Logistics and Supply Chain Professional Discussion

Thomas More said:
I know it is a threat, and it destroys the lives of people who made a good living with the old technology.

Sometimes the new technology is more helpful than workers expected, sometimes not. People who made clothing by hand hated the coming of the sewing machine, because they didn't realize ordinary people might be able to afford more than one outfit. However, buggy whip makers really did see a permanent decline in their industry.

New technology can definitely create extreme passions in displaced workers, but it is unstoppable.
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Agreed. These guys are fighting a losing battle. At best they're delaying the inevitable and going forward strikes like this are simply going to incentivize moving towards automation even more.



If this strike ends up causing prices to go up and shortages on shelves I'm guessing these people are going to be hated by the average American consumer who's already dealing with high prices across the board. I'm reading these guys are demanding a pay increase of $5/hr over the next six years (77% raise).
 
Brewer said:


Can't say I blame this man for advocating for his workers, most of whom work long hours at a dangerous and thankless job.

Unions get a lot of hate, I think mostly because many of them vote Democrat as a bloc, but they're the main reason that wages were high enough to give American blue collar workers a comfortable middle class life for most of the 20th century.

The unionizing push of the 20s and 30s is by far the most useful and least retarded thing that Socialists did for this country.
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The issue is the unions like the teachers unions which vote unanimously left.

There is a balance but unions are pointless with mass migration and cheap illegal labor that is unmitigated.
 


He may be 'dead right' on the damage they can do to our economy but I think he's dead wrong that this is going to play out in the longshoremen's favor long term. I believe they're going to find the American public real short on sympathy if they try to hold our economy hostage because they didn't get a 70% pay raise.
 


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Get2choppaaa said:
I smell a crook.

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I knew the Longshoreman and the Teamsters were heavily involved with the mob back in the day, but I had the impression that the mafia had been substantially curtailed in recent years, and thought the unions were cleaned up as well.

I'm sure the unions are still in the pockets of the Democrat party, and I'm sure there's other bribery and corruption, but I'm a little surprised to see that there is still blatant mob involvement, with the president of the union having witnesses whacked.
 
Thomas More said:
I knew the Longshoreman and the Teamsters were heavily involved with the mob back in the day, but I had the impression that the mafia had been substantially curtailed in recent years, and thought the unions were cleaned up as well.

I'm sure the unions are still in the pockets of the Democrat party, and I'm sure there's other bribery and corruption, but I'm a little surprised to see that there is still blatant mob involvement, with the president of the union having witnesses whacked.
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Read this whole thread for a deep dive.
 


It’s really simple. In Europe and Asia these jobs are all done by machines/ai. The only reason USA is different is unions. Bring on machines and break the strike

If it takes 6 months(or a year) of being without euro and Japanese cars it’s worth it.

Cave to the unions now and give them the promise of no ai in the future and they will simply repeat this in 6 years.
Machines should be doing all of this work anyways: safer, faster, cheaper .

If you’re upset about high prices now? If you give these clowns their 77% increase then everything will just get even more expensive

To me it’s a no brainer. Hell if it takes 1-2 years arguably it’s worth it.

The fact that their leader is wearing a Rolex and designer glasses and makes 700k/year while bragging about how many jobs he will kill at auto dealers and whatnot tells me we cannot cave in and pay this asshole

To me it’s a no brainer
 
eradicator said:


It’s really simple. In Europe and Asia these jobs are all done by machines/ai. The only reason USA is different is unions. Bring on machines and break the strike

If it takes 6 months(or a year) of being without euro and Japanese cars it’s worth it.

Cave to the unions now and give them the promise of no ai in the future and they will simply repeat this in 6 years.
Machines should be doing all of this work anyways: safer, faster, cheaper .

If you’re upset about high prices now? If you give these clowns their 77% increase then everything will just get even more expensive

To me it’s a no brainer. Hell if it takes 1-2 years arguably it’s worth it.

The fact that their leader is wearing a Rolex and designer glasses and makes 700k/year while bragging about how many jobs he will kill at auto dealers and whatnot tells me we cannot cave in and pay this asshole

To me it’s a no brainer
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Reagan broke up the air traffic controllers strikes.

I suspect this shit wouldn't happen unser Trump either.

And I agree. You cant play ball with people who have all the leverage. It's not a fair trade.

And this dude is a total crook for sure.
 
I used to take the GOP approach on this, and I realize many of these unions are controlled by the same satanic elites that control Wall Street.

It is hard to take these Unions seriously, but at the same time, it is hard to take "free market capitalism" talking points seriously when Wall Street fails over and over, after paying their CEO's 8 figures, and then gets bailed out with our tax dollars because they are "too big to fail".

It seems more and more of the same out of touch elites, who own both parties, are trying to control this debate and make their own side look as bad as possible.
 
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What I cannot figure out is how long would it take to make these ports fully automated? I tried checking last night and today and cannot get a real answer

Caving to their demands shouldn’t be an option and truly no one should be in a position cause an economic crash so their union can get more money
 
Longshoremen threatening to destroy the supply chain unless govy agrees to not replace them with robots is exactly why they should be replaced with robots.

And speaking of robots, instead of importing cheap junk manufactured with oriental child labor we should build a bunch of robots to manufacture our cheap junk domestically.
 
Callixtus said:
Longshoremen threatening to destroy the supply chain unless govy agrees to not replace them with robots is exactly why they should be replaced with robots.

And speaking of robots, instead of importing cheap junk manufactured with oriental child labor we should build a bunch of robots to manufacture our cheap junk domestically.
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I could get behind this.

And that douche mobbed up union boss needs to get reinvestigated.

Guarantee there's plenty of legitimate illegal activity they have on him from his connection to the Genovese family
 
I'm union as well. This whole thing is cringe. We have a binding arbitration system in place so strikes are avoided but not completely out of the realm of possibility. The Longshoreman should understand that they don't hold all of the cards. They can inflict alot of pain in the short and intermediate term but they can also see themselves out of jobs and replaced by scabs. There are alot of people out there that would take these jobs.
 
Get2choppaaa said:
I could get behind this.

And that douche mobbed up union boss needs to get reinvestigated.

Guarantee there's plenty of legitimate illegal activity they have on him from his connection to the Genovese family
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I work for a manufacturing machinery dealer, primarily CNC mills and lathes, but lately we've been selling more robots.

I was initially somewhat conflicted about pushing robotics and automation on customers, what for having got my start as an operator, a "button monkey" as it's colloquially known, i.e. the guys that load raw material, press the green go button, reload, repeat.

What I've seen in the last few years is impressive and I've grown very optimistic. Initially robotics got popular during the labor shortage post-corona, since then it's grown into a really great thing, particularly for smaller, family-run operations. No one's lost their jobs over it, in fact it's spurred a lot of growth. Shops are able to automate menial tasks of loading/unloading, thus freeing up the button monkeys to learn programming, setup, etc. Many shops are now running 24 hour operations that previously couldn't afford to pay for night shift. A lot of places that used to be forced to outsource to larger domestic companies or overseas are now able to bring things in house, grow their business, promote employees and buy more equipment.

In my experience, automation is the only way to save domestic manufacturing.
 
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