Donald Trump: Criticism & Debate Thread

What is "zealous" about me? I'm not Bar Kochba or anything remotely similar.

Last I checked nearly all of the Apostles were married and had kids. The "right" doesn't mean anything to me, necessarily. The biggest reason? I don't see anyone on it, truly.
Not accusing you of being a zealot. Just pointing out that being a zealot or a disciple are really the only two paths for someone with a conservative mindset. The first one feigns some religiosity, but is more concerned with political victory. The second is all about the spiritual, but loses politically.
 
Good, burn it down, let the DNC take over and run it into the ground.
This is what's going to happen anyway, no matter how much of a front the Republicans put up. They have accomplished nothing that they campaigned on, and have gone full ZOG while they were at it. They've already been milked for their usefulness this go around, so now it's the Dems turn to step up and continue the agenda.
 
This is what's going to happen anyway, no matter how much of a front the Republicans put up. They have accomplished nothing that they campaigned on, and have gone full ZOG while they were at it. They've already been milked for their usefulness this go around, so now it's the Dems turn to step up and continue the agenda.

Two sides of the same coin.
 
This is what's going to happen anyway, no matter how much of a front the Republicans put up. They have accomplished nothing that they campaigned on, and have gone full ZOG while they were at it. They've already been milked for their usefulness this go around, so now it's the Dems turn to step up and continue the agenda.
What's your view on "accelerationism" now given what you just said? I hear you.
 
What's your view on "accelerationism" now given what you just said? I hear you.
I just want to answer. My view is acceleration is really just having one party in power. Right now, it is very easy to convince people they can't vote their way out of it. The elites only want one thing after our elections and that is gridlock. If they can get gridlock, then it is much easier to sell why nothing is getting done. When one party is in control completely and nothing gets done, this sales job becomes much tougher.
 
What's your view on "accelerationism" now given what you just said? I hear you.
Ironically, having these hardcore leftists run the show tips more people to your side. When you have Republicans in the office, all they do is punt when it comes to any serious Nationalist agenda, and they galvanize the left while they are at it. This is the logic behind accelerationism. It's very true, as ugly as it sounds. My personal approach is not accelerationism, I just "let it be." It's out of my hands. I recognize that the system is gamed and that the American voter is nothing more than an observer under the illusion that he has a say.
 
Ironically, having these hardcore leftists run the show tips more people to your side. When you have Republicans in the office, all they do is punt when it comes to any serious Nationalist agenda, and they galvanize the left while they are at it. This is the logic behind accelerationism. It's very true, as ugly as it sounds. My personal approach is not accelerationism, I just "let it be." It's out of my hands. I recognize that the system is gamed and that the American voter is nothing more than an observer under the illusion that he has a say.
I have to give Trump credit for one thing. No one is better at motivating, organizing, and supplementing the hardcore left than Trump is. Right now the left is on fire, the normies not only talking about "F*** ICE" but now wearing t-shirts in public with no push back, is quite remarkable. Trump is the Antifa's best weapon.
 
Ironically, having these hardcore leftists run the show tips more people to your side. When you have Republicans in the office, all they do is punt when it comes to any serious Nationalist agenda, and they galvanize the left while they are at it. This is the logic behind accelerationism. It's very true, as ugly as it sounds. My personal approach is not accelerationism, I just "let it be." It's out of my hands. I recognize that the system is gamed and that the American voter is nothing more than an observer under the illusion that he has a say.

Very true, republicans are worthless but there is the aspect that dems did a massive amount of damage with all the "refugees" they let in and cooofid hoax damage to society in general not to mention to the economy. Although the economy part I'm not sure would have been different under republicucks, maybe societal it wouldn't have been as bad. You could include some climate change garbage in there as something which matters as regulations can hurt our day to day lives through various factors.

Everything else it's probably no different which side wins, our lives don't change day to day other than if you let social media sky is falling retardation rile you up like the lefty loony's do. But those two things specifically did make a huge difference they mattered, especially the "refugees".
 
Very true, republicans are worthless but there is the aspect that dems did a massive amount of damage with all the "refugees" they let in and cooofid hoax damage to society in general not to mention to the economy. Although the economy part I'm not sure would have been different under republicucks, maybe societal it wouldn't have been as bad. You could include some climate change garbage in there as something which matters as regulations can hurt our day to day lives through various factors.

