Donald Trump: Criticism & Debate Thread

Crossposting from the anti-ICE riots thread.
They're mobilizing joint terrorism task forces to deal with it.


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I have witnessed the continued onslaught of violence perpetrated against ICE officers across our country. The Department of Justice will not stand idly by in the face of such lawlessness. At my direction, I am deploying DOJ agents to ICE facilities-and wherever ICE comes under siege-to safeguard federal agents, protect federal property, and immediately arrest all individuals engaged in any federal crime. Pursuant to President Trump’s recent executive action, I am also instructing the Joint Terrorism Task Forces across the country to disrupt and investigate all entities and individuals engaged in acts of domestic terrorism, including the repeated acts of violence and obstruction against federal agents. The Department of Justice will seek the most serious available charges against all participants in these criminal mobs, including conspiracy offenses, assault offenses, civil disorder offenses, and terrorism offenses. While these never-ending attacks are designed to break our will, they only strengthen our resolve to complete the work begun. To that end, I have directed the FBI, DEA, ATF, and USMS to accelerate our efforts alongside the Department of Homeland Security to locate, apprehend, detain, prosecute, and remove all illegal aliens present in our country. The rule of law will prevail.
Military will be dispatched to protect federal facilities.
 
Actually that is covered. You can say "shoot cops" where it becomes unconditional is when you are making the threats and demonstrating the means.

That said. I get your point and I'm generally in alignment on Power or Force being the only thing that matters when faced with an enemy like that.

Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your views....our system is going to afford them protections based on those laws.

This is why the terrorist designation for Antifa is a big deal.

No, it is about context and in this context it is absolutely an imminent threat. This isn’t some rapper singing a song telling his listeners to go kill cops. This is a threat being made by someone physically present in a large group with a history of violence and is calling for lawless and violent action.

Regardless, if the administration and the people who enforce the law do not push boundaries and liberally enforce laws, they will lose. Even now, when your guy is ostensibly running the show, you limit yourself based on what your enemy says the law is. And this isn’t some bright line issue, it’s a gray area with a lot of wiggle room.

The law isn’t what some jew judge wrote on a piece of paper a hundred years ago. It’s whatever whomever has power says it is. And if you have power and don’t act on it, I guarantee you your enemies will. You’re going to find that out the hard way, within your lifetime, when the people you wouldn’t stifle will show you exactly how much they value free speech.

I will never say about one of these traitors that they are within their rights to do anything. If one of these Feds shot this little faggot in the teeth, I’d say send his parents a bill for the bullet.
 
No, it is about context and in this context it is absolutely an imminent threat. This isn’t some rapper singing a song telling his listeners to go kill cops. This is a threat being made by someone physically present in a large group with a history of violence and is calling for lawless and violent action.
Not according to the supreme Court. I get what you're saying but that dog isn't going to hunt. They can say shoot him, but until a gun is visible it's not actually an imminent threat.

You can check out Robert Barnes explaining all this as well as Andrew Branca (self defense law expert) explaining all this.

Regardless, if the administration and the people who enforce the law do not push boundaries and liberally enforce laws, they will lose. Even now, when your guy is ostensibly running the show, you limit yourself based on what your enemy says the law is. And this isn’t some bright line issue, it’s a gray area with a lot of wiggle room.
OK. We agree that antifa needs to be arrested... And I'm all fine by making the enemy live by their own rules.
The law isn’t what some jew judge wrote on a piece of paper a hundred years ago. It’s whatever whomever has power says it is. And if you have power and don’t act on it, I guarantee you your enemies will. You’re going to find that out the hard way, within your lifetime, when the people you wouldn’t stifle will show you exactly how much they value free speech.
Homie I'm well aware of this. I'm just telling you the liberal judges in the 9th circuit aren't going to go for it and there's nothing that will stick with this.

The admin is starting to take the right steps and they need to continue it.


I will never say about one of these traitors that they are within their rights to do anything. If one of these Feds shot this little faggot in the teeth, I’d say send his parents a bill for the bullet.
Tell me how you really feel!

 
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@It_Is_My_Time

Awkwardly silent for a guy who loves to pee in the Cheerios of the admin...

What's your black cloud of despair have to say in the matter?
The country is collapsing by every measure. The economy is collapsing, the social structure is collapsing, infrastructure is collapsing, social cohesion is collapsing, and we are getting punked around the globe by our adversaries. Pretty soon, it will just be the dumbass USA that supports Israel, in fact, after all the Western leaders signaled they support a Palestinian state, that might be where the USA is right now. A rogue empire, supporting the murder of 10's of thousands of children, a genocide of ethnic people in their homeland, and with 95% fo the world plotting their righteous revenge on us.

This doesn't even move the needle. This is a nonstory. None of those important issues that impact everyone of us is being addressed by this.

When the big issues are addressed, I'll be more than happy to eat crow. This isn't even a 1 out of the 1,000,000 we need, and I fear it will just turn out to be another reality TV show situation where a few low life druggies are arrested, the billionaire business partners and friends of the Trump family get away with funding this all, and nothing changes even on this very easy to handle situation.
 
