Aliens

[Batman]

I remember when this happened, a lot of people were saying this a fabricated, I tend to agree with them on this particular story, I think they wanted to get some feedback on what society would say about the existance of an extraterrestrial being

Or just lazy Mexican scientists who want public attention to increase funding.

I have heard of operations, scars etc but I have also heard of sperm being taken from people who were "abducted" and some were impregnated too, I remember the one guy said he had the most amazing sexual experience with the most beautiful girl he had ever seen, apparently the people who were "abducted" we all not Christians but the Christians who did have these experienced were not taken but invited so they had the option of saying yes or no, concent. If you look into the old witchcraft stuff you will also find that demons took sperm from people or impregnated someone, its called incubi sucubi look it up, but seems like its not the demons sperm but they took sperm and somehow impregnated someone with that sperm.

Could just be more hypagogic/hypnopompic hallucinations, especially since many dreams are sexual due to the nature of our unconscious mind. I've had "wet dreams" that occured as I was drifting into waking consciousness (Hypnopompia) with vivid imagery. As for the pregnancy, I mean honestly I wouldn't be surprised if sexually promiscious women invented the story to hide infidelity or something.

Regarding UFO sightings many people have seen "UFO" stuff in broad daylight in very populated places where thousands all saw it at the same time like you said, a big mothership over the highway, these "ships" appear then dematerialize and disappear, some where apparently in view for quite a few minute, people took photos and videos

I believe they indeed saw UFOs. But remember what UFO stands for. Unidentified. To go from unidentified -> aliens seems like a massive leap. I would maintain the simpler explaination that they might in fact be advanced forms of life that originated on Earth and have either remained hidden or are returning after a long voyage. Or, in a similar vein, interdimensional/supernatural beings. Or, the lamest explaination: experimental government tech/bizarre atmospheric phenomenon, though I'm far less inclined to believe that. There's also mass formation psychosis and fakery, and if it's demonic that would make sense but makes me wonder what the hell their goal is, and I think the fakery/illusion explaination is the least likely. Either way, why attribute it to aliens when you don't have to?

 

[scary_robot_music]

I basically buy the mainstream concept of space. It's my understanding that if there were a civilization or had been one even as advanced as ours in this galaxy or any galaxy nearby we'd have picked up radio signals by now.

I imagine there's maybe lichen or bacteria or something like that on a handful of planets and moons throughout the universe, but that's about it.

 

[Batman]

I basically buy the mainstream concept of space. It's my understanding that if there were a civilization or had been one even as advanced as ours in this galaxy or any galaxy nearby we'd have picked up radio signals by now.

I imagine there's maybe lichen or bacteria or something like that on a handful of planets and moons throughout the universe, but that's about it.

There are a lot of things to consider here. One of the more interesting arguments isn't based around how common life is, but what form the life takes. We assume alien life is like us, one that communicates, forms civilization, and creates technology. For all we know, that could be 10^100 more rare than life itself. There are just too many variables. I mean just look at life on Earth. Some species may be just as intelligent as us, if not more - eg dolphins, orcas, corvidae, octopi, elephants. But why would they need to forge a civilization or space faring tech? They are carrying on just fine. Humans specifically evolved to find a niche, which is developing tools and tech, and to assume other aliens would follow this same path is weird to me. On the other hand it's suggested that DNA based life via evolution is the only way for life to form and advance, and emergent properties like intelligence, dexterity, communication, etc would be favored over the others, which would make it common...but if that's the case, why haven't we seen anything else?

I do think if life is common, it is probably simple life. There are too many forces to prevent life from having the dynamic yet stable environments needed to evolve into complex life (the more you learn about this, the more you realize how special and privileged Earth truly is). Regardless, even if conditions are optimal, we assume that the "goal" is for life to develop into space faring civilizations, which sounds a lot like projection and wishful thinking.

