Christian Morality Thread

In that first passage, he finally does heal her because her faith is great. Also, why was he there where she could come to him? He purposely left the Jewish area and went to a gentile area to preach to gentiles. He went there for the purpose of finding people like her. When he said that to her about the lost sheep of the House of Israel, it was rhetoric, pointing to the real truth that salvation was available for gentiles too, if they have faith in him.

As for winter clothes for the refugees, that's a tough one. I'd suggest only giving clothes for women and children, and praying for them all to return home.
I wasn't implying that Our Lord wasn't charitable towards gentiles or that he didn't use rhetoric, but His earthly ministry was focused on Jews, as was the ministry of Peter, which was a point of contention between him and Paul, who was the great evangelist to the gentiles. Here he's being precise, "I was not sent but to the sheep that are lost of the house of Israel". Later He emphasises her outsider status with words that I've always thought to be a witheringly dismissive, but as it's the Lord we know He was testing her. What's important in this passage is that He only cures her daughter when the mother shows her humility by not protesting. This interaction, as we know, is for the benefit of future generations. What is without question is that Jesus acknowledges a hierarchy.
 
My church is asking for winter clothing for "asylum seekers", which is a dilemma for me. Should one be charitable to those who come here by invitation and are financed by NGOs who are in turn financed by the globalist elite and who are potentially going to be a Trojan horse army? I'm tempted to ask if they need coats for women and children, or just for men, because this giving seems to be so unconditional. I'd like at least to prioritise the indigenous folk in need and to have a discussion about giving alms to these men.

If I don't give and look for scripture to back me up, Matthew 15: 22-26 comes to mind:

22 And suddenly out came a Canaanite woman from that district and started shouting, 'Lord, Son of David, take pity on me. My daughter is tormented by a devil.'

23 But he said not a word in answer to her. And his disciples went and pleaded with him, saying, 'Give her what she wants, because she keeps shouting after us.'

24 He said in reply, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.'

25 But the woman had come up and was bowing low before him. 'Lord,' she said, 'help me.'

26 He replied, 'It is not fair to take the children's food and throw it to little dogs.'


On the other hand we have the story of the good Samaritan or the more directly unconditional imperative verses of Matthew 5:42-47

42 Give to anyone who asks you, and if anyone wants to borrow, do not turn away.

43 'You have heard how it was said, You will love your neighbour and hate your enemy.

44 But I say this to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you;

45 so that you may be children of your Father in heaven, for he causes his sun to rise on the bad as well as the good, and sends down rain to fall on the upright and the wicked alike.

46 For if you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Do not even the tax collectors do as much?

47 And if you save your greetings for your brothers, are you doing anything exceptional?


What say you? Are such discussions being had in your parish or church?

I'd guess it all depends whether they are genuine refugees. If not, I see no reason to support people who come under false pretense - being charitable doesn't mean one should allow others to take advantage of him.
 
This is a dilemma, as at the time of Jesus you had genuine poor people - widows, orphans, the disabled - who would hang around certain areas and beg. It was good to give to those in need. You didn't have masses of fentanyl and other drug-addicted vagrants asking for money, nor mass imported criminals and rapists who are here to prey upon the natives. If I handed money to every person on the street who asked for it, my family would be homeless and my children would starve. We are not called to be morons. Go to 1 Timothy 5, there seems to be a lot in there, in particular verse 8.

I think the suggestion to just donate clothes for women and children is a fairly good one, although it could be cruel to genuine male refugees. If the church is asking for donations, you have every right to ask exactly how these are being used. If they're just handing them to some NGO to be used to keep criminals and rapists warm, I'd find another outlet for your giving.
 
Couldn’t find a thread on this topic so if it’s the wrong one I apologize and the moderators can move it.

I wanted to begin a discussion on this topic video embedded.



In summary (although I recommend the whole video), Father Spyridon talks about passing judgement and gossip as a sign of hidden hatred.

I find myself passing judgement often in our political climate (illegals, clown world…)

This is related to my struggles with the faith with some teachings that I find are against human nature or only for the select few who are destined to be saints. Examples are not passing judgement, dealing with lust, etc.

