the noose is starting to tighten. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up joining the other Khazar crooks in Tel Aviv later this year...
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Do you seriously believe that "Zelensky" is own man and not playing the script he is ordered to play?
Who is cornered then?
Its a pathetic theater, bad and good cop show.
Yankees won't stop, they want Ukraine
Tel Aviv is a virtual suburb of London and DC, or the other way, doesn't matter, these are one and whole
 
The Istanbul Agreement stipulated that the Ukrainian army could only field 50,000 troops. The Russians are not going to agree to something that is well over 10x that figure. That is just one of many points of contention with the American proposal.
 
I can see how Ze eventually gets thrown out by his masters, got to change the song once in a while, he is old, worn material and the actor people are bored of, but frankly Ze is NPC and not worth 5 mins of typing about him. It's his owners who decide things
 
Cooper said:
The Istanbul Agreement stipulated that the Ukrainian army could only field 50,000 troops. The Russians are not going to agree to something that is well over 10x that figure. That is just one of many points of contention with the American proposal.
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They also had removed all territorial points from new proposal. Temp ceasefire agreement is what it is.
 
Some of the dynamic here is that there is a lot of daylight between Zelensky's owners. Zelensky is favoring the EU/UK side of his NATO owners, so the prosecution of his collaborators can be seen as the US/Trump side calling him back to order.
 
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