If intelligent life exists it could easily take forms we wouldn't even recognize as life. One of the more interesting depictions of this i've seen in fiction was "Phazon" in the Metroid Prime trilogy, a mutagenic, almost parasitic moss-like substance that has sentience, goals, and intentions, but does not show overt signs of sentience, let alone life at all. Another depiction was in the novel/book "Solaris" which basically describes an entire planet that is conscious/sentient. Would we even recognize that as life, and if so, would that even matter to us? We seem to have a real poverty of imagination in our depiction of aliens and their goals, but we really have no clue what they'd be like. So it's possible the Universe has mostly simple life, and the intelligent life isn't something we would even know how to recognize.

 

[GodfatherPartTwo]

We assume alien life is like us, one that communicates, forms civilization, and creates technology.

To stress the same point, I don't think that is by accident but something that also fits along with the narrative. Aliens are always portrayed as smarter humanoids, as in The Day the Earth Stood Still.

But why couldn't aliens just be something like Ridley Scott's Alien? Which is basically an animal. None of the language, space ships, and laser guns.

Funny thing about that 1951 film, the alien, who possesses miraculous powers, says that only God has the power to resurrect someone from the dead. It was a line that a guild forced the director to add into the movie, much to the director's chagrin.

I do find it interesting that many of these alien films can't help but dive into religious themes. Anyone who's seen ET will know what I'm talking about. Even Ridley Scott's Alien prequel, Prometheus, has humans created by another ancient group of aliens.

 

[GoodShepherd]

Or just lazy Mexican scientists who want public attention to increase funding.




Could just be more hypagogic/hypnopompic hallucinations, especially since many dreams are sexual due to the nature of our unconscious mind. I've had "wet dreams" that occured as I was drifting into waking consciousness (Hypnopompia) with vivid imagery. As for the pregnancy, I mean honestly I wouldn't be surprised if sexually promiscious women invented the story to hide infidelity or something.



I believe they indeed saw UFOs. But remember what UFO stands for. Unidentified. To go from unidentified -> aliens seems like a massive leap. I would maintain the simpler explaination that they might in fact be advanced forms of life that originated on Earth and have either remained hidden or are returning after a long voyage. Or, in a similar vein, interdimensional/supernatural beings. Or, the lamest explaination: experimental government tech/bizarre atmospheric phenomenon, though I'm far less inclined to believe that. There's also mass formation psychosis and fakery, and if it's demonic that would make sense but makes me wonder what the hell their goal is, and I think the fakery/illusion explaination is the least likely. Either way, why attribute it to aliens when you don't have to?

Well angels and demons are basically a more advanced form of life created by God, they are immortal they know the future, theu dont need to eat or drink, sleep, keep warm in the cold etc and they dwell in the invisible spiritual world and sometimes show themselves to us mortals.

The saints and nuns and monks who live in monestries they see the spiritual world more often than us, Iv read stories in mt Athos for example when new monks are about to be tonsured the devils come to their cells and scratch on their doors and windows barking and howling etc some of the monks have physically seen satan and he was walking through their gardens and destroyed all their plants broke the stems etc, this is normal on mt Athos, these are not people on drugs or weird people they very sane people, the "alien" experience the people in the secular world experience are these same beings they just call them something else.

 

[GoodShepherd]

Or just lazy Mexican scientists who want public attention to increase funding.




Could just be more hypagogic/hypnopompic hallucinations, especially since many dreams are sexual due to the nature of our unconscious mind. I've had "wet dreams" that occured as I was drifting into waking consciousness (Hypnopompia) with vivid imagery. As for the pregnancy, I mean honestly I wouldn't be surprised if sexually promiscious women invented the story to hide infidelity or something.



I believe they indeed saw UFOs. But remember what UFO stands for. Unidentified. To go from unidentified -> aliens seems like a massive leap. I would maintain the simpler explaination that they might in fact be advanced forms of life that originated on Earth and have either remained hidden or are returning after a long voyage. Or, in a similar vein, interdimensional/supernatural beings. Or, the lamest explaination: experimental government tech/bizarre atmospheric phenomenon, though I'm far less inclined to believe that. There's also mass formation psychosis and fakery, and if it's demonic that would make sense but makes me wonder what the hell their goal is, and I think the fakery/illusion explaination is the least likely. Either way, why attribute it to aliens when you don't have to?