These are things I struggle with. At first I thought maybe it’s modernity and that the world is just upside down, but that’s romanticizing the past and I’m beginning to think that things were always this way. If you look around, the ‘you will know them by their fruits’ doesn’t really hold up. There are many people who act against teachings and dominate the ones who do. I’ve heard all the things like ‘Satan is the king of this world’, ‘don’t focus on the material’ , ‘we’re all sinners keep getting up’, ‘we are fallen’ ok but this doesn’t help in a practical manner in day to day life. I still find myself angry at times, lustful, and passing judgement no matter how many times I go to confession or go to church. Even during monastic retreats or times I’ve done daily mass, like clockwork those things returned and came up.

Thoughts?
 
These are things I struggle with. At first I thought maybe it’s modernity and that the world is just upside down, but that’s romanticizing the past and I’m beginning to think that things were always this way. If you look around, the ‘you will know them by their fruits’ doesn’t really hold up. There are many people who act against teachings and dominate the ones who do.

The fruit of the Holy Spirit isn't domination of others. We can't link worldly power/domination or lack thereof with fruits or rewards from God. In fact we know from Revelation that ultimately the domination of the evil ones will become so bad that if God wouldn't step in, all would be lost.

I’ve heard all the things like ‘Satan is the king of this world’, ‘don’t focus on the material’ , ‘we’re all sinners keep getting up’, ‘we are fallen’ ok but this doesn’t help in a practical manner in day to day life. I still find myself angry at times, lustful, and passing judgement no matter how many times I go to confession or go to church. Even during monastic retreats or times I’ve done daily mass, like clockwork those things returned and came up.

I would examine your expectations. Do you expect to reach a state where you are free from those temptations, where the demons stop attacking you? On the contrary, the closer you come to God, the greater the attacks become. Do you expect to become impervious to those temptations? They say it is possible to become quite resilient through ascetic struggle but when it comes to our most entrenched sins and passions this seems to be the work of a lifetime. Waging war against the demons attacking our soul unfortunately is not a snappy one-and-done battle but a lifelong grind of endurance. He who struggles to the end will be saved. God wants to see us get up every time we fall as you say, He knows we are sinners who are not perfect and it's a trick of the demons to, after inducing you to sin, flip the script and induce you to despair and despondency for falling. They want you to think it's pointless to keep failing and getting back up but it pleases God when we keep making our best effort to repent and come back to Him over and over, no matter how many times it takes us.
 
The fruit of the Holy Spirit isn't domination of others. We can't link worldly power/domination or lack thereof with fruits or rewards from God. In fact we know from Revelation that ultimately the domination of the evil ones will become so bad that if God wouldn't step in, all would be lost.



I would examine your expectations. Do you expect to reach a state where you are free from those temptations, where the demons stop attacking you? On the contrary, the closer you come to God, the greater the attacks become. Do you expect to become impervious to those temptations? They say it is possible to become quite resilient through ascetic struggle but when it comes to our most entrenched sins and passions this seems to be the work of a lifetime. Waging war against the demons attacking our soul unfortunately is not a snappy one-and-done battle but a lifelong grind of endurance. He who struggles to the end will be saved. God wants to see us get up every time we fall as you say, He knows we are sinners who are not perfect and it's a trick of the demons to, after inducing you to sin, flip the script and induce you to despair and despondency for falling. They want you to think it's pointless to keep failing and getting back up but it pleases God when we keep making our best effort to repent and come back to Him over and over, no matter how many times it takes us.

So in terms of expectations, reaching some state of divine purity while alive is not really possible imo. Maybe some saints have achieved it, but we’re talking 1 in a million or less. These sins will always happen but on that front I’m looking more for sustained improvement that works practically.

Example, let’s say a person was born with a disease. For 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 years this person is attempting to cure it and the treatments don’t work. In those cases we conclude, rightly I may add, that the treatments have failed.

That’s kind of how I see certain things within myself and other people (there I go passing judgement again) While on many things I’ve made significant improvement in my life (finances, sports, skill development) despite listening to my priests advice and going to church it hasn’t really lessened my lust as a male, or made me non-judgemental. My priest suggested I pray continuously and at times even in the middle of the night. So I did it. Didn’t really work. Priest suggested daily mass so I did it for a few months. Didn’t really work. I see people that pardon my language were A-holes in church when I was a teenagers and are still the same now. So again I conclude that the advice didn’t work.

