LGBT Agenda

Crux said:
I don't believe I was born gay
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I'm really happy to hear you managed to cure yourself, break the habit or however you want to phrase it.

At least 2 gays I have talked to have easily been able to identify what made them that way, and don't subscribe to the born gay theory, so it supports what I'm already suspecting that the born gay thing is part of the overall psyop we are up against, or at most is a smaller factor than other environmental factors.
 
Crux said:
I'm Catholic, so I don't believe I was born gay, but I never chose to be attracted to men either. (I chose to engage in it, yes; but I didn't choose to have the initial attraction.) Maybe I can liken it to your mother tongue. You weren't born a speaker of that language, and you didn't choose to be a speaker of that language either... but it's all you've known. You can learn to speak another language, but it feels forced, it's not 'native'. Maybe it's a bad analogy, but it's all I've got right now.
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Good for you man. More people need to hear stories like this.

You say that it's all you've ever known, but I assume that is starting from adolescence. Was there anything you were exposed to earlier, such as molestation or porn? Or is it something you were introduced to by peers in early adolescence?
 
Horus said:
Good for you man. More people need to hear stories like this.

You say that it's all you've ever known, but I assume that is starting from adolescence. Was there anything you were exposed to earlier, such as molestation or porn? Or is it something you were introduced to by peers in early adolescence?
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Horus, first I would like to say thank you, as it was your earlier post about molestation by older boys (rather than some 50-year-old monster) that finally pushed me to join the forum. What you wrote intrigued me, and I wanted to ask the following: based on your understanding from where that information came to you, would a single encounter of the sort, i.e., an instance of molestation committed by an older boy, which was perceived as innocent play by the younger boy, be sufficient to enduce homosexuality, or only after repeated exposure to it? Maybe the question can't even be answered.

To answer your question: my attraction to males started well before adolescence, I'm talking age 7 or something like that. Yes, really. I used to fantasise at that age about being taken down into a cellar or some other secret location by an older man and being caressed by him. I never had fantasies at that age of any explicit sexual act, only that of being held by an older man, in his arms, in a secret location.

I would say that I began to feel what we would more properly call sexual interest at about age 9. I was masturbating by that age, and definitely sexually interested in male genitalia.

But here's the thing, I don't have any recollection of molestation but for the one time that my father tickled me between my legs (I mean my balls, to be blunt) at some unclear age in my mind, and I thought it was 'funny' and I liked it, because I thought it was just play.

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Edited to add the following: I remember seeing some pornographic images of men around age 9 and I liked it. I also had a male friend of the same age and we used to touch one another's erections.
 
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@Crux, How did you behave as a gay man? Did you go to mono-relationships or more promiscuous? I purposefully know little of the gay life, other than stories of highly promiscuous early years.

To the thread topic, what are your thoughts on the LGBT agenda? It appears to have evolved well past "tolerance." Now it is approaching "forced participation." I know a young man that dropped out of high school when he was shamed as homophobic for not wearing a rainbow sticker and refusing to kiss another male student. Poor guy had had enough.

Orthodox Christians see homosexuality as a "disordered passion." How do you see it?

Congratulations on your last 7 years. Best wishes to a healthy future.
 
Pointy Elbows said:
@Crux, How did you behave as a gay man? Did you go to mono-relationships or more promiscuous? I purposefully know little of the gay life, other than stories of highly promiscuous early years.

To the thread topic, what are your thoughts on the LGBT agenda? It appears to have evolved well past "tolerance." Now it is approaching "forced participation." I know a young man that dropped out of high school when he was shamed as homophobic for not wearing a rainbow sticker and refusing to kiss another male student. Poor guy had had enough.

Orthodox Christians see homosexuality as a "disordered passion." How do you see it?

Congratulations on your last 7 years. Best wishes to a healthy future.
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I was considered a prude or very conversative as a gay man because I absolutely hated engaging in sodomistic acts. I think what I wanted was the companionship first and foremost, and was drawn to forming a relationship rather than going into promiscuity. I still engaged sexually in far more than what I ought to have done, but I was definitely seen as 'boring'. I was never flamboyant (those types really terrified me), I was always plain and down-to-earth, and now today even more so... blue collar, I don't think you'd ever suspect me to have that in my past if I didn't tell you.

My thoughts on the LGBT agenda: sick and evil. What more can I say? The transitioning of youths, puberty blockers, etc., horrifies me and fills me with rage. What if I had been born in this generation? Would I have been put down that path? That thought makes me sick. I can't even go to my bank without seeing a rainbow flag sign all year round. 'All are welcome here'. Great, so put the national flag then, not the tranny one.

