Donald Trump: Criticism & Debate Thread

It_Is_My_Time said:
What is the point of this posting? The USA is falling apart, and Trump is getting nothing done about. So, we are to say "okay, the country is going to hell, but at least we are better than other countries, that are also falling apart"?
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Oh no the sky is falling!!!!

Are you expecting heaven on earth or do you not realize we are still in the richest country in the history of the world with more opportunity than any other place in the world?
It_Is_My_Time said:
Trump has his chance and so far, he is a massive failure. I'm not surprised by this, I predicted it, well, I thought he might do a few things to help us to put on a show before pulling the rug out, but he didn't even do that.
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I don't agree at all.

I see the immigration and border security wins (personally witnessed this in a border state)

The U.S. economy has now added a net of 671,000 jobs since January 2025, with jobs numbers beating expectations four months in a row. Native-born workers have accounted for all job gains, with native-born employment increasing 2,079,000 while foreign-born employment has fallen 543,000.

Energy development with new oil and gas permits

MAHA movement with RFK Jr

EOs on getting women out of men's sports and trans mutilation


Blue collar wage growth
www.whitehouse.gov

ICYMI: Blue-Collar Wage Growth Sees Largest Increase in Nearly 60 Years Under Trump

In President Donald J. Trump’s first five months in office, real wages for hourly workers have seen their largest increase under any administration in
www.whitehouse.gov www.whitehouse.gov
Tax cuts with recent legislation

So it's really hard to prove that this admin is some catastrophic failure... Though I know you REALLY want to.

Again 1 year ago we were dealing with 4 million illegals coming across per year, jobs being actively outsourced, emboldened abortionists, and satanic Hindus and Muslims in Congress via the Squad driving the leftist Overton window.

It_Is_My_Time said:
I'm old enough to know how fast it goes under when it goes bad. And being slightly better than other countries where it is also going bad doesn't buy much time, or probably any time at all, when it goes bad.
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What does that even mean Basil?
It_Is_My_Time said:
I pray the people who pull Trump's puppet strings see how bad things are getting and reverse course. Just last night I had a conversation about how terrible the economy is, and how much tariffs are hurting businesses, from people in the know, with 4 different people. This economy is a disaster. And I can bring up this topic with a lot of people in restaurant management or who run small businesses, and they just let loose on how tough things are for them right now. Some even admit they supported Trump thinking that things couldn't get worse, yet here we are. The tariff thing is a nightmare and now appears to be just a ruse to tax the middle class and be another wealth transfer to the satanic pedophile elites.
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Dude I grew up in a small business and my family still works in that space. They are doing just fine.

So it's more likely a regional issue than some overarching pandemic.

I categorically reject your framing in tariffs.
It_Is_My_Time said:
I enjoy listening to, and letting managers and small business owners sound off on how tough things are right now, you can tell they really want to vent. Better yet is young men, I have yet to meet a young man that really thinks this country is heading in the right direction. When I tell them I bought my house for no money down at 25, and that is the country that they never got to experience, most are just shocked that ever existed and then really start to vent.
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So what?
It_Is_My_Time said:
I lose count of how many people over the last 6 months I have had this conversation with. The good things is a lot of them are starting to realize voting doesn't matter, and that is the last thing the satanic govt. wants. They want people to buy into the nonsense that voting will change things, so they can continue to steal from us.
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Is this before or after your 80 hour work week?

It_Is_My_Time said:
Most telling of all, the faith that people have in Trump and his economic policy is what happened this week in the markets. The Fed cut interest rates .25% on Wednesday. Afterwards 30 years home mortgages went up. How? Why? Because investors have no faith that inflation will stay down and the tariffs have made such a mess, they were buying bonds. The people in the know, whether investors, managers of restaurants, small business owners, and young men wanting a path forward, can all attest this thing is going very badly.
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Youre making an argument based on your empirical knowledge. I can do the same in reverse and say that things are great.

Plenty of young men I know are doing fantastic. I know these people through church and they are crushing it.

Plenty of other young men are working dead end jobs getting paid shit. That's on them.

There is still loads of opportunities out there and the "this place sucks and it turning to shit" attitude is for losers who are going to perpetually underperform and be self sabotaging with victim mentality.

It_Is_My_Time said:
I will continue to pray that maybe someone in DC has some common sense and can set us back in the right direction. I suggest everyone else here does this as well.
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For all your posts and yet nothing will ever be good enough and when the next good thing happens you'll say "it's not enough" because your mindset is that of a complainer.
 
Get2choppaaa said:
Oh no the sky is falling!!!!

Are you expecting heaven on earth or do you not realize we are still in the richest country in the history of the world with more opportunity than any other place in the world?

I don't agree at all.

I see the immigration and border security wins (personally witnessed this in a border state)

The U.S. economy has now added a net of 671,000 jobs since January 2025, with jobs numbers beating expectations four months in a row. Native-born workers have accounted for all job gains, with native-born employment increasing 2,079,000 while foreign-born employment has fallen 543,000.

Energy development with new oil and gas permits

MAHA movement with RFK Jr

EOs on getting women out of men's sports and trans mutilation


Blue collar wage growth
www.whitehouse.gov

ICYMI: Blue-Collar Wage Growth Sees Largest Increase in Nearly 60 Years Under Trump

In President Donald J. Trump’s first five months in office, real wages for hourly workers have seen their largest increase under any administration in
www.whitehouse.gov www.whitehouse.gov
Tax cuts with recent legislation

So it's really hard to prove that this admin is some catastrophic failure... Though I know you REALLY want to.

Again 1 year ago we were dealing with 4 million illegals coming across per year, jobs being actively outsourced, emboldened abortionists, and satanic Hindus and Muslims in Congress via the Squad driving the leftist Overton window.