Well angels and demons are basically a more advanced form of life created by God, they are immortal they know the future, theu dont need to eat or drink, sleep, keep warm in the cold etc and they dwell in the invisible spiritual world and sometimes show themselves to us mortals.

The saints and nuns and monks who live in monestries they see the spiritual world more often than us, Iv read stories in mt Athos for example when new monks are about to be tonsured the devils come to their cells and scratch on their doors and windows barking and howling etc some of the monks have physically seen satan and he was walking through their gardens and destroyed all their plants broke the stems etc, this is normal on mt Athos, these are not people on drugs or weird people they very sane people, the "alien" experience the people in the secular world experience are these same beings they

Well angels and demons are basically a more advanced form of life created by God, they are immortal they know the future, theu dont need to eat or drink, sleep, keep warm in the cold etc and they dwell in the invisible spiritual world and sometimes show themselves to us mortals.

The saints and nuns and monks who live in monestries they see the spiritual world more often than us, Iv read stories in mt Athos for example when new monks are about to be tonsured the devils come to their cells and scratch on their doors and windows barking and howling etc some of the monks have physically seen satan and he was walking through their gardens and destroyed all their plants broke the stems etc, this is normal on mt Athos, these are not people on drugs or weird people they very sane people, the "alien" experience the people in the secular world experience are these same beings they just call them something else.

If you notice the people who go on psychadelics they also see beings and these beings also talk about religion, heretical stuff, coinceidence?

 

[KulturedKaveman]

I'm partial to the idea of aliens being demons, but before I get there, I'm questioning if aliens even exist in the first place. Let me see the "evidence" of aliens before I tell you if they are demons.

My biggest contention is that secularists have the utmost faith in the existent of aliens, and will even argue with you over their existence, despite zero evidence. But when it comes to God, which is the only way to make sense of the world, they don't believe despite overwhelming evidence in the veracity of the Bible.

They mathematically exist by secular logic, but they can’t talk to us by secular logic. Or if they can talk to us, they’re long gone. To demonstrate this to get to the closest star it will take 4.8 years traveling at the speed of light. But you can’t travel at the speed of light. E=MC2, you’d be vaporized into photons. And theoretically let’s pretend you could, the force of every particle of the cosmos hitting your ship at the speed of light would rend any manmade or “manmade” object to shreds. With stupid advanced technology it would take hundreds of years to get to the closest star with its dead rocky worlds. How much further to the closest habitable planet? If extra terrestrials exist they are either intelligent beings created in gods image and are subject to the same laws of physics we are or they’re just microbes or fungi and completely irrelevant. If they’re the former, if we got a message from them empires would have risen and fallen and entire eras would have passed between the sending of the message and receiving of the message. Aliens as extraterrestrials, the drive is just too far for the theory to be relevant.

There’s an indie game that demonstrates this concept called the Anglerfish Project. You play as a fisherman on a lonely asteroid sending a probe into deep space with your fishing pole trying to pick up signals. Most of them are very bittersweet. Yet you can do nothing to help them. The events you pick up have happened thousands of years ago.

 

[GoodShepherd]

They mathematically exist by secular logic, but they can’t talk to us by secular logic. Or if they can talk to us, they’re long gone. To demonstrate this to get to the closest star it will take 4.8 years traveling at the speed of light. But you can’t travel at the speed of light. E=MC2, you’d be vaporized into photons. And theoretically let’s pretend you could, the force of every particle of the cosmos hitting your ship at the speed of light would rend any manmade or “manmade” object to shreds. With stupid advanced technology it would take hundreds of years to get to the closest star with its dead rocky worlds. How much further to the closest habitable planet? If extra terrestrials exist they are either intelligent beings created in gods image and are subject to the same laws of physics we are or they’re just microbes or fungi and completely irrelevant. If they’re the former, if we got a message from them empires would have risen and fallen and entire eras would have passed between the sending of the message and receiving of the message. Aliens as extraterrestrials, the drive is just too far for the theory to be relevant.

There’s an indie game that demonstrates this concept called the Anglerfish Project. You play as a fisherman on a lonely asteroid sending a probe into deep space with your fishing pole trying to pick up signals. Most of them are very bittersweet. Yet you can do nothing to help them. The events you pick up have happened thousands of years ago.