Going back to the previous discussion on forgiveness. Do we forgive the people in the Einstein files that trafficked kids? There’s a wild movie with Harvey Keitel, called Bad Lieutenant where he is investigating a vicious crime where these teenagers rape a Catholic nun. He questions the nun for information saying that they are juveniles and will walk, but he will make sure she gets justice. The nun says ‘I’ve forgiven them’ Harvey Keitel’s character’s then goes on to say how and if they walk they’ll probably do it again. It goes to the absurdity of just blindly forgiving.

I think that there is something missing within the methodology in the church for inner purification. I need to study it more. Saint Teresa of Avila wrote about in the Inner Castle, but these teachings are not taught and modern priests aren’t trained. I feel like they give the same generic advice to everyone.
 
So in terms of expectations, reaching some state of divine purity while alive is not really possible imo. Maybe some saints have achieved it, but we’re talking 1 in a million or less. These sins will always happen but on that front I’m looking more for sustained improvement that works practically.

Example, let’s say a person was born with a disease. For 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 years this person is attempting to cure it and the treatments don’t work. In those cases we conclude, rightly I may add, that the treatments have failed.

That’s kind of how I see certain things within myself and other people (there I go passing judgement again) While on many things I’ve made significant improvement in my life (finances, sports, skill development) despite listening to my priests advice and going to church it hasn’t really lessened my lust as a male, or made me non-judgemental. My priest suggested I pray continuously and at times even in the middle of the night. So I did it. Didn’t really work. Priest suggested daily mass so I did it for a few months. Didn’t really work. I see people that pardon my language were A-holes in church when I was a teenagers and are still the same now. So again I conclude that the advice didn’t work.

Fair enough, it does sound like you are in need of a spiritual father and that the one you have isn't able to help you. Hope you can find the guidance you are looking for, I'm certainly not qualified to help just trying to share what wisdom I have come across in my own struggle against much the same. My only other question for you is do you feel the burning zeal to conquer your judgment and lust? Or do you 'know' in your mind that they are bad for you but allow yourself to indulge them because of habit or ease? When I'm honest with myself I know that when I fall to lust it is because I love my sin more than I am driven to refuse it for the love of God. And not because I'm lacking the tools to make that decision against sin. See this post: https://christisking.cc/threads/the...or-those-whore-serious.23/page-12#post-114167

Going back to the previous discussion on forgiveness. Do we forgive the people in the Einstein files that trafficked kids? There’s a wild movie with Harvey Keitel, called Bad Lieutenant where he is investigating a vicious crime where these teenagers rape a Catholic nun. He questions the nun for information saying that they are juveniles and will walk, but he will make sure she gets justice. The nun says ‘I’ve forgiven them’ Harvey Keitel’s character’s then goes on to say how and if they walk they’ll probably do it again. It goes to the absurdity of just blindly forgiving.

I've been reflecting on this as well since the conversation in the wake of the Kirk assassination. It seems that forgiveness and mercy are conflated in the dialogue. This is just my own understanding so if I have it wrong I welcome correction.

Forgiveness is a spiritual position of the offended party, not holding the offense against the offender in their heart anymore, releasing their anger, hatred or desire for vengeance from their heart, and instead praying that the offender be healed from their sickness and to come to know God's love and truth. Forgiveness is allowing the possibility of repentance and restoration of harmony and right relations.

In contrast mercy, taken in the human juridical context, is releasing the offender from the rightful, justified consequences of their actions, out of love. Forgiveness therefore, is not the same as mercy. It takes incredible discernment to know when it is more loving to forego justice, or to maintain it. But as you can clearly see, if evil criminal scum are unrepentant, it is actually LESS loving to withhold justice than to carry it out, due to the evil they will inflict in the world. In the Orthodox teaching we look at the examples of pre-Flood mankind, or of the giant clans inhabiting the Levant prior to the arrival of the Israelites with Joshua, Sodom and so forth - in these scenarios, even with God's infinite mercy and readiness to forgive, it was more loving to render temporal justice than to allow the wickedness to continue.

In the divine context, God wishes that all men should be saved, he is prepared to forgive all, but He will not have mercy on those who do not repent and seek His mercy. Applied to the human context, we must imitate Christ and forgive all, letting go of the grievance in our heart and wishing for the offender to come to the truth, but we cannot allow unrepentant evildoers to be a part of our society. And in theory it is the duty of God's representatives on earth as leaders to make those decisions on the carrying out of justice vs mercy. Sadly those leaders these days are rather godless but we know ultimately justice will be seen in this life or the next.