Everything else it's probably no different which side wins, our lives don't change day to day other than if you let social media sky is falling retardation rile you up like the lefty loony's do. But those two things specifically did make a huge difference they mattered, especially the "refugees".
Even on those big issues, I still don't see a difference on which side wins. Trump let Fauci run the country for his last year in office, all while having the power to fire him. To keep you placated, he would put out an occasional tweet against Fauci. Not only that, Trump has never backed down from being the Vax's biggest salesman.

We will see how the refugees play out, but I think we all already know that they are here to stay, no matter how tough someone like Trump talks. The latest fiascos with ICE are going to be used as proof that Americans shouldn't try to enforce immigration law and police their borders.
 
Even on those big issues, I still don't see a difference on which side wins. Trump let Fauci run the country for his last year in office, all while having the power to fire him. To keep you placated, he would put out an occasional tweet against Fauci. Not only that, Trump has never backed down from being the Vax's biggest salesman.

We will see how the refugees play out, but I think we all already know that they are here to stay, no matter how tough someone like Trump talks. The latest fiascos with ICE are going to be used as proof that Americans shouldn't try to enforce immigration law and police their borders.
I am really surprised that the people who really run this country didn't let Trump get some small wins to get young men to buy into this nonsense again. I mean, I am glad they didn't, but I am so surprised they miscalculated this move. They should have let Trump do something tiny and meaningless like send out $5,000 checks for economic stimulus. But they couldn't even allow that, LOL. Idiots.
 
Even on those big issues, I still don't see a difference on which side wins. Trump let Fauci run the country for his last year in office, all while having the power to fire him. To keep you placated, he would put out an occasional tweet against Fauci. Not only that, Trump has never backed down from being the Vax's biggest salesman.

We will see how the refugees play out, but I think we all already know that they are here to stay, no matter how tough someone like Trump talks. The latest fiascos with ICE are going to be used as proof that Americans shouldn't try to enforce immigration law and police their borders.

Coofid I could make an argument wouldn't have been as detrimental but I won't waste my time defending that, I don't care to both sides were a joke either way. But the "refugees" wouldn't be half the problem they are now in my opinion if for the only reason for votes. Thats not to defend anyone, every politician can rot in hell.
 
Trump let Fauci run the country for his last year in office, all while having the power to fire him.
This one was the biggest issue for me with Trump that I can at least recall as I type this. How he treated Scott Atlas, right on everything, fired in favor of the criminal conspirators Fauci and Birx, is unforgivable unless you realize that what we suspected (controlled opp) is true. Sad to admit it, but there is no other explanation at this point, and we have to be honest, mature and admit what is clear.
 
This one was the biggest issue for me with Trump that I can at least recall as I type this. How he treated Scott Atlas, right on everything, fired in favor of the criminal conspirators Fauci and Birx, is unforgivable unless you realize that what we suspected (controlled opp) is true. Sad to admit it, but there is no other explanation at this point, and we have to be honest, mature and admit what is clear.
Peter Navarro actually has spoken about this in great detail as the only trump appointee who has always served in both admins.

Says Trump counted Fauci on several things but that there was too much political inertia behind Fauci for Trump to shit can.

If you remember the impeachments and all the other activity at the time, Trump wasn't in a strong position.

This will only be worse this time around if the Dems win the mid terms.
 
Peter Navarro actually has spoken about this in great detail as the only trump appointee who has always served in both admins.

Says Trump counted Fauci on several things but that there was too much political inertia behind Fauci for Trump to shit can.

If you remember the impeachments and all the other activity at the time, Trump wasn't in a strong position.

This will only be worse this time around if the Dems win the mid terms.

Fauci was held up as an idol by half the population maybe more at the start because even "conservatives" were scared of the hoax. How long was our thread on RVF where everyone was fear mongering I even remember roosh banning dissenters if I'm not mistaken, it took a little bit before even we realized it was all a joke and by that time a lot of the population was in too deep to ever wake up.
 
The problem with Covid wasn't the shutting down, nor the trying to stay separated. We did have a new strain of influenza that was deadly to many people, and caused others to be hospitalized for extended periods, overwhelming our medical infrastructure.

