Did Pope Francis Allow Priests to Bless Same-Sex Relationships?

You want to comment about a document you don't feel the need to read, then you may as well state you simply wish to throw in your two cents about the Pope, as others are doing.

If this document gives you trouble, then that other big official document we follow is going to be a real bear.
 
Unending Powerhouse Match said:
I am currently inquiring into Orthodoxy, but I have been Catholic all my life, so I think I have a place in this discussion.

While I commend your efforts to encourage objectivity, this pope has made it so that transgenders can be baptized without repenting (that means a man receiving the sacrament with lipstick, a dress and a wig on), and he has many times done various things to support homosexuality in the church, such as protecting priests who commit sodomy from receiving the appropriate consequences. I don't think people should be expected to read a big official document before feeling a bit skeptical of his decisions on matters related to LGTV nonsense.

I really don't see how blessing two sodomites could ever possibly not be the same thing as endorsing their "union". We can ask a priest to bless pretty much anything, because blessings are always good. A tradesman can ask a priest to bless his tools. I can ask a priest to bless my garden. I can even ask a priest to bless a weapon, as long as the priest is not personally opposed to doing so, because this way I would be asking God to ensure that the weapon is not used in anger or for evil. But can I ask a priest to bless a dildo or a line of cocaine? How about abortion pills? I am no theologian, but I think not. You cannot bless things that are inherently sinful and satanic. That's just ridiculous on its face.
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Would the priest be explicitly blessing the union? Or simply blessing two people despite their sinful relationship?

If the latter is true, the title of the thread should be changed as suggested by @BasilSeal.

Either way I find this troubling. This papacy has weaponized ambiguity it seems.
 
BasilSeal said:
You want to comment about a document you don't feel the need to read, then you may as well state you simply wish to throw in your two cents about the Pope, as others are doing.

If this document gives you trouble, then that other big official document we follow is going to be a real bear.
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This! On a similar note, so many Catholics are so willing to throw The Holy Father and the Holy See under the bridge over any click-bait news article. Somehow forgetting that the news always lie. 🤔
 
cognitive dissonance 73 said:
Perhaps not Biblical what the Pope has done. (Clearly not Biblical but I let him and Vatican explain what they meant by it)
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The only thing that you needed to say and I would have agreed with you. You bring up good points and I want to like you man, but all your reactive bashing of members and the ROCOR makes it hard.

Like we get it, you have issue with the ROCOR, fair enough. But you bring it up nearly every other post. Chill out my brother in Christ. I pray you find peace.
 
SeaEagle said:
Would the priest be explicitly blessing the union? Or simply blessing two people despite their sinful relationship?
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To the first question: No, the document expressly forbids this.

As to the second question: Yes, and with certain explicit conditions.

Please feel free to quote any portion of the document if you wish to make the case that "same-sex relationships" are being blessed. Otherwise, it would be nice for a moderator to make an adjustment to the thread title, as it is factually incorrect.
 
@BasilSeal How do you feel regarding sedevacantism being diet Protestantism? That's the biggest issue with it. You just can't dance around Francis' claims, and when you deny a big part about Catholicism, it's just diet Protestantism with a pile of salt and complaining over Vatican 2.

Posters here like to say "I raised in [DENOMINATION], and like internet trend better" as an argument, but I really had a hard time finding any Catholic church that takes itself seriously and didn't have the literal same 5 songs I heard everywhere I go. With Protestantism you have the excuse of it garnering bajillions of denominations since there is no authority, but with "Trad Catholicism", it's just a diet version of it with variable amount of dancing around Francis. TLM is more of a remedy method than it is a prevention.
 
cognitive dissonance 73 said:
Perhaps not Biblical what the Pope has done. (Clearly not Biblical but I let him and Vatican explain what they meant by it)
Equally to our local LARP-ers in ROCOR - it is also again the Bible that the head of your church (former KGB-operator, "patriarch" Kyril) blesses weapons that are used to kill fellow (orthodox) Christians in Georgia (in 2007) and in Ukraine (2014-present).
Sure, you worry about one statement from the Pope.
The hypocrisy of some of you here is astonishing.

