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[Giordano Bruno]

Wow I can't tell you how much I love that quote thank you for posting it!

You're welcome.

 

[Giordano Bruno]

Me being Eritrean Orthodox makes me biased, but I think the book of Jubilees predicting Christ and Revelation is evidence that it is canon.

Jubilees also contains a few scattered allusions to the Messianic kingdom. Robert Henry Charles wrote in 1913:

This kingdom was to be ruled over by a Messiah sprung, not from Levi—that is, from the Maccabean family—as some of his contemporaries expected—but from Judah. This kingdom would be gradually realized on earth, and the transformation of physical nature would go hand in hand with the ethical transformation of man until there was a new heaven and a new earth. Thus, finally, all sin and pain would disappear and men would live to the age of 1,000 years in happiness and peace, and after death enjoy a blessed immortality in the spirit world.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Jubilees#cite_note-Charles-6"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a>

 

[Giordano Bruno]

This feels like it's talking about our times.

Maybe not all of Revelations, but certainly the second and third chapters.

Revelation ch2-3: Seven letters from glorified Christ to real 1st-cent. Asian churches—commendations, rebukes, calls to repent/overcome, promises to victors (e.g., tree of life, crown, white garments). Symbolic for all eras.

Ephesus: Forsaken first love—some tie to early 1900s doctrinal drift.
Smyrna: Persecution/10 days tribulation—parallels 20th-cent. martyrs (WWII, Soviet era).
Pergamum: Balaam/Nicolaitans compromise—modern cultural accommodation.
Thyatira: Tolerating "Jezebel" immorality/idolatry—links to 1960s+ sexual revolution.
Sardis: Spiritually dead reputation—20th-cent. secularization in West.
Philadelphia: Faithful open door—missions/revivals 1800s-1900s.
Laodicea: Lukewarm, rich yet poor—affluent but apathetic modern churches.

No consensus exact matches 1900-2026 across views; timeless warnings on faithfulness. Next chapters?

While the exact meaning of Jezebel (the original name) is debated (possibly "Unexalted" or "Baal Exalts")

Revelations 2:20 King James Version
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Revelation 2
King James Version
2 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.

7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.

16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;

19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

28 And I will give him the morning star.

29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

 

[Giordano Bruno]

This feels like it's talking about our times.

Maybe not all of Revelations, but certainly the second and third chapters.





While the exact meaning of Jezebel (the original name) is debated (possibly "Unexalted" or "Baal Exalts")

Jezebel seems to refer to those among the Modern Jews that worship Satan, and have been trying to corrupt Churches with far left degeneracy and Zionism.

Thyatira was a Church in the Bible that had many great qualities but was lead astray by a woman named Jezebel.

In this context, I feel like it refers to modern LGBT Churches, and Churches that support Zionism, or are in some way mislead by Jews.

For example, I read somewhere Roman Catholics are forbidden from preaching to Jews.

Hildegard Brem comments on this passage as follows: "In the light of Romans 11:25, the Church must not concern herself with the conversion of the Jews, since she must wait for the time fixed for this by God, 'until the full number of the Gentiles come in' (Rom 11:25). On the contrary, the Jews themselves are a living homily to which the Church must draw attention, since they call to mind the Lord's suffering (cf. Ep 363) ..." (quoted in Sämtliche Werke, ed. Winkler, I, p. 834).

The Times of the Gentiles

The Council of Centers on Jewish-Christian Relations is an association of centers and institutes in the United States and Canada devoted to enhancing mutual understanding between Jews and Christians.

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Looking more intently, Revelations 1 seems to refer to the first millennium mostly. For that was the time in which the Church spread most fiercely.

Revelations 2 and 3 seems to refer to the last few centuries in which Jews have gained most of their power, and the present day in which they use it most widely, and likely a future event in which God gives a chosen person a rod of iron to protect his Church.

This can't be about Jesus because it says: And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

That sounds like it's talking about Christians on Earth today, maybe not even not necessarily Christians, but certainly people who do God's work and live a Godly life.

Also, neat find.