Donald Trump: Criticism & Debate Thread

From an outsider perspective Trump seems to have been doing good things in immigration and LGBTQ. I passed by car through an US embassy and no gay flag. But economically he is a disaster. And the level of his incompetence and the people who is giving him advice is breathtaking. Bessent is a stupid. He is a complete retard. The fallout from his complete retarded economic policies will start to be felt sooner or later.

I think Musk lost respect from Trump. When Musk lost an election he was sponsoring. And Musk clearly started to question Trump with the tariffs. Tariffs were the moment everybody started wondering if Trump was mentally sane. TACO Trump. TRUMP ALWAYS CHICKENS OUT. Trump lost power and gravitas when he chickened out and was bitchslapped by China. And like a good weak bully bitch instead of facing the thougher opponent came against EU. It´s not the first time this happens. US going after EU after China hands his ass to him. But they might have a surprise this time.

Tariffs is almost as if US is sanctioning itself. Isolating itself from trade. The result cannot be brilliant. The focus should have been to isolate China. But he is an idiot guided by even bigger idiots.

Either way this will cost Trump a lot of support. He will lose more than Musk. More importantly if this isn´t a bad latin america soap opera Trump just lost the Tech bros support. The tech bros will turn on Trump. Social media, etc. Zuckerberg started to purge right wing accounts recently. If there´s another fuckery in elections he wont have their support to stop it. Trump is an impulsive selfish ungrateful retarded cunt with no hindsight or medium term thinking. He should be in a street fair selling appliances stolen by gypsies. Even though he is doing good things with immigration and LGBTQOUHCHIDUBCIUSBIJCOIECHDIU

Anyway either way he shouldn´t have let it reach this point. It´s bad leadership. He could´ve easily managed Musk. But he is dumb and stupid surrounded by even bigger stupids.
 
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magoo said:
From an outsider perspective Trump seems to have been doing good things in immigration and LGBTQ. I passed by car through an US embassy and no gay flag. But economically he is a disaster. And the level of his incompetence and the people who is giving him advice is breathtaking. Bessent is a stupid. He is a complete retard. The fallout from his complete retarded economic policies will start to be felt sooner or later.

I think Musk lost respect from Trump. When Musk lost an election he was sponsoring. And Musk clearly started to question Trump with the tariffs. Tariffs were the moment everybody started wondering if Trump was mentally sane. TACO Trump. TRUMP ALWAYS CHICKENS OUT. Trump lost power and gravitas when he chickened out and was bitchslapped by China. And like a good weak bully bitch instead of facing the thougher opponent came against EU. It´s not the first time this happens. US going after EU after China hands his ass to him. But they might have a surprise this time.

Tariffs is almost as if US is sanctioning itself. Isolating itself from trade. The result cannot be brilliant. The focus should have been to isolate China. But he is an idiot guided by even bigger idiots.

Either way this will cost Trump a lot of support. He will lose more than Musk. More importantly if this isn´t a bad latin america soap opera Trump just lost the Tech bros support. The tech bros will turn on Trump. Social media, etc. Zuckerberg started to purge right wing accounts recently. If there´s another fuckery in elections he wont have their support to stop it. Trump is an impulsive selfish ungrateful retarded cunt with no hindsight or medium term thinking. He should be in a street fair selling appliances stolen by gypsies. Even though he is doing good things with immigration and LGBTQOUHCHIDUBCIUSBIJCOIECHDIU

Anyway either way he shouldn´t have let it reach this point. It´s bad leadership. He could´ve easily managed Musk. But he is dumb and stupid surrounded by even bigger stupids.
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Trump hosts gay mirages, he doesn’t do jack when it comes to LGBT.
 
I'm sure any day now Trump will designate Antifa a terrorist organization and have their funders arrested for terrorist charges, even if they happen to be business investors/partners of him and his family. Right?

 
Trump vs. Trumpism
Greg Johnson
June 13, 2025

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I got lot of pushback last year when I declared that Donald Trump has always been the weakest link in the Trump movement. I am genuinely grateful for the good things that Trump has done. But recent events have only confirmed my judgment that he is a weak, foolish, and unprincipled man.

First, there are the California riots against immigration enforcement. Immigration is the most important issue facing America. Nothing else matters if America continues to decline into a non-white, anti-white dystopia. It is make or break, do or die, a matter of existence for the American people. We need mass deportations of illegal immigrants, then we need a general policy of remigration directed at non-whites who are here legally. Without this, it is only a matter of time before the Left gets back into power. The Left will then permanently crush any real opposition, and white genocide will kick into overdrive. That’s why millions of nonwhites were brought here in the first place: to establish a one-party Leftist state.

This is also an existential issue for Trump and everyone around him. If the Left gets back into power, Trump, his family, and people like J. D. Vance, Stephen Miller, and Elon Musk, will end up in prison or exile.

Given the stakes, Trump’s response has been astonishingly weak. He should have authorized the use of lethal force on Day One. Then there would not have been Day Two. Now protests (read “riots”) are planned for up to 2,000 locations around the country on Saturday, June 14th.