I think that there is something missing within the methodology in the church for inner purification. I need to study it more. Saint Teresa of Avila wrote about in the Inner Castle, but these teachings are not taught and modern priests aren’t trained. I feel like they give the same generic advice to everyone.

Take a look at The Ladder of Divine Ascent by St. John Climacus.
 
My church is asking for winter clothing for "asylum seekers", which is a dilemma for me. Should one be charitable to those who come here by invitation and are financed by NGOs who are in turn financed by the globalist elite and who are potentially going to be a Trojan horse army? I'm tempted to ask if they need coats for women and children, or just for men, because this giving seems to be so unconditional. I'd like at least to prioritise the indigenous folk in need and to have a discussion about giving alms to these men.

If I don't give and look for scripture to back me up, Matthew 15: 22-26 comes to mind:

22 And suddenly out came a Canaanite woman from that district and started shouting, 'Lord, Son of David, take pity on me. My daughter is tormented by a devil.'

23 But he said not a word in answer to her. And his disciples went and pleaded with him, saying, 'Give her what she wants, because she keeps shouting after us.'

24 He said in reply, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.'

25 But the woman had come up and was bowing low before him. 'Lord,' she said, 'help me.'

26 He replied, 'It is not fair to take the children's food and throw it to little dogs.'


On the other hand we have the story of the good Samaritan or the more directly unconditional imperative verses of Matthew 5:42-47

42 Give to anyone who asks you, and if anyone wants to borrow, do not turn away.

43 'You have heard how it was said, You will love your neighbour and hate your enemy.

44 But I say this to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you;

45 so that you may be children of your Father in heaven, for he causes his sun to rise on the bad as well as the good, and sends down rain to fall on the upright and the wicked alike.

46 For if you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Do not even the tax collectors do as much?

47 And if you save your greetings for your brothers, are you doing anything exceptional?


What say you? Are such discussions being had in your parish or church?

I'm not going to tell you what to do, you figure out as you have to answer to God. Personally, and I'm not a pious person by any means, I would not give them anything. And here's why, in the first example the woman was pleading and acknowledging the power of Christ over something that she can't fix on her own. This wasn't someone coming over and expecting free things, this woman had to beg, and demean herself which is a demonstration of humility. This person I would help. For it's easier to integrate a humble person than an arrogant person who is just going to take your kindness for weakness.

And it's my personal opinion that the latter passage is to be taken in context of personal relationships, the Gospel of Matthew was written at a time when there wasn't rapid international migration. To use Bible passages as blind rules regardless of context is very dangerous, there is no situation in which discernment is not needed.

I would be very wary of helping faceless "asylum seekers" or "refugees", they may be nice people, they may also be unassimilable rapists who have no humility.
 
Romans 12 and 13 state that God is the one who decides the powers and authorities so we should not rebel.

Yet, when Emperor Julian rebelled against God by trying to build a third temple, he was punished greatly.

We should not worry about the sins of authorities, and instead of rebelling, I think we should pray for them.



There's a reason the only attempt at rebuilding the Third Temple has been hidden from you.

In 363 AD, the Roman Emperor Julian commissioned the rebuilding of the third temple in Jerusalem as an act of defiance against both Christianity itself and his predecessor, Emperor Constantius II.

His predecessor was the son of Constantine the Great, the first Roman Emperor to convert to Christianity and the man who molded the Empire into a Christian state. Like his father before him, Constantius II destroyed and permanently closed pagan temples, removed the Altar of Victory from the Senate House, and enacted the death penalty for those caught performing pagan sacrifices and rituals.

As an act of spiritual defiance, Constantius' successor, Emperor Julian, sought to revive the pagan history of the Roman Empire to restore it to its former glory. His first act of defiance was to be baptized in the blood of a bull to nullify the Christian water baptism of his youth.

Further decrees from his throne made it illegal for Christians to teach or to read from their sacred texts, Pagan temples were rebuilt and restored so that sacrifices to Roman Gods could be performed, and the rebirth of the pagan empire culminated in the commission to rebuild the third temple.