Sometimes I wonder how true all this speed of light stuff is even true, if you light a candle eventually that light gets disapated and because weaker and more defused the further you travel, eventually you wont be able to see it anymore, there is humidity and dust (noise) in the particles of the air, a lazer beam works a little different it can travel further but eventually it should also spread out and defuse, the stars seem to be lights not lazer beams, so how can that light be travelling for so many light years and we see it so clearly so far away? How do they even measure that?

When I look up the sun and moon dont even seem to be too far away and some people have sent up go pro cameras to balloons and sent them very high into the sky and the sun seems close by.

Regarding messages from extra terrestrial beings just look at the Greek mythology or the genesis 6 example where these beings who were not human came down to earth, it sounds very similar to modern alien stories, other cultures have these same kind of stories too.

The CIA according to Jay Dyer are also in contact with beings, they have also been doing research about the occult and how to harness it to use as a weapon, they apparently even contacted some exorcists from the Catholic church to view an exocsism which they denied them apparently, seems like our modern rulers just like the old ones are also in contact with spiritual beings (what secular people call aliens) what we call demons.

 

[GoodShepherd]

Here are some quotes from some Orthodox saints regarding UFO's and aliens

 

[KulturedKaveman]

Sometimes I wonder how true all this speed of light stuff is even true, if you light a candle eventually that light gets disapated and because weaker and more defused the further you travel, eventually you wont be able to see it anymore, there is humidity and dust (noise) in the particles of the air, a lazer beam works a little different it can travel further but eventually it should also spread out and defuse, the stars seem to be lights not lazer beams, so how can that light be travelling for so many light years and we see it so clearly so far away? How do they even measure that?

Redshift. When you take That into account you’re looking deep into the past. If a star is 54 million light years away that moment i time you’re looking at is 54 million years ago.

When I look up the sun and moon dont even seem to be too far away and some people have sent up go pro cameras to balloons and sent them very high into the sky and the sun seems close by.

Suns like six light minutes from what I understand. Moons like a couple seconds.

Regarding messages from extra terrestrial beings just look at the Greek mythology or the genesis 6 example where these beings who were not human came down to earth, it sounds very similar to modern alien stories, other cultures have these same kind of stories too.

The CIA according to Jay Dyer are also in contact with beings, they have also been doing research about the occult and how to harness it to use as a weapon, they apparently even contacted some exorcists from the Catholic church to view an exocsism which they denied them apparently, seems like our modern rulers just like the old ones are also in contact with spiritual beings (what secular people call aliens) what we call demons.

I heard somewhere all sorts of weirdness was being played with during WWII and a precursor to NASA was studying the stars not for exploration but for metaphysical reasons. Anything went in that war, including sorcery. We 100% know the Nazis were dabbling. It would be a joke to tell me the west isn’t. I usually take “end times” stuff with a grain of salt but as the veil whittles between our world and theirs maybe Christs return is sooner than we think.

 

[GoodShepherd]

Redshift. When you take That into account you’re looking deep into the past. If a star is 54 million light years away that moment i time you’re looking at is 54 million years ago.

Suns like six light minutes from what I understand. Moons like a couple seconds.

I heard somewhere all sorts of weirdness was being played with during WWII and a precursor to NASA was studying the stars not for exploration but for metaphysical reasons. Anything went in that war, including sorcery. We 100% know the Nazis were dabbling. It would be a joke to tell me the west isn’t. I usually take “end times” stuff with a grain of salt but as the veil whittles between our world and theirs maybe Christs return is sooner than we think.

Im not convinced that light can travel such long distances and still be so clear for us to see because even if I shine my lazer pointer outside at night the further the light goes the weaker and more difused it becomes, the stars are not even shining like a lazer pointer they are also always in the same spots in the sky every night even sailors have used the stars to guide their ships into ports, if they are so far away and moving away from us at such high speeds we would have noticed a change by now Im just not convinced to believe that their argument isnt convincing enough for me.

 

[Wutang]

Pretty interesting points being made here. I've noticed that for a lot of these people who are fascinated by the idea of the physical cosmos