Trump can’t plead ignorance here. He was president on May 26, 2020, when the first George Floyd riot engulfed Minneapolis. Because the riot was not suppressed forcibly on Day One, protests and riots spread to more than 1,600 cities and towns in all fifty states. Between 19 and 25 people were killed, with up to two billion dollars damage to property and livelihoods. If on Day One, 15 rioters had been shot dead, it would have saved lives, homes, and livelihoods if it had quelled further violence.

The first night of riots is the fault of the rioters. Every subsequent night is the fault of Trump for being weak.

Second, while Los Angeles was burning over immigration enforcement, Trump took to Truth Social to emit an astonishing “Boomer post” on immigration:



This is a disaster, akin to Trump’s betrayal on immigration last year, when he declared that he was only concerned with deporting criminal illegal aliens, not the people who are somehow needed for the economy. Newsflash: all illegal aliens are criminals, because they broke the law to get here. Moreover, none of these aliens are “needed” by the US economy. Employers simply prefer to have them here, because they undercut American wages. It is laughable to suggest that people picking lettuce and changing sheets are irreplaceable. These are low-skilled jobs that anyone can do. The only thing employers fear is having to pay their workers more. If Trump is not going to enforce immigration laws for scabs undercutting American wages, then he might as well declare a mass amnesty right now.

Trump was elected on a nationalist and populist program. Assenting to mass illegal immigration in order to undercut American wages is neither nationalism nor populism. It is Republicanism at its foulest. This is a disgusting betrayal of the 77 million Americans who voted for Trump.

Fortunately, as with the H1B visa debate in December of 2024, there has been widespread pushback from the increasingly nationalist, populist, and openly racialist Right, including figures like Matt Walsh and Charlie Kirk. Arguments formerly made on sites like Counter-Currents, VDare, and American Renaissance are now being echoed by Republican influencers with huge audiences. It never would have happened, however, without our movement and its platforms.

Last year’s betrayal was due to pressure from Elon Musk and big tech. This year’s betrayal seems to be due to pressure from agribusiness and the hotel industry. But America is not an economic zone. It is a nation, the homeland of the American people. Private enterprise is a fine thing. But whenever there is a conflict between business interests and the common good of the nation, the nation must always prevail. Until oligarchs begin to fear the wrath of the people, these betrayals will continue.

Third, Trump compounded his betrayal on immigration by announcing that he has agreed with China to allow up to 500,000 Chinese students to study at US Universities, a huge increase from the approximately 275,000 currently studying in America, in exchange for China exporting more magnets and rare-earth minerals. Apparently, Trump has come under pressure from the automotive and other industries to cut a deal.

This is another disastrous betrayal: even more white Americans will lose educational opportunities to the Chinese. Beyond that, many of Trump’s policies are being driven by the security threat of China. This deal simply exacerbates that threat. It prolongs American economic dependence on Chinese products while opening America to even more Chinese spies and saboteurs. Even setting aside the race-replacement angle, this is terrible.

All of this illustrates that the battle of ideas is not over. We must constantly rehash the basics of white identity politics to an ever-increasing audience of normies. Moreover, the establishment is out in full force to deflect people away from white identity politics into various color-blind globalist dead ends.

A case in point is the disgraceful performance of UK Reform Party politician Richard Tice, who when confronted with white demographic displacement in Britain tried every deflection in the book to avoid talking about the only essential group in Great Britain, the white people who constitute the English, Scottish, Welsh, and Irish peoples. Tice spoke of “British born” people, which of course can be of any race. He spoke of Britain as a “Christian nation,” but Christians can be of any race. And, when pressed on the issue, simply said that it isn’t his problem because he will be dead long before whites become a minority. It would disqualify any politician if he said he were indifferent to the extinction of a snail or salamander. It should be even more disqualifying for him to be indifferent to the extinction of his own race.

Relax Richard. We White Nationalists are playing a very long game. Things are breaking our way faster than I ever imagined, but remigration will take a very long time. Our white homelands will only be restored long after you are dead. So it is nothing to fear. Just golf, grill, and die snug in your bed. But don’t get in our way.
 
Read_Lives_of_Saints said:
I got lot of pushback last year when I declared that Donald Trump has always been the weakest link in the Trump movement.
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It's not really betrayal by Trump, it's him not living up to expectations.

Trump grandstanding during the campaigns with things he doesn't plan to actually do; lock her up. Him "sleeping with the enemy" by endorsing deep state shills. Him and his people using his personality cult to shame "your President needs your support" is distasteful. His devotion to Juice is disappointing. Him lying while he's out and about doing his "deals".

A lot of these things are explained away as necessary. At the end of the day, you weren't actually betrayed but rather taken advantage of, whatever the end result may be.

Most people will reject this but there's two things at play absolving Trump of too much responsibility. The First is that the world is very globalized, beyond your wildest dreams, so people's vision of MAGA is kind of non-feasible. So in a black pill way Americans that are happy with any positive development are the realists. The second point, given the amount of rot and globalization, everything that Trump does would have to be deep state approved. It doesn't mean that everything he does is bad, but rather the fact that his ideas are not strictly his own, they've been war gamed and greenlit.

At the end of the day, it seems the "deep state" is our Area 51. They all will hide the truth because we're not ready for it.
 
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