In his attempt to destroy the credibility of Jesus Christ and Christianity as a whole, he sought to discredit Christ's prophecy in John 2, which foretold not only the destruction of the temple, but of the new temple being the body of Christ as a replacement of a physical building.

Jesus answered and said unto them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
(John 2:19)

So Julian appointed special imperial officers to oversee the construction, while many devout practicers of Judaism had themselves contributed money and labor efforts to the cause.

The following accounts of the first hours of the construction of the third temple are taken from five historically verified historians, Theodoret, Sozomen, Socrates Scholasticus, John Chrysostom, and Gregory Nazianzen.

At first light after the first day of preparations, workers found that the vast amounts of soil they removed to reveal the foundation had somehow all been moved back into its place, completely covering the foundation once again.

Undeterred, they started to remove the soil again when “a sudden violent gale blew, and storms, tempests and whirlwinds scattered everything far and wide.” The entire construction site was thrown into chaos, and the structures and tools assembled for the work were thrown about and destroyed.

The work pressed on at the behest of Emperor Julian, until a massive earthquake rocked the site, where Gregory Nazianzen describes “the builders being driven against one another, as though by a furious blast of wind, and sudden heaving of the earth, driving some to seek refuge in a church.”

The nearby Christian church the workers sought shelter in was built by Constantine’s mother, St. Helena; though instead of refuge, first hand accounts describe the doors being flung closed by some unseen force, and thereafter locked and impossible to open.

More resistance met the workers when it was reported that pagan fountains near the temple site had miraculously dried up, famine began to break out upon the land, and two of the imperial officers who themselves had desecrated some of the sacred vessels within were found one morning to have been “eaten alive with worms” and the other “burnt asunder in the midst.”

Some firsthand accounts, as recorded and verified by the historians who were alive during the time to collect eye witness accounts, state that workers constantly reported the appearance of the symbol of the cross either in the sky by night, or sprinkled like “stars on the garments of workers”.

The final culmination of disaster struck when work began on the foundation itself, where it is reported by all 5 historians accounts that the workers were burned to death, completely consumed by fire when “they were forcing their way and struggling about the entrance a flame issued forth from the sacred place and stopped them.”

Aside from these 5 accounts, Roman pagan historian Ammianus Marcellinus recorded that, “terrifying balls of flame kept bursting forth near the foundation of the temple, and made the place inaccessible to the workmen, some of whom were burned to death; and since in this way the element persistently repelled them, the enterprise halted.”

Notwithstanding the defiance of the most powerful man who ruled the most powerful empire on the planet at that time, Emperor Julian was forced to abandon the construction of the third temple, and his act of defiance against God himself.

Gregory Nazianzen writes of the fires, “some it burnt up and consumed so that a fate befell them similar to the disaster of the people of Sodom, or to the miracle about Nadab and Abiud, who offered incense and perished so strangely: whilst others it maimed in the principal parts of the body, and so left them for a living monument of God's threatening and wrath against sinners.”

Emperor Julian, who’s name is now recorded as Julian the Apostate, died that same year in 363 AD.

Of his last moments it is written by the Greek church historian Theodoret that, after having suffered a wound that would not heal properly and began to haemorrhage, Julian had flung blood from his wound into the air and said his final words:

“You have conquered, Galilean!”

In his final moments he understood with the clarity only the throes of death can bring, that he had been defeated.

In an act of prideful defiance against Jesus, Julian sought to rebuild what God himself had prophesied torn down.

The emperor tried to defile the new covenant that Jesus resurrected body would be built upon, by erecting a temple which was a symbol of the old covenant.

But the King, prevailed against him.

Now when you read a few more verses into the words of Christ as recorded in John, you understand why there will be no third temple.

"But the temple he had spoken of was his body."
(John 2:21)
 
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If I handed money to every person on the street who asked for it, my family would be homeless and my children would starve. We are not called to be morons

🤣🤣🤣. Sorry, I was just reading through this thread and thought this was hilarious.

....although... there is this whole tradition in the East of holy fools... which I have to admit, I kind of like them. They do crazy stuff like purposely taking blame that is not theirs. But yeah, I don't think any of them have families to feed.
 