The problem with Covid was, there was no uniform Federal govt. response to it. It varied state by state, there was no leadership from Trump on it, because Trump is a fraud who just works for Wall Street. Had Trump done the right thing and shut things down until we figured out what Covid really was, then Trump's owners on Wall Street would have lost trillions.

Then, instead of doing a collective shutdown, which Trump could have done using the NDA, Trump allows small business to crumble with state mandated shutdowns and no backing by the Federal Govt. Then Trump bails out Blackrock, the most evil entity on the planet, with our tax dollars, which causes the massive inflation we are still dealing with 6 years later.

Trump handed Covid as badly and chickenshit-like as possible. HIs friends on Wall Street made trillions off his policies and the rest of us still suffer to this day.
 
The problem with Covid wasn't the shutting down, nor the trying to stay separated. We did have a new strain of influenza that was deadly to many people, and caused others to be hospitalized for extended periods, overwhelming our medical infrastructure.

The problem with Covid was, there was no uniform Federal govt. response to it. It varied state by state, there was no leadership from Trump on it, because Trump is a fraud who just works for Wall Street. Had Trump done the right thing and shut things down until we figured out what Covid really was, then Trump's owners on Wall Street would have lost trillions.

Then, instead of doing a collective shutdown, which Trump could have done using the NDA, Trump allows small business to crumble with state mandated shutdowns and no backing by the Federal Govt. Then Trump bails out Blackrock, the most evil entity on the planet, with our tax dollars, which causes the massive inflation we are still dealing with 6 years later.

Trump handed Covid as badly and chickenshit-like as possible. HIs friends on Wall Street made trillions off his policies and the rest of us still suffer to this day.

I would love to have a rational conversation about this instead of just making it about Trump. I'm surprised to hear someone say that things should have shut down even more.

When Covid happened nobody knew what to do, it was an impossible situation where you were damned if you did and damned if you didn't, your sentiments reflect that. Then when rational people finally had a bit of grasp on the situation more than half the population was whipped into hysteria and thought grandma would die if they left their house. Keep in mind us on RVF knew about covid weeks before it hit the USA so we had it figured out a lot faster than the general population, many of them never figured it out at all, but even on RVF for a while guys were clamoring for a vaccine and thought it was going to be body in the streets, hospitals overrun and riots over food....

I do agree that the economical ramifications of covid have yet to be fully felt, we haven't seen anything yet in regards to that. You can't triple the money in the economy with the majority of it going to things that do not serve the public, that is a massive elephant in the room.
 
I would love to have a rational conversation about this instead of just making it about Trump. I'm surprised to hear someone say that things should have shut down even more.

When Covid happened nobody knew what to do, it was an impossible situation where you were damned if you did and damned if you didn't, your sentiments reflect that. Then when rational people finally had a bit of grasp on the situation more than half the population was whipped into hysteria and thought grandma would die if they left their house. Keep in mind us on RVF knew about covid weeks before it hit the USA so we had it figured out a lot faster than the general population, many of them never figured it out at all, but even on RVF for a while guys were clamoring for a vaccine and thought it was going to be body in the streets, hospitals overrun and riots over food....

I do agree that the economical ramifications of covid have yet to be fully felt, we haven't seen anything yet in regards to that. You can't triple the money in the economy with the majority of it going to things that do not serve the public, that is a massive elephant in the room.
In many cases, Grandma did die from this flu. I know people who died from it, I think everyone here did, it was deadly for certain people. I got it three times, it wasn't bad for me, but I am blessed for that.

But it all started under Trump's watch and Trump handled it as absolutely badly as he could, except for his rich friends on Wall Street, who were ushered in the largest transfer of wealth in the history of the world. That was under Trump, that is Trump's fault.
 
In many cases, Grandma did die from this flu. I know people who died from it, I think everyone here did, it was deadly for certain people. I got it three times, it wasn't bad for me, but I am blessed for that.

But it all started under Trump's watch and Trump handled it as absolutely badly as he could, except for his rich friends on Wall Street, who were ushered in the largest transfer of wealth in the history of the world. That was under Trump, that is Trump's fault.

Yes that's what Covid really was a strain of flu, I have no argument with that. You're saying that we should have shut down the entire country even more? I already agreed that the economics of it were a disaster, I don't understand the point you're making other than to just keep saying "Trump".
 
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