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Holdenwang with the very political necktie was until last year president of the Verfassungsschutz.

Is Germany really going to allow it's gas pipelines to Russia to be blown up without criticism or comment and then permit it's #1 or #2 most popular political party to be crushed by a bunch of lawyers and a 1200 report saying that the party is illegal..

Just like what seems to have happened with Marine Le Pen - although in that case it was about the individual, not a whole party, including all its politicians and members.

What is going to happen in the eastern states of Germany where the AfD became the strongest party, albeit forced into opposition. Are they really going to just let the party be squished..
 
stadtaffe said:
Holdenwang with the very political necktie was until last year president of the Verfassungsschutz.

Is Germany really going to allow it's gas pipelines to Russia to be blown up without criticism or comment and then permit it's #1 or #2 most popular political party to be crushed by a bunch of lawyers and a 1200 report saying that the party is illegal..

Just like what seems to have happened with Marine Le Pen - although in that case it was about the individual, not a whole party, including all its politicians and members.

What is going to happen in the eastern states of Germany where the AfD became the strongest party, albeit forced into opposition. Are they really going to just let the party be squished..
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What exactly do you expect the people to do? Protests will get crushed like covid protests did. People will lose their jobs and maybe even get their children taken away, if they openly support what will be considered a national security threat.

The main issue is that CDU voters are frauds, thus, AfD voters simply don't have the numbers.

Anyway, more steps still have to be taken for an actual ban to get passed. But things are looking bleak for Germany.
 
Droughtmeat said:
What exactly do you expect the people to do? Protests will get crushed like covid protests did. People will lose their jobs and maybe even get their children taken away, if they openly support what will be considered a national security threat.
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They can't arrest 20% of the country. You're right though it has the same scare tactic flavour as the covid thing, with the threat that non-compliance will lead to all kinds of bad stuff, but even with that there was a contingent that didn't buy it.
 
What exactly do you expect the people to do? Protests will get crushed like covid protests did. People will lose their jobs and maybe even get their children taken away, if they openly support what will be considered a national security threat.
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If we compare potential pro-AfD protests with anti-lockdown craziness things are rather looking up, I think.
Not sure what you mean by covid protests getting crushed, mass opposition (in Germany, at least) to the official narrative was the reason why martial law and other regulations were ended. The whole purpose of lockdowns & vax mandates was convincing (read: forcing) people to get the jab, which almost one third of the German population didn't take (official numbers are still debatable but that's not my point) or took only partly. They couldn't get the numbers up higher and they had to drop all the restrictions, unvaccinated people were gathering & not wearing masks anyway.

So if we look at the potential number of AfD supporters, arresting or threatening 20% of the country with misdemeanors/fines/bad social credit or even a fraction of it for supporting AfD could cause some sort of Streisand effect. Look at Romania, they banned Georgescu, the anti-globalist presidential candidate who got 23% in the first round. The current candidate, Simion, who equally makes libtards freak out, got more than 40%! Not sure about France though.
 
vasalatlaning said:
Not sure what you mean by covid protests getting crushed, mass opposition (in Germany, at least) to the official narrative was the reason why martial law and other regulations were ended. The whole purpose of lockdowns & vax mandates was convincing (read: forcing) people to get the jab, which almost one third of the German population didn't take (official numbers are still debatable but that's not my point) or took only partly. They couldn't get the numbers up higher and they had to drop all the restrictions, unvaccinated people were gathering & not wearing masks anyway.
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I quote from BfDI: Mit Ablauf des 20. März 2022 ist die gesetzliche Verpflichtung zum 3G-Nachweis am Ar- beitsplatz jedoch ausgelaufen.

And the war in Ukkraine started on February 24, 2022. That's the real reason the pandemic ended everywhere almost as if it were synchronised.

As for unvaxxed Germans roaming around freely, I don't remember that part. Were they meeting up at home? Sure. But the protests had zero impact on travel, going to restaurants, the gym, going to work etc.
 
Droughtmeat said:
I quote from BfDI: Mit Ablauf des 20. März 2022 ist die gesetzliche Verpflichtung zum 3G-Nachweis am Ar- beitsplatz jedoch ausgelaufen.

And the war in Ukkraine started on February 24, 2022. That's the real reason the pandemic ended everywhere almost as if it were synchronised.

As for unvaxxed Germans roaming around freely, I don't remember that part. Were they meeting up at home? Sure. But the protests had zero impact on travel, going to restaurants, the gym, going to work etc.
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I don't think the special military operation in the Ukraine influenced it that much, brutal lockdowns were still going on in Australia all through the summer in 2022 and in China too. I remember that pretty accurately, after a while even the sheepish Chinese started getting fed up with lockdowns when the rest of the world had more freedom.

There were quiet "protests" (Montagsspaziergänge) every Monday in basically every German town, not real protests since people against the restrictions were just having a walk through town en-masse, but it still had some echo. Also there were loads of small businesses which explicitly didn't enforce 3G-rules & co, especially in the East.

I don't want to go off the tangent too much, so I'll get back to my point to say the AfD could, in terms of active and passive supporters, potentially benefit from receiving the negative spotlight in the media & all the ban threatenings.
 
Yes right wing extreme
Not right wing extreme
Yes right wing extreme
Not right wing extreme..

The AfD has succeeded with a legal challenge to the constitutional court labeling it (with an undisclosed 1200 page argumentation) as right wing extreme.

I don't think this could happen in America somehow, or many other western countries - that the constitution can so easily pull the rug out from underneath a political party as in Germany.

So now it is just a „rechtsextrem Verdachtsfall“ rather than „gesichert rechtsextrem“.

It's like the needle moved from orange up into the red for a few days but now it is back down in the orange.


This is like when they did a dawn raid on the editor of Compact Magazin, banned it, then unbanned it a few days later.

Also a bit like the stumbling around electing the new chancellor (who is folically challenged just like the previous one)

The AfD wants peace with Russia which is of course considered rechtsextrem these days.

There's a few other unpleasant things they've been doing in the background :
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Germany in Crisis Part 4: Wanderers and Seekers

This is the last of four reports on Germany in crisis. The preceding parts of this series are here, here, and here. DRESDEN—When Friedrich Merz is formally named Germany’s next chancellor on May 6, it will be a significant event and a nonevent all at once. The war-mongering Merz will lead the...
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Avoiding cheap gas from Russia to please Washington and removing longstanding barriers to getting Germany heavily into debt so as to enable more weapons to annoy Russia with. They will eventually provoke Russian retaliation if nothing corrects them.
 
Martin Sellner : Was passiert nach einem AfD-Verbot?

Rather dry discussion but interesting of the mechanics of what would happen. Not addressing the response of the people, just the mechanics of if a ban were to happen one day. He talks about some historical instances where this was done or attempted in the 1950s and 1960s to political parties.

The modern day NPD and Dritten Weg are more extreme than the AfD but there is no talk of banning them as they are small and not very popular at the moment.
 
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