I’ve heard all the things like ‘Satan is the king of this world’, ‘don’t focus on the material’ , ‘we’re all sinners keep getting up’, ‘we are fallen’ ok but this doesn’t help in a practical manner in day to day life. I still find myself angry at times, lustful, and passing judgement no matter how many times I go to confession or go to church. Even during monastic retreats or times I’ve done daily mass, like clockwork those things returned and came up.

Thoughts?
I think it takes time, oftentimes a lot more time than we think, to purify ourselves and heal our weaknesses. I had a good talk with my priest yesterday, and he said, "Patience has no clock." God is working on you and helping you, even if you feel like nothing's happening. Just keep going.

My new thing when I find myself judging people is to redirect the thought to myself: how am I falling short, how can I improve?

We all have unpleasant emotions at times. We may not be able stop emotions and reactions, but we can control how we handle them. We can choose to take 10 deep breaths, calm down, and wait before doing or saying anything.

As for lust, that's not a temptation for me. But my husband tells me that when he sees some tempting stuff online, he closes it out and redirects his thoughts to me. I'm not sure what single men do. I guess I'd say use that energy to look for a wife.

The common theme here is redirecting your thoughts. I did confession today, and my priest told me to watch my thoughts, don't let them veer off course because a lot of things flow from our thoughts and that's where we start spinning. Don't let bad thoughts hang around long. Dismiss them by replacing them with better thoughts.
 
There is a huge controversy blowing up about Thomas Massie getting remarried 16 months after his first wife passed. Some are saying it is too soon, but I say anything over a year is acceptable.

However, a large number of people are saying that if you love your spouse, you should never remarry if they pass. If you do, you must not have loved them. They say it is disrespectful to the children and to the departed spouse's memory.

I couldn't disagree more! I am widowed, so on the one hand I know what it's like, and on the other hand you could say I am biased for considering remarriage eventually. However, I absolutely have thought this since I was old enough to be aware of the issues. I knew people who remarried in my church as a kid, and I have always accepted it.

When I was a pre-teen, I knew a pastor who remarried right at 1 year after his wife died of breast cancer. Her cancer and death was a horrendous ordeal. I knew the kids (who were the same age as me). I knew the woman he remarried as well. It was all fully accepted all the way around. This seems normal and acceptable to me.

I have heard of adult children where one supported the parent remarrying but some of the other siblings opposed it. I thought this was incredibly selfish. In fact, when I had the conversation, the one who supported his dad remarrying was telling me this to encourage me to remarry as well. He said remarriage restored his dad's vigor and gave him a new lease on life.

What surprises me is it's not just a few who think this, but possibly a majority think it is wrong to remarry after being widowed, and if you do you must not have loved your previous spouse!!! It is shocking that I reached my current age before realizing this thinking is so wide spread.

Edit: This probably pertains to Erica Kirk as well. It seems entirely natural and proper that she would remarry, although i would expect her to wait at least a year. I now realize that many will say that if she remarries she didn't love Kirk. I really can't understand this thinking.
 
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What surprises me is it's not just a few who think this, but possibly a majority think it is wrong to remarry after being widowed, and if you do you must not have loved your previous spouse!!! It is shocking that I reached my current age before realizing this thinking is so wide spread.
Well, a lot of people are pretty lost and clueless, so there's that.

I told my husband that if I pass before him, I wouldn't want him to be alone, I want him to be happy, and I'd fully support him remarrying. I doubt either of us ever would remarry if we were widowed - I'm almost certain I wouldn't - but for me, it wouldn't take anything at all away from our love if he did.
 
This is a dilemma, as at the time of Jesus you had genuine poor people - widows, orphans, the disabled - who would hang around certain areas and beg. It was good to give to those in need.
I've rolled my eyes for the better part of the last 10 or 15 years when I've heard this kind of stuff, the whole repeating of the inclinations or exhortations in the Gospel to act as if these are in any way applicable to the modern world. I feel like an elitist or prick when I have to tell people that to think that somehow now, widows with huge inheritances and pensions, and wards of the states even or adopted kids (who get more than a lot of people in the world currently) or even the disabled who the population at large suffers major inconvenience for - these types have laughable backstopping and accommodations compared to the near ancient middle east.