I see homosexuality the same as the Orthodox would -- a disordered passion, violation of God's law. The Fiducia supplicans document from December of last year has been a source of great distress to me.
 
@Crux thanks for sharing your story here.
I have one gay acquaintance, who is not religious and has been attracted only to men his whole life.
I'm curious, were you ever attracted to women?

I've always considered same sex attraction to be just one of dozens of different weaknesses or failings we all have as men. Some men are easily tempted by gambling, and will ruin their whole life and even that of their family so that they can gamble. Others are extremely weak when it comes to drugs, and will commit all sorts of heinous acts so that they can get high. Other men are incorrigible philanderers and are incapable of staying loyal to their wife. Others become addicted to pornography, or gaming, or even food (gluttony).

In that sense, someone who is attracted to men is "born that way" but we are all "born" with natural predilections to be weak in some areas and strong in others. I cannot be tempted to gamble or overeat, but my fat friend clearly is very tempted by food, but likely doesn't face the same temptations and struggles that I do. As far as sex goes, biblically, neither straight sex or gay sex should occur outside of marriage. So whether you are attracted to a man or a woman, the proscription is the same.

Interestingly, fornication (or at least masturbation) is perhaps a universal temptation that we all have (since we are all attracted to someone). But the key is that we do not act on every idea that pops into our head that might give us pleasure (like doing heroin). Is that how you see it?

Is there anything you would tell a young person that had the feelings you did as a child to help them understand and not act on them?

Finally, I have a close family friend who suddenly declared herself a "lesbian" at age 26 and is going to "marry" her butch girlfriend. This is a girl who I've known for her entire life, and has never been attracted to girls, but suddenly got caught up in all these woke causes and after a sexual assault (yes, by a minority she was helping), and then a brief relationship with a boy that didn't work out, has decided she is a lesbian. I have a close relationship with her but even her parents can't talk to her about this. It's really bothering me but she has made gayness her entire persona, (that is ALL she posts about online) and I can't imagine even beginning how to begin to talk her out of such a public social statement. But for a 26 year old girl, a gay marriage is basically a death sentence in terms of family / children. Probably nothing I can do but just had to rant about it. Her dad just kinda shrugs and doesn't know if it's real, but has boomer trips to plan and a retirement fund to squander.
 
Rax Moscow said:
@Crux thanks for sharing your story here.
I have one gay acquaintance, who is not religious and has been attracted only to men his whole life.
I'm curious, were you ever attracted to women?

I've always considered same sex attraction to be just one of dozens of different weaknesses or failings we all have as men. Some men are easily tempted by gambling, and will ruin their whole life and even that of their family so that they can gamble. Others are extremely weak when it comes to drugs, and will commit all sorts of heinous acts so that they can get high. Other men are incorrigible philanderers and are incapable of staying loyal to their wife. Others become addicted to pornography, or gaming, or even food (gluttony).

In that sense, someone who is attracted to men is "born that way" but we are all "born" with natural predilections to be weak in some areas and strong in others. I cannot be tempted to gamble or overeat, but my fat friend clearly is very tempted by food, but likely doesn't face the same temptations and struggles that I do. As far as sex goes, biblically, neither straight sex or gay sex should occur outside of marriage. So whether you are attracted to a man or a woman, the proscription is the same.

Interestingly, fornication (or at least masturbation) is perhaps a universal temptation that we all have (since we are all attracted to someone). But the key is that we do not act on every idea that pops into our head that might give us pleasure (like doing heroin). Is that how you see it?

Is there anything you would tell a young person that had the feelings you did as a child to help them understand and not act on them?

Finally, I have a close family friend who suddenly declared herself a "lesbian" at age 26 and is going to "marry" her butch girlfriend. This is a girl who I've known for her entire life, and has never been attracted to girls, but suddenly got caught up in all these woke causes and after a sexual assault (yes, by a minority she was helping), and then a brief relationship with a boy that didn't work out, has decided she is a lesbian. I have a close relationship with her but even her parents can't talk to her about this. It's really bothering me but she has made gayness her entire persona, (that is ALL she posts about online) and I can't imagine even beginning how to begin to talk her out of such a public social statement. But for a 26 year old girl, a gay marriage is basically a death sentence in terms of family / children. Probably nothing I can do but just had to rant about it. Her dad just kinda shrugs and doesn't know if it's real, but has boomer trips to plan and a retirement fund to squander.
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At age 14-15 I had a sexual encounter with a girl my age. I had another sexual encounter with two different females in my early 20s. Both those females knew of my attraction to men and I think they were on a mission to 'convert' me, or prove to themselves that I loved them enough that they could conquer me. I can't say that I had real attraction to females though, not in the way I had for males. I had females around me, but no gay males (not yet anyway), and in fact the idea of having sex with a male was frightening to me, despite my attraction, because it seemed like such a dark world to me.