The country is collapsing by every measure. The economy is collapsing, the social structure is collapsing, infrastructure is collapsing, social cohesion is collapsing, and we are getting punked around the globe by our adversaries. Pretty soon, it will just be the dumbass USA that supports Israel, in fact, after all the Western leaders signaled they support a Palestinian state, that might be where the USA is right now. A rogue empire, supporting the murder of 10's of thousands of children, a genocide of ethnic people in their homeland, and with 95% fo the world plotting their righteous revenge on us.

This doesn't even move the needle. This is a nonstory. None of those important issues that impact everyone of us is being addressed by this.

When the big issues are addressed, I'll be more than happy to eat crow. This isn't even a 1 out of the 1,000,000 we need, and I fear it will just turn out to be another reality TV show situation where a few low life druggies are arrested, the billionaire business partners and friends of the Trump family get away with funding this all, and nothing changes even on this very easy to handle situation.
Predictable.

Could have pinned the take myself.

Enjoy your Saturday! Hope your college team wins!
 
Not according to the supreme Court. I get what you're saying but that dog isn't going to hunt. They can say shoot him, but until a gun is visible it's not actually an imminent threat.

You can check out Robert Barnes explaining all this as well as Andrew Branca (self defense law expert) explaining all this.


OK. We agree that antifa needs to be arrested... And I'm all fine by making the enemy live by their own rules.

Homie I'm well aware of this. I'm just telling you the liberal judges in the 9th circuit aren't going to go for it and there's nothing that will stick with this.

The admin is starting to take the right steps and they need to continue it.



Tell me how you really feel!


All I know is if I went around in public yelling "shoot them", I'd get arrested and charged with something.

Look at how they treated Jan 6th people, who were by and large completely non violent. Antifa has a high bodycount. They murdered a lot of people during the George Floyd riots. The one time someone dared to defend himself from them, he had to fight for his freedom.

Our side has been getting crushed under the boot for years now. When are we going to start giving out equal treatment to those who actually deserve it?

Maybe something will come of this. Maybe they'll actually get to work here. I hope so, not going to hold my breath.
 
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Mike is right. As long as Trump allows this, a little reality TV in Portland means nothing. The good thing is though, that there will be an answer for all this, sadly it might come from China/Russia crushing the west, but you can't have this sickness on a global scale without a major pushback.

 
I'd also like to add this tweet, which is from 5 years ago:



And this Fox News article from around the same time:


Its interesting to me, that you could take that news article from over five years ago, change "George Floyd riots" to "ICE riots" and post it today word for word as breaking news...

To me it's not about being blackpilled or whitepilled, but simply pattern recognition and common sense.

Antifa is not a grassroots organization. We live in a surveillance state, they know exactly where the money is coming from and who it's going to. They know the rank and file, the low level handlers, the upper management, everything. If they wanted it gone, it would be gone, period. But it's not gone, because it's useful. They might round up some drug addicts and street people and pretend like it's some massive victory, but it will always be there to be rolled out again whenever they need it.

TL DR more BS bread and circus style distractions. Hope I'm wrong, but that seems unlikely given the trends we've seen.
 
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Not according to the supreme Court. I get what you're saying but that dog isn't going to hunt. They can say shoot him, but until a gun is visible it's not actually an imminent threat.

You can check out Robert Barnes explaining all this as well as Andrew Branca (self defense law expert) explaining all this.


OK. We agree that antifa needs to be arrested... And I'm all fine by making the enemy live by their own rules.

Homie I'm well aware of this. I'm just telling you the liberal judges in the 9th circuit aren't going to go for it and there's nothing that will stick with this.

The admin is starting to take the right steps and they need to continue it.



Tell me how you really feel!


I don’t believe Antifa or any of these politicians, judges, C-suite corporatists, media mouthpieces, or the like should be arrested. Nothing you posted shows results. It is just the administration saying they are “doing something” and some rando speculating about people “freaking out.” That’s the whole point of this thread. We want results, plain and simple. I know you want them too, so don’t be satiated unless you get them.
 
I don’t believe Antifa or any of these politicians, judges, C-suite corporatists, media mouthpieces, or the like should be arrested. Nothing you posted shows results. It is just the administration saying they are “doing something” and some rando speculating about people “freaking out.” That’s the whole point of this thread. We want results, plain and simple. I know you want them too, so don’t be satiated unless you get them.
Yes, and now we are one of the few countries truly supporting satanic Israel, it is only a matter of time until the rest of the world punishes us.



Meanwhile, the economy is in full meltdown mode, infrastructure is crumbling, and the gutless coward is doing this.



Then if you sign up for ICE, this is how the govt. thanks you...



And it appears the Mayor of Portland isn't too worried about Trump's silly little theatre...




Man, this is just one day of complete lies and fraud by Trump. It really feels like the water is circling the drain right now as fast as things are collapsing on him.
 
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