Transferring that kind of thinking, you'll quickly see that so many things we talk about in the forum, how clueless and thoughtless the average person is, the average churchgoer even. I'm not trying to be funny or mean even here, it's been unbelievably eye opening over the last 10 years just how routine and thoughtless most peoples lives are. I'm sorta chuckling as I write this, because honestly I don't have a negative bone in my body, I've accepted that's how life is. But it is rather pathetic.
talks about passing judgement and gossip as a sign of hidden hatred.
I've dealt many times with the "judgment" stuff, which is largely something that people just hide behind nowadays to justify their actions, in a sense. I say that because although I have heard such bold things from other people before ("You're going to hell" would be, I presume, a judgment) but they aren't that common. I also personally don't think like that and don't know about what will happen on judgement day. I do observe things though, and hold myself and others to standards. If I go too far in any expectation, Lord have mercy, but I find that healthy in a sense. It does depend on the relationshop or lack thereof, that you have with any given person to deal with them in a certain capacity, good or bad.

Gossip is a something to stay away from, however, and I think Fr. Spyridon rightly warns against it.
The fruit of the Holy Spirit isn't domination of others. We can't link worldly power/domination or lack thereof with fruits or rewards from God. In fact we know from Revelation that ultimately the domination of the evil ones will become so bad that if God wouldn't step in, all would be lost.
Great posts, Iakobos. I think you have hit it on the head here. It is curious that there are things about the material and spiritual dimensions that we seem rather hopeless against, without God, that is.
Waging war against the demons attacking our soul unfortunately is not a snappy one-and-done battle but a lifelong grind of endurance. He who struggles to the end will be saved. God wants to see us get up every time we fall as you say, He knows we are sinners who are not perfect and it's a trick of the demons to, after inducing you to sin, flip the script and induce you to despair and despondency for falling. They want you to think it's pointless to keep failing and getting back up but it pleases God when we keep making our best effort to repent and come back to Him over and over, no matter how many times it takes us.
While not trying to conform God with our way of thinking, it is a curious thing to ponder how God therefore views "sin." One very helpful teaching is that part of faithfulness is constant repentance, which also implies the admission of at least being broken and error prone, if not constantly sinning. It's easy for us in our way of thinking to question why do we have to go through this "game" or measure of endurance, but it's something we must accept. Of course, it's part of taking up one's cross, and caring as opposed to being uncaring, despondent. You rightly state that that's what the demons want us to fall into, the whole "What's the point?" thinking.
Example, let’s say a person was born with a disease. For 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 years this person is attempting to cure it and the treatments don’t work. In those cases we conclude, rightly I may add, that the treatments have failed.
This reminded me of the woman crippled for 18 years that Christ healed. I always loved one of the translations where Christ talks to the pharisees, who of course didn't like his healing on the sabbath, when he said, "the daughter of Abraham who was bound by Satan - think of it! for eighteen years"
When I'm honest with myself I know that when I fall to lust it is because I love my sin more than I am driven to refuse it for the love of God.
No doubt. This is a tricky one because we are quite reactive to impulses, hormones, thoughts, drugs, etc. But something we don't commonly do is really be honest about what we do that makes the temptations more likely, and thus set ourselves up for failure.

I also think we're sort of trapped over time, and depending on our age and health, but these are just explanations of why it happens, not necessarily excuses.
Forgiveness is a spiritual position of the offended party, not holding the offense against the offender in their heart anymore, releasing their anger, hatred or desire for vengeance from their heart, and instead praying that the offender be healed from their sickness and to come to know God's love and truth. Forgiveness is allowing the possibility of repentance and restoration of harmony and right relations.
Yes, we've had some discussion on this in several threads. The tricky part is the completeness of a relationship, or restoration of one, is including forgiveness and repentance, both. But let's say the offender doesn't repent. That still leaves the aggrieved with holding on to something that can hurt them, or letting it go and being free from such evil thoughts and desires, such as revenge. In that sense, we can forgive in a larger sense of offering that possibility you speak of - a nice way to put it. That sets free all inclination to harbor ill things or evil spirits.
However, a large number of people are saying that if you love your spouse, you should never remarry if they pass. If you do, you must not have loved them. They say it is disrespectful to the children and to the departed spouse's memory.
I never understood the moving on thing, especially quickly, but I never thought it was "wrong."

Nowadays I do think most tend to move on very quickly in a way that does disrespect their former husband or wife, and their kids if they have them.
 


