Catholicism: Criticism & Debate Thread

Showy commemorations like Ash Wednesday were done away with by the Reformers. This stuff has only recently seen a small resurgence in Protestant sects that are attracted to the more ornate and ceremonial traditions.
Showy commemoration? "This stuff" is deeply penitent and a somber remembrance of our mortality. People can wash the ashes off whenever they please and can remove it after the service if they want to. The mark itself is meant as a visible mark of our sin. Imagine walking around with tattoos of all the sins you've ever done written on your face for all to see. Doesn't seem like something to brag about to me and is meant to instill humility.
 


Trent Horn is against us using anonymous accounts. He’s suggesting that God will reward people for reckless behavior like putting their information online when crazy liberals want to dox people. Dude’s a complete moron.

Imagine being a person with a family providing for them. Are we supposed to just risk our livelihoods to spread the faith? Or are we supposed to be cunning?
 


Trent Horn is against us using anonymous accounts. He’s suggesting that God will reward people for reckless behavior like putting their information online when crazy liberals want to dox people. Dude’s a complete moron.

If an anoymous poster writes something that helps lead a person to salvation, God will certainly know who the anonymous poster is. God knows perfectly well when an anonymous poster stores up treasure in Heaven.
 


Trent Horn is against us using anonymous accounts. He’s suggesting that God will reward people for reckless behavior like putting their information online when crazy liberals want to dox people. Dude’s a complete moron.

Imagine being a person with a family providing for them. Are we supposed to just risk our livelihoods to spread the faith? Or are we supposed to be cunning?

It's a double edged sword. A lot of the stupid stuff I see on the internet would be gone if people couldn't hide behind their anon accounts.
 
It's a double edged sword. A lot of the stupid stuff I see on the internet would be gone if people couldn't hide behind their anon accounts.
I suppose it depends on how much we respect free speech vs how much we think others are idiots who need to be shielded from “misinformation.”

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I'm not into apololegics but this is tedious cookie cutter tier apologetics that a simple Wiki search debunks.

"The Old Testament does not make clear how the texts should be divided to arrive at ten commandments. The division traditionally used by the Catholic and Lutheran churches was first derived by the Latin Church Father Augustine of Hippo (354–430) who modified the original order in his book Questions on Exodus. Other Christian communities, such as the Eastern Orthodox Church and many Protestant churches, use the formulation standardized by the Greek Fathers of the Christian East. The two forms have slightly different numbering, but maintain exactly the same substance despite some Protestant claims to the contrary. Rabbinic Jewish numbering is more closely aligned with the Eastern Church tradition, considering the text against covetousness as a single proscription, but differs from Christian denominations in that it considers what many Christians call a prologue to be the entire first commandment."

My Catechism of the Council of Trent explains in depth the Catholic teaching of the worship of false idols.

Why, oh why do some of you here insist on spending time on these divisive, nit picking exercises. Do you not comprehend the times we're living in? We ought to be looking for common ground so that we can withstand what's coming, not constantly "othering" those of us who are baptised brothers in Christ. As a Catholic I spend many hours in prayer and worshiping the Lord each week and I could tell you many stories of miraculous events testifying that God is very much involved in my life, but you chose to see me as inferior.

Shame on you and the Dyer Orthobros for this nonsense. This thread and the general purple pillness of far too many CiK members is why I post so little here. The twelth hour is here, stop wasting time on fruitless, pendanic arguments that alienate rather than bond.
 
Why, oh why do some of you here insist on spending time on these divisive, nit picking exercises. Do you not comprehend the times we're living in? We ought to be looking for common ground so that we can withstand what's coming, not constantly "othering" those of us who are baptised brothers in Christ. As a Catholic I spend many hours in prayer and worshiping the Lord each week and I could tell you many stories of miraculous events testifying that God is very much involved in my life, but you chose to see me as inferior.

Shame on you and the Dyer Orthobros for this nonsense. This thread and the general purple pillness of far too many CiK members is why I post so little here. The twelth hour is here, stop wasting time on fruitless, pendanic arguments that alienate rather than bond.

I sympathize with this. And I understand the criticism that this kind of sympathy could be soy as well.

There's got to be something different about us trying to find common ground and the globohomo religous elites, and masses that follow them, "finding common ground".

