Iran-Israeli Conflict Thread
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A lot of THAAD interceptors that could've been used for America's Golden Dome, but f- Americans, right?
A lot of THAAD interceptors that could've been used for America's Golden Dome, but f- Americans, right?
Yep. I mean now it just ensures BAE/Ratheon/L3 get a large purchase order for more weapon systems.... Self licking Ice cream cone
Agreed 100x.
Ideally we could find a reason to extricate our troops from the region all together, but apparently Israel and Saudi Arabian need us there to enforce their suppression of Irans proxies more than we need to focus on our own safety .... But I digress ...
These things are so expensive, it seems like it would be cheaper to let the missiles through than to try to stop them with THAADs.
I feel it would be way cheaper to let them get through and hit Israel because I couldn't give two *blanks* about Israel reaping what they've sewed.
I'd rather see a volley of them fired off at a remote controlled 737 for funsies than waste one (((gifted))) to Israel.
Cheaper yes.
But remember for every 1 person actually killed the Israeli government is gonna demand like 6 million scalps on the other side.
Both THAAD and Patriot should be retired and replaced by the SM-6 family of interceptors. Since these can be launched from ground, sea and air platforms, adopting them as the primary interceptor for all branches and ordering in bulk would streamline their production and lower per unit costs.
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just for kicks...
You smelled BS, and for good reason. Iranian missiles carry a payload between 500 and 1500kg depending on the missile type and size. Any of the ordnance quantities mentioned are not nearly enough to damage let alone level a residential area in a 800 meter radius, the structures in the area surrounding the immediate impact zone would limit fragmentation and blast radius. That being said even in open terrain a 2000 pounder JDAM has a maximum pressure radius that is less far than 800 meter. Your gut feeling and muscle memory developed on the back off seeing missile impact imagery from other conflict zones is telling you that.
In general these Iranian missiles have become hyped up. As said before, Iranian missiles carry a 500-1500kg payload which seems much but dwarfs in comparison to let's say the capabilities of the F35. An F35 can carry close to 10 tons of ordnance per sortie, which is equivalent to 7 - 20 Iranian missiles depending on the warheads.
I am afraid that's a little too much thinking on your side Comrade P. One is supposed to regurgitate and not question the easily digestible thirdworldist narratives scooped out. That's zero likes and zero responses on a very clearcut question for you, hope you got the message.
The above is of course said in jest, but the point stands. Yes, there are glaring and blatant contradictions in the pro-Iran narratives ran both in this thread and beyond. In fact, many of these logic defying voids are so huge one could navigate a container ship through them. Member @Sandalwood Peak actually had a great post on the matter, link is below. One could easily double that list in size bytheway, but it's a good start nonetheless.
That's how it goes. When the surface gets scraped off it just doesn't make much sense. So there is extreme internet censorship in Israel (Narrative A), but only when an argument requires it. Ergo when grandiose and absurd claims (1/3 of Tel Aviv reduced to rubble) need on the ground reporting from international camera crews, vloggers and professional photographers you turn off Narrative A. However, when grandiose and absurd claims need substance (many Israeli military sites lie in ruins due to Iranian strikes) yet there is zero proof, you turn on Narrative A and start bluffing your way to the finishline. Also remember to immediately smear anyone that does not swallow the BS as 'Hasbara', 'ZOG' and 'a contrarevolutionary defeatist'.
Can't lose with a set up like this, at least that what the turtlenecks must have been the thinking.
I am afraid that's a little too much thinking on your side Comrade P. One is supposed to regurgitate and not question the easily digestible thirdworldist narratives scooped out. That's zero likes and zero responses on a very clearcut question for you, hope you got the message.
The above is of course said in jest, but the point stands. Yes, there are glaring and blatant contradictions in the pro-Iran narratives ran both in this thread and beyond. In fact, many of these logic defying voids are so huge one could navigate a container ship through them. Member @Sandalwood Peak actually had a great post on the matter, link is below. One could easily double that list in size bytheway, but it's a good start nonetheless.