I heard this story in a sermon and forgot, thank you for bringing it back to me. The priest said Julian would lounge at banquets and rub his forehead, and reply he was trying to wipe off his baptism when asked about it. I dont know, maybe he had a full immersion baptism.

This reminds me of Herod who stole the treasures from king David's tomb, and went in for more to see his workers killed by flames of fire shooting out of the sepulchre.
 
There is a huge controversy blowing up about Thomas Massie getting remarried 16 months after his first wife passed.
This has to do with temperament and access. There are some people who just have to be in a relationship at all times. But Massie also has access to a big pool of "replacement wives" that normies who are not famous and powerful don't have access to.
I am widowed, so on the one hand I know what it's like, and on the other hand you could say I am biased for considering remarriage eventually.
This is obviously a good state for you to be in and because I "kind of" know you I would 100% trust your judgement for yourself in this matter.
I doubt either of us ever would remarry if we were widowed - I'm almost certain I wouldn't...
And here we also have a very normal and rational take on the matter from someone else we "kind of" know.
This probably pertains to Erica Kirk as well. It seems entirely natural and proper that she would remarry, although i would expect her to wait at least a year.
Now this is dealing with someone we don't know who intentionally became famous (with all the underhandedness that that implies) and is now amplifying her fame which comes across as opportunistic (something we'd expect from someone who came up from the ranks of the cutthroat beauty pageant world). When "normal" people grieve they do so in black (not in white and in leather hot pants), they do so in private and without fireworks, and they are unconsolable in their grief and not out smiling and laughing on TV mere days after their spouse's brutal public assassination.
I now realize that many will say that if she remarries she didn't love Kirk.
No, she loved him. What we will be remarking on is how swiftly and easily she replaced him as if nothing happened. This touches a nerve with some people because they are not "relationship people," or what some call a "serial monogamists," and so the very few romantic relationships that they do have in their lifetime are not easily or quickly replaced.


Nick Fuentes points out some of these things regarding Erika in the below clip:
 
When "normal" people grieve they do so in black (not in white and in leather hot pants), they do so in private and without fireworks, and they are unconsolable in their grief and not out smiling and laughing on TV mere days after their spouse's brutal public assassination.
Even if she were to wear all black, with black makeup, people would say she is wearing her grief on her sleeve. If you've ever lost someone close, then you'd know there's no "right" way to carry yourself after it happens.
 
Even if she were to wear all black, with black makeup, people would say she is wearing her grief on her sleeve. If you've ever lost someone close, then you'd know there's no "right" way to carry yourself after it happens.
I've experienced enough grief and seen those around me experience enough grief to be able to notice abnormal grieving.

But that's not the singular issue here, it's the collective evidence that is her life's narrative. People without access to power and wealth are naturally critical of those with access to power and wealth because they can't figure out how one seemingly average person (in terms of IQ, talent, and physical beauty) can achieve so much in such a short amount of time. Normie working class men can't figure out why it is that they work an entire lifetime to own their home, be financially secure, and to work their way for 20 years up the corporate ladder to become CEO when one 34 year old blonde beauty pageant winner can lose her husband and within days gets made the CEO of a 150 million dollar corporation.

As Christians we should not accept positions and financial rewards in life that we have not earned.

But then again, "It's a big club and you ain't in it."
 
Romans 12 and 13 state that God is the one who decides the powers and authorities so we should not rebel.

Yet, when Emperor Julian rebelled against God by trying to build a third temple, he was punished greatly.

We should not worry about the sins of authorities, and instead of rebelling, I think we should pray for them.


What about the American Revolution was that justified or not?
 
What about the American Revolution was that justified or not?
Saying you should follow the law and avoid active disobedience is not the same as saying that every revolution is inherently wrong.

Judging by the fruit?

Well, compare America to what it could have been?

Canada? Totalitarian despot. Australia? The same. Great Britain itself? We aren't doing so great.

Maybe it was a sin at the time, but God forgave it because of faith. I don't know, and I'm not sure I'd care.

Though, Oliver Cromwell deposed Charles I in 1649, and then let Jews back into the country.

Long before the American Revolution.

Same in Russia. The Communists killed the Tsar, so surely they did not inherit the ministry from them, and thus rebelling against them was not rebelling against God.

Still, if we use that logic hastily, you can judge rebellion anywhere.
 
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