I cringe every time I see these religious elites like the Pope and/or Ecumenical Patriarch and/or whatever fruity Anglican/Lutheran/Protestant bishop they've found embrace eachother because I know their intent is towards "world peace" and all the current values of liberal modernity. It's very obvious at this point. Either intentionally or unintentionally, they are building Babylon and feeding into ideologies that are ushering in the beast system.

Personally, I do respect the Pope as a father figure for the West. But I also think he spiritually encapsulates the current state of the West. So yeah, that makes me highly critical, angers me, and I shouldn't get into that to avoid offending and derailing what I'm trying to get at.

What I see here on this forum is at least people are earnest in their pursuit of Christ. We aren't trying to rehash the old trope that "all religions are the same" blah blah blah stuff. The foot goes down on things like the hindus, who simply worship demons, or the jews and muslims who call their diety "God" but, in fact, is worse than a demon and is the spirit of the anti-Christ himself (jews in particular on this one).

Maybe that can be a difference between us trying to find common ground and what the globohomos do. Christians here on this forum are always attempting to center on Christ, no matter the cost, at least from what I can see. I respect that despite disagreements that I'll never work out with fellow Christians here.
 
I'm not into apololegics but this is tedious cookie cutter tier apologetics that a simple Wiki search debunks.

"The Old Testament does not make clear how the texts should be divided to arrive at ten commandments. The division traditionally used by the Catholic and Lutheran churches was first derived by the Latin Church Father Augustine of Hippo (354–430) who modified the original order in his book Questions on Exodus. Other Christian communities, such as the Eastern Orthodox Church and many Protestant churches, use the formulation standardized by the Greek Fathers of the Christian East. The two forms have slightly different numbering, but maintain exactly the same substance despite some Protestant claims to the contrary. Rabbinic Jewish numbering is more closely aligned with the Eastern Church tradition, considering the text against covetousness as a single proscription, but differs from Christian denominations in that it considers what many Christians call a prologue to be the entire first commandment."

My Catechism of the Council of Trent explains in depth the Catholic teaching of the worship of false idols.

Why, oh why do some of you here insist on spending time on these divisive, nit picking exercises. Do you not comprehend the times we're living in? We ought to be looking for common ground so that we can withstand what's coming, not constantly "othering" those of us who are baptised brothers in Christ. As a Catholic I spend many hours in prayer and worshiping the Lord each week and I could tell you many stories of miraculous events testifying that God is very much involved in my life, but you chose to see me as inferior.

Shame on you and the Dyer Orthobros for this nonsense. This thread and the general purple pillness of far too many CiK members is why I post so little here. The twelth hour is here, stop wasting time on fruitless, pendanic arguments that alienate rather than bond.

I'm quite guilty of this myself but I agree that the infighting is an issue especially when it gets heated and personal. I feel that it's a consequence of it being an online space in a way... there's no real constructive enterprise that the members can collectively devote themselves to and so extended interactions end up zoning in on points of disagreement which are then inflamed. It's very challenging to walk that line of being in a community of Christian brethren of various confessions/allegiances but also feeling the duty to guard against ecumenism or push back against what are perceived as lies about the Church and the faith.
 
If an anoymous poster writes something that helps lead a person to salvation, God will certainly know who the anonymous poster is. God knows perfectly well when an anonymous poster stores up treasure in Heaven.
In some way, I like the (enormous, anoymous) anon poster because it gets a lot of the personality out of the way. If you "convert to Christ" because of a personality, then you need to ask yourself if it's really Christ you're converting to. I get uncomfortable when people compliment me when I'm sharing the Gospel. It shouldn't be about you, but about Jesus.
 