That's how it goes. When the surface gets scraped off it just doesn't make much sense. So there is extreme internet censorship in Israel (Narrative A), but only when an argument requires it. Ergo when grandiose and absurd claims (1/3 of Tel Aviv reduced to rubble) need on the ground reporting from international camera crews, vloggers and professional photographers you turn off Narrative A. However, when grandiose and absurd claims need substance (many Israeli military sites lie in ruins due to Iranian strikes) yet there is zero proof, you turn on Narrative A and start bluffing your way to the finishline. Also remember to immediately smear anyone that does not swallow the BS as 'Hasbara', 'ZOG' and 'a contrarevolutionary defeatist'.
Can't lose with a set up like this, at least that what the turtlenecks must have been the thinking.
Perhaps a better question here is, if the damage to Tel Aviv and other Israeli targets were minimal, why would Israel have maintained a draconian ban against filming affected areas?
It would have obviously been a big win for Israel and demoralizing to Iran and allies to show that their attacks on Israel were puny, if indeed there was little damage done. The fact that the Israelis didn't show the actual state of Tel Aviv and other targets indicates that it was an uncomfortable reality for them.
Common sense.
Also, if the damage to Israel were minimal, and the war was really a one-sided Israeli affair as clamored by the resident zio-entusiast LaNegra, Israel would never have stopped that 12 day war.
Once again, common sense.
There were wide celebrations in Iran in the aftermath of that 12 day battle, and widespread consternation on the Israeli side, due to the extent of the damage there.
As to the Penitent Man's question - in a metro area of 2-3 million, we have seen very little in terms of footage posted online, we would have had hundreds, if not thousands of posts otherwise. Their ban did not stop 100% of the posts, but pretty damn close, it was actually very widely enforced and followed.
One final point - LaNegra's analysis of the destructive power of Iranian hypersonic missiles has a glaring omission: the destructive power of the kinetic energy of 1+ ton missile reentry vehicle bearing in at mach 5+, while in his presentation he used the 2,000lb bombs, which land at subsonic speeds, and have less than 30 times the kinetic energy of a hypersonic missile (1/2 mass times speed squared). Missile systems like the Oreshnik derive far more destructive power from their kinetic impact than from their TNT payload.
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One can only hope that this means the Russaboos will finally stop spamming their grotesque narratives surrounding the Su-35 and S400 sale, and by extension quietly drop the pretense that Pooty is, in the shadows and with a selfless heart, working against International Jewry by building up Iran as a regional superpower through both weapon deliveries and underpinning its Axis.
The opposite obviously was and is true. For clarity's sake and worth repeating, Kosher Vlad has rugpulled the ayatollahs about half a dozen times in the last decade alone, with noone apparently ever noticing that miraculously Israel seemed to be benefiting from P's shenanigans the most. The latest to one chutzpah: after Egypt cancelled its Su35 order the Russians simply dumped the excess airframes in Algeria - even though the Algerians never made such a request as they instead have an Su57 order standing out. Putin being Putin however, just needed an alibi as to why Russia wasn't able to keep its end of deal with the Iranians. To add insult to injury, Russia is now offering fasttracked Su35s to India. Conclusion: no modern Russian airframes for Tehran, Iran will be kept waiting until the end of the decade and maybe when Israel has its 6th generation fighter the bucks with turbans will get some crumbs to suckle on.
Meanwhile the Kremlin simps just keep on BS-ing, like never ending broken records with a quota to fill. Read the other day in this thread that in the near future Russia will simply hand over its S400s to Iran, because reasons. Instant face-palm, it's like dealing with an alcoholic uncle who just keeps finding ways to bamboozle. The latest chutzpah which like most bad news went unreported in this thread: on day 11 of the war the Iranian FM Aragchi concluded his Geneva trip and travelled to Moscow for a last ditch attempt to garner Russian support. Man literally begged for the Kremlin's backing citing the 2024 Strategic Partnership. Big P. just sat there and calmly stated that Russia has no obligation to help anyone, which is in layman's terms a polite F off.