But... then I had a sexual encounter with a male, early 20s, and it 'felt right'. By that I mean there didn't seem to me to be any forced attraction. From that point forward it was males only, no more attempts with females.

Your question about what I would say to a young man having these thoughts -- please let me sit with that one today. I'll try to answer you later on.

Your other point about fornication and masturbation -- yes, that's how I see it also. But I will add that masturbation is different in that we have easier access to it than fornication, and reasoning with ourselves that we shouldn't act on it doesn't work if you're horny all the time and need to find relief.

As for the lesbian friend, like you I'm not sure what to say about that. She has maybe found some other woman with whom things 'feel right' like I said about myself above and has become convinced that it's the right thing to do for that reason.
 

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@Crux

Thank you for all your insight.
I'm sure reading you contributions is very interesting for all of us here.

My question:
Was faith and religion the only element that made you give up the homosexual lifestyle ??
Or perhaps were their other crucial factors that ultimately influenced you to give up homosexuality such as inability to have biological children with a male spouse, greater risk of sexually transmitted diseases, more infidelity in gay relationships, lack of "true love" with your partner(s), or ultimately just boredom or unsatisfaction with the gay lifestyle.

This is not an exhaustive list, so please add any any motivations that brought you to make your decision.
 
@Rax Moscow To answer your earlier question about what I'd say to a young man with these thoughts... remind him of the purpose of the sexual function to begin with, which is to say that it's not meant for gratuitous pleasure but to create a family within the confines of marriage to a woman. I'd also talk about the importance of responsibility as a man, and that doing what is right ought always to be his consideration over doing what he thinks will make him happy.

We always hear today things like 'you have to do what makes you happy' and this is a big part of the problem. Strong values need to be instilled, not the wishy washy happiness stuff.
 
Caduceus said:
@Crux

Thank you for all your insight.
I'm sure reading you contributions is very interesting for all of us here.

My question:
Was faith and religion the only element that made you give up the homosexual lifestyle ??
Or perhaps were their other crucial factors that ultimately influenced you to give up homosexuality such as inability to have biological children with a male spouse, greater risk of sexually transmitted diseases, more infidelity in gay relationships, lack of "true love" with your partner(s), or ultimately just boredom or unsatisfaction with the gay lifestyle.

This is not an exhaustive list, so please add any any motivations that brought you to make your decision.
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In fact all of tbose things you mentioned were contributing factors, every single one. We can add that I was reading some red pill stuff at time, and that's when I began questioning how I ended up on the path I did, i.e., was it really 'who I am' or had I been led astray by bad parenting or lgbt agenda or molestation etc.
 
The Penitent Man said:
Can we move the reformed gay chit chat to another thread please?
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I was about to post the same thing. There is a place for it but it needs its own place.

It can be underestimated how severely the description or sight of gay acts are abject for the normal man.

At one point I had a housemate who was gay. I mainly ignored his activities but one day I was sitting and eating my breakfast when they started kissing on the veranda in front of me and it was absolutely revolting, triggered a base level disgust I had never anticipated.

Gay tolerance is a psyop and goes beyond tolerance - it is moreover an attempt to force these things in front of people's faces then simultaneously force people not to listen to their gut level reactions to it.
 
stadtaffe said:
I was about to post the same thing. There is a place for it but it needs its own place.

It can be underestimated how severely the description or sight of gay acts are abject for the normal man.

At one point I had a housemate who was gay. I mainly ignored his activities but one day I was sitting and eating my breakfast when they started kissing on the veranda in front of me and it was absolutely revolting, triggered a base level disgust I had never anticipated.

Gay tolerance is a psyop and goes beyond tolerance - it is moreover an attempt to force these things in front of people's faces then simultaneously force people not to listen to their gut level reactions to it.
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I agree with everything you said but I just thought the ongoing discussion and topic were appropriate for a completely separate thread. I thought this was the gay news and commentary thread, not an autobiography.
 
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