I sympathize with this. And I understand the criticism that this kind of sympathy could be soy as well.
And constant bitchy sniping and nit picking isn't about as feminine as it gets?
There's got to be something different about us trying to find common ground and the globohomo religous elites, and masses that follow them, "finding common ground".
That's the sort of conversations the Freemasons probably had around the time of the French Revolution. Yeah, that revolution, the one aimed at taking down Christendom. The one that occurred in Catholic France. The one whose victors birthed globohomo, the universal brotherhood of man, liberal secular societies, progress, and all those good things.
I cringe every time I see these religious elites like the Pope and/or Ecumenical Patriarch and/or whatever fruity Anglican/Lutheran/Protestant bishop they've found embrace eachother because I know their intent is towards "world peace" and all the current values of liberal modernity. It's very obvious at this point. Either intentionally or unintentionally, they are building Babylon and feeding into ideologies that are ushering in the beast system.
Ecumenism in itself isn't bad, it's what's motivating it that can be evil. If a Woke hierarchy gather to discuss common ground and advance a worldly agenda and not the Kingdom of God, then it's evil. From the earliest days of Christianity the devil has been at work creating divisions, looking for points of agreement (common ground) and working together to combat what we can all agree on as evil is advancing the Kingdom of God.
Personally, I do respect the Pope as a father figure for the West. But I also think he spiritually encapsulates the current state of the West. So yeah, that makes me highly critical, angers me, and I shouldn't get into that to avoid offending and derailing what I'm trying to get at.
I would argue the principle of a Pope, a patriarch, is Christian as it reflects the hierarchy of heaven, but I'm not going to spend precious time defending that position. And I understand fully that our leaders are not necessarily good men. Popes of the past have been downright wicked, but the Catholic Church is roomy and good, righteous men are ever present, keeping the faith and furthering the Kingdom. Hierarchy and obedience is a whole other discussion though.
What I see here on this forum is at least people are earnest in their pursuit of Christ. We aren't trying to rehash the old trope that "all religions are the same" blah blah blah stuff. The foot goes down on things like the hindus, who simply worship demons, or the jews and muslims who call their diety "God" but, in fact, is worse than a demon and is the spirit of the anti-Christ himself (jews in particular on this one).
We also have a number of larpers, who get their identity (and some their livelihood) from their affiliation with a demonination. They're the worst ones for nut picking and sniping. But sure, there are many here who earnestly seek a relationship with the one true God.
Maybe that can be a difference between us trying to find common ground and what the globohomos do. Christians here on this forum are always attempting to center on Christ, no matter the cost, at least from what I can see. I respect that despite disagreements that I'll never work out with fellow Christians here.
I answered that in my previous comment.

In regard to the nominal Christian larpers, well many of us do that in the beginning of our Christian walk. It's fake it to make it. But somewhere along the way that showy pride has to give way to a more discreet Christianity, one that the Father in Heaven sees, but nobody else. Without humility, or the seeking of humility, we're all just nominals.
 
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In regard to the nominal Christian larpers, well many of us do that in the beginning of our Christian walk. It's fake it to make it. But somewhere along the way that showy pride has to give way to a more discreet Christianity, one that the Father in Heaven sees, but nobody else. Without humility, or the seeking of humility, we're all just nominals.
Very well said. Sometimes I think that's where pretty much all of us sit. Nominal. Although that could be my protestant heritage speaking, haha.
 
We import the third world, who destroys the middle class, social trust, and wrecks the school system destroying gifted programs for talented young people. And this is what we get in return.


I thought Catholicism along with orthodoxy was growing with the younger gen. I’m surprised Hispanic Bills and blue cheese fans aren’t freaking out. What I find disturbing is the loss of that artwork. Like that’s some good craftsmanship there.
 
I thought Catholicism along with orthodoxy was growing with the younger gen. I’m surprised Hispanic Bills and blue cheese fans aren’t freaking out. What I find disturbing is the loss of that artwork. Like that’s some good craftsmanship there.

Yes, there probably are lots of other churches that are abandoned, why didn't the Buffalo diocese make an effort to preserve a cathedral like this?
 
Yes, there probably are lots of other churches that are abandoned, why didn't the Buffalo diocese make an effort to preserve a cathedral like this?

The Diocese of Buffalo is apparently benkrupt, and they sold this Church themselves in 2022 - so it's not a new story, someone is reheating it for clicks.
 
Yes, there probably are lots of other churches that are abandoned, why didn't the Buffalo diocese make an effort to preserve a cathedral like this?
I mean all respect to my Catholic siblings but the archdiocese doing nothing doesn’t surprise me. I’m more upset about the fact Islam is buying it. I’d rather see it repurposed as a public building like a theater, events center, or gallery. Islam will just march in and plaster over all that art and take off the statues on the facade.

Now as for the Catholic bit, from what I’ve noticed the RCC are globalists. They want mass migration and don’t like nationalism. For them, population churn is good from my observation. The orthodox churches tend to be more nationalistic.
 
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