Tehran a day later signed on to a US imposed ceasefire. The only correct decision left, internationally isolated and in a downwards spiral as it was.
Yet the show must go on and so does this circus. Now it's the Changs who apparantly have promised to step up and into the limelight. Big question marks on those assertions, there is a lot of wishful thinking and projection there. But at least the Chinese have a widely known love for shekels, which makes a future deal a lot more probable.
Not that it matters much though. Any deal on the acquisition of J10s will take years to materialize, and that's a rather big problem noone seems ready to address. Airframe production, crew training, preparation of facilities, necessity on integrating to be acquired AD and radar systems, and so on. Calculation below is under the condition that a contract will get inked before the end of the year, something which none of the dozen or so linked sites allude to. Military channels mention a likely 4-5 year gap period. Cut that in half for the argument's sake and then ask yourself whether the current trajectory indicates that Iran can sit out the next 2+ years fully exposed.
In short, Iran is kinda cooked. With each confrontation, whether by proxy or direct, the pendulum swings further away from the centre and therefor starting position 21 months ago. Iran has by now lost its proxy deterrent, it has lost its nascent nuclear deterrent, its ballistic missile deterrent is not enough to hold back let alone degrade Israel's military capabilities, and has proven to become less effective in a relative short timeframe. Iran's Airforce, AD umbrella and radar network are all destroyed and will take years to restore. Tehran's military leadership is dead, and its main institutions and organizations exposed as flawed and riddled with enemy infiltrators. Iran's economy is in the gutter and its currency is the world's worst performing. Iran's only ace left up its sleeve is the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, yet that banger has been preliminary shot down by the Chinese on whose oil sales the ayatollahs depend for their direct survival.
Iran is dominated on the escalation ladder and isolated on world stage. Only in English language Dissident Right echochambers do the chuds still pump out feel good stories on some form of 'BRICS solidarity', it's as if June 13-25 never happened. Classic case of falling for the memes and grifter BS artists.
The few red lines that were left standing were trampled in the dust. For reference, just remember how both BS artist and full time clown Tucker Carlson and the IRGC bigwigs promised their respective audiences 1000s of dead US servicemen if Iran's nuclear facilities were attacked and destroyed. Well, that just happened and all DC had to deal with was a telegraphed Iranian fireworks show on a emptied out al Udeid AB, with only 1/14 missiles fired hitting their target. That's called resetting the power dynamics in your favor.
It's grim and if it were up to the Israelis the Twelve Day War will only serve as a stepping stone towards an even more destructive and eloborate campaign. Their fingers are itching, and the bought off media channels are already attempting to re-build doomsday narratives on Iranian ambitions, just like the Likudniks are using their lobbygroups to get Trump to unblock his June 25 ceasefire call.
Ergo the only thing standing between an even harder Israeli delivered asswhooping is DC's conviction that 1. immediate regime change is not likely delivered from an extensive Israeli air campaign and that a long term grind doesn't warrant volatile and unstable financial markets, nor a ballooning oil price, 2. that the Indo-Pacific needs increased attention whereas grinding Iran will deplete stocks and redivert resources away from DC's newly assigned core business, and 3. that the Iran case has lost its urgency after Fordow and the destruction of Iran's nuclear program.
If that equation changes, which most likely will happen somewhere down the line, Iran is in deep sh*t.
"40 J-10CEs ear-marked for Iran are probably already waiting to be delivered."
"Last November, at the #ZhuhaiAirShow (which I covered in one of my videos for the Valise Diplo channel), the commander of the Iranian Air Force climbed aboard a J-10CE (export version, the one bought by the Pakistan Air Force).
The transaction was certainly made at that time. Pilot training must have begun shortly afterwards. So it's already been six months of training.
As far as manufacturing is concerned, the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC), which makes the J-10 and J-20, has just switched to accelerated production.
A J-20, which used to take 30 days to produce (already a very short timeframe) can now be assembled in 8 days!The change comes from the gradual introduction since 2023 of the “Pulse Assembly Lines”, of which there are 5 for the J-20.
This means that 220 J-20 aircrafts can be produced each year.The 40 J-10CEs ear-marked for Iran are probably already waiting to be delivered."
The J-10C is at the lower/mid end of the Chinese fighter fleet, similar to the Mirage 2000-5, and is set to be replaced by the J-35 and j-20. China currently produces 20 new J-20s every month, they are producing them so fast that their new pilot training is lagging behind aircraft production. So China could expedite used J-10Cs to Iran, the same way France sells used Mirage and Rafale to lower budget clients like Croatia.
I wouldn't be surprised if the first batch of J-10Cs arrives in Iran before the end of the year.
"Last November, at the #ZhuhaiAirShow (which I covered in one of my videos for the Valise Diplo channel), the commander of the Iranian Air Force climbed aboard a J-10CE (export version, the one bought by the Pakistan Air Force).
The transaction was certainly made at that time. Pilot training must have begun shortly afterwards. So it's already been six months of training.
As far as manufacturing is concerned, the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC), which makes the J-10 and J-20, has just switched to accelerated production.
A J-20, which used to take 30 days to produce (already a very short timeframe) can now be assembled in 8 days!The change comes from the gradual introduction since 2023 of the “Pulse Assembly Lines”, of which there are 5 for the J-20.
This means that 220 J-20 aircrafts can be produced each year.The 40 J-10CEs ear-marked for Iran are probably already waiting to be delivered."
The J-10C is at the lower/mid end of the Chinese fighter fleet, similar to the Mirage 2000-5, and is set to be replaced by the J-35 and j-20. China currently produces 20 new J-20s every month, they are producing them so fast that their new pilot training is lagging behind aircraft production. So China could expedite used J-10Cs to Iran, the same way France sells used Mirage and Rafale to lower budget clients like Croatia.
I wouldn't be surprised if the first batch of J-10Cs arrives in Iran before the end of the year.
It's been nearly a month since the start of the Twelve Day War and so far we've seen zero proof of Iran's super duper severe and high casualty strikes on high value Israel sites, which according to the BS artists were kept from the world to deny Iran its well deserved victory lap. Not a single grainy video, not a single first hand account and not a single satellite picture. Quite literally nothing except some lousy attempts at gaslighting.
Reminder: when Iran struck a handful of Israeli bases during the October 2024 True Promise ll operation, Maxar satellite imagery was all over the internet within the week. Kinda like how we are getting similar and near daily satellite updates on the situation in Fordow right now. In addition Chinese satellite imagery company back in October 2024 were feeding their part of the internet the imagery. Yet so far nothing and overall all the big online thirdworld snake oil vending channels seem to have quietly abandoned the narrative. Ergo the Iranian claims on a dozen or more leveled Israeli bases are horse manure, and fit in well in a long list of other bizarre claims, which per usual almost immediately get picked up by Western turdworldist grifter bottom feeders without a speck of critical thought.
Released 3 days after TP2, where are the satellite pictures this time?
Numbers indeed don't lie and that's why the con artists get so flustered seeing them mentioned. Four mentions from Lil Coop and several text of high grade cope just to grudgingly have to admit that yes, most of the Iranian missiles indeed didn't reach the target and that the Israeli+US AD umbrella, unlike Iran's, to an 80-90 percent degree actually works.
Reality is that Israeli AD is multilayered and top tier quality wise - and admittedly it's also expensive hence the harping. US assets decimate Iranian missile waves above the Persian Gulf and Iraq, Israeli jets take out missiles over Syria and Jordan and the Arrow 3, THAAD and David Sling systems engage Iranian missiles in or near Israeli territory. Just because footage doesn't appear in your carefully curated and sanitized echochamber doesn't mean it ain't happening. Type in 'interception Israel' on Twitter and watch the fireworkshow from a distance. As for the 'strict censorship', there was instant and never ending footage of the few daily hits, with TV camera teams and live streamers strutting around the impact zone and everything.