What does that even mean Basil?

Dude I grew up in a small business and my family still works in that space. They are doing just fine.

So it's more likely a regional issue than some overarching pandemic.

I categorically reject your framing in tariffs.

So what?

Is this before or after your 80 hour work week?


Youre making an argument based on your empirical knowledge. I can do the same in reverse and say that things are great.

Plenty of young men I know are doing fantastic. I know these people through church and they are crushing it.

Plenty of other young men are working dead end jobs getting paid shit. That's on them.

There is still loads of opportunities out there and the "this place sucks and it turning to shit" attitude is for losers who are going to perpetually underperform and be self sabotaging with victim mentality.


For all your posts and yet nothing will ever be good enough and when the next good thing happens you'll say "it's not enough" because your mindset is that of a complainer.
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I'm expecting competence. I guess your routine has gone from Trump will fight the swamp, to Trump is better that the other guy, to Trump isn't going to do anything to help us. Great, you have made it to where I was in 2017. The next step is pretending this is okay, it isn't.
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
I'm expecting competence. I guess your routine has gone from Trump will fight the swamp, to Trump is better that the other guy, to Trump isn't going to do anything to help us. Great, you have made it to where I was in 2017. The next step is pretending this is okay, it isn't.
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I guess your routine is to make some chicken little claim, be disproven and revert back to some other nonsense claim to maintain a your victim narrative.

Ever shifting goal post expert you are though!

Again, I merely pointed out that Trump is not a catastrophic failure and your expectations of how government works are not aligned with how it actually works.


eradicator said:
Damn. The new fee on h1b visas doesn’t apply to h1b visas that were already issued.

So this latest nothing burger from the orange cheetoh does nothing. All of the h1b visas for 2025 were already issued

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No it still significant and still the right direction. However it's realistic to expect that they won't retroactively be able to claw back all that with new penalties effective now.

That doesn't make it a nothing burger.

Maybe you're not aware of corporate hiring and budgetary methodologies, but most large companies set their hiring targets in October for January.

This will make an impact in the next years hiring numbers.
 
Get2choppaaa said:
I guess your routine is to make some chicken little claim, be disproven and revert back to some other nonsense claim to maintain a your victim narrative.

Ever shifting goal post expert you are though!

Again, I merely pointed out that Trump is not a catastrophic failure and your expectations of how government works are not aligned with how it actually works.



No it still significant and still the right direction. However it's realistic to expect that they won't retroactively be able to claw back all that with new penalties effective now.

That doesn't make it a nothing burger.

Maybe you're not aware of corporate hiring and budgetary methodologies, but most large companies set their hiring targets in October for January.

This will make an impact in the next years hiring numbers.
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Yeah it’s not nothing if it helps for 2026
 
eradicator said:
Damn. The new fee on h1b visas doesn’t apply to h1b visas that were already issued.

So this latest nothing burger from the orange cheetoh does nothing. All of the h1b visas for 2025 were already issued

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I think it does apply to already issued visas, but I'm no lawyer.

" (b) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall restrict decisions on petitions not accompanied by a $100,000 payment for H-1B specialty occupation workers under section 101(a)(15)(H)(i)(b) of the INA, who are currently outside the United States, for 12 months following the effective date of this proclamation as set forth in subsection (a) of this section. The Secretary of State shall also issue guidance, as necessary and to the extent permitted by law, to prevent misuse of B visas by alien beneficiaries of approved H-1B petitions that have an employment start date beginning prior to October 1, 2026."
www.whitehouse.gov

Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA A PROCLAMATION The H-1B nonimmigrant visa program was created to bring temporary workers into the United
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TruckDriver9 said:
I think it does apply to already issued visas, but I'm no lawyer.

" (b) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall restrict decisions on petitions not accompanied by a $100,000 payment for H-1B specialty occupation workers under section 101(a)(15)(H)(i)(b) of the INA, who are currently outside the United States, for 12 months following the effective date of this proclamation as set forth in subsection (a) of this section. The Secretary of State shall also issue guidance, as necessary and to the extent permitted by law, to prevent misuse of B visas by alien beneficiaries of approved H-1B petitions that have an employment start date beginning prior to October 1, 2026."
www.whitehouse.gov

Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA A PROCLAMATION The H-1B nonimmigrant visa program was created to bring temporary workers into the United
www.whitehouse.gov www.whitehouse.gov
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Nope. The White House clarified today that existing h1b visa holders are exempt and employers will not have to pay their 100k fee
 
Anything that draws attention and shifts the Overton window to the Right is a good thing.

But Trump's a "gutless coward" according to some folks here.
 
Get2choppaaa said:
Anything that draws attention and shifts the Overton window to the Right is a good thing.

But Trump's a "gutless coward" according to some folks here.
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Legally there’s only so many things he can do with executive orders. Some are already saying that this may be struck down by the Supreme Court in its current form.

I’m guessing, adding this fee through an executive order is potentially going to stick, far more easily than trying to remove the h1b program entirely

That said, I am not a lawyer, I’m just repeating what I’ve read
 
eradicator said:
Legally there’s only so many things he can do with executive orders. Some are already saying that this may be struck down by the Supreme Court in its current form.

I’m guessing, adding this fee through an executive order is potentially going to stick, far more easily than trying to remove the h1b program entirely

That said, I am not a lawyer, I’m just repeating what I’ve read
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Anything and everything that high it's this issue is a good thing. I do believe Donald know this. Peter Navarro and Steven Miller have been 2 of the only constant people in his cabinet as advisors he's trusted over his tenure and both are strongly anti H1B.
 
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