Priorities, man...priorities!
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You have got to respect other people more. Even if you don't like Orthodox Christians, or specifically Russian Orthodox Christians, that does not make them LARPers. I have encountered much of the most sincere love of Christ I could ever imagine among the Russian Orthodox, regardless of what you might say about their Patriarch.
I would never dream of calling sincere Catholics LARPers. Sincere Catholics are many of the greatest Christians on Earth, though I think they are wrong about a couple things, but to attack the faith of the people who devote their lives to Christ whether Orthodox or Catholic is not right. And I would never put Pope Francis's title - Pope - in quotation marks, like you did in insulting Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kirill.
For any time that Orthodox have been this insulting to Catholics, forgive us.
 
BasilSeal said:
It's hard to follow your question, but it's probably a new topic.
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I ask mostly because the predominant position in Catholicism online and in a few right wing places I've gone to is Sedevacantism. Apologies if the post got retarded in the process of the question.

BasilSeal said:
Please note that every single Sedevecantist thread ever ended very poorly on the old forum. Ask anyone.
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The old forum was pretty obviously an echo chamber in this regard. I was mostly just curious about your view on this, since I've had an interest in Catholicism for most of my time after conversion, and you have a very big interest on it, as also expressed in this thread.
 
Some suggest there may be tens of thousands of Sedevecantists; out of about 1.3 billion Catholics. It is amazing what the Internet can do, isn't it.
 
Thomas More said:
Isn't this kind of a black and white take? If we criticize the pope making it Church policy to bless gays with specific focus on their participation in ( typically promiscuous) unions, it's like criticizing the bible?

Is there no biblical room in between?
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No, my comment is that just relying on a random article for information on the Vatican's statement is not sufficient to get a good picture of what was actually. We should at least give the Vatican the benefit of the doubt to explain what they said.
People hear are so quick to give guys like Trump and Putin the benefit of the doubt, but not The Pope?
 
TheSurveyor said:
No, my comment is that just relying on a random article for information on the Vatican's statement is not sufficient to get a good picture of what was actually. We should at least give the Vatican the benefit of the doubt to explain what they said.
People hear are so quick to give guys like Trump and Putin the benefit of the doubt, but not The Pope?
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I realized I was reacting more to the post you quoted than to yours, and deleted it right away, but not quick enough.

I agreed with what you posted, and was reacting to the idea that criticising the Pope is like criticising the Bible, no matter what the topic is.
 
Good to see @cognitive dissonance 73, our resident troll, is back bashing ROCOR in a totally unrelated thread after calling all Russians vodka slurping spies.

Of course the two are highly connected.... I'm willing to bet there are less homosexuals in Mother Russia... But hey! Actually used to be the same in Ukraine before the Khazarian Mafia and .mil complex took over.

At least when we have an Orthodox bishop make a comment or act that is discordant to the rest of the faith.... We condemn it loudly. Me thinks that's the issue with this Pope... He's personally somewhat sympathetic to liberals tendencies due to his long time in communist S. America.

Eta, not meant to upset my Catholic Brethren personally....I've seen where Pope Francis was taken out of context many times... So maybe there's some of that here. But my concern, is that his side comments, couples with his easily painted as a sympathetic liberal history.... Make these things an effect of Perception is Reality
 
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JR5 said:
This post likely belongs in the Catholic forum:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/18/world/europe/pope-gay-lesbian-same-sex-blessing.html

https://archive.is/oel6Y
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You know full well about contentious posts regarding the Catholic Church, so you are being disingenuous and that's me being polite. Despite only recently stirring the stinking pot of division and derision, you have done it again. As an "other" Christian, whatever that's meant to mean, what is your interest in what happens in Rome? Is the "other" church you belong to without sin?

I didn't flag your post to begin with because I wanted to wait for the inevitable schadenfreude pile on from non-Catholics, which has now occurred and was your expected outcome, no? But I'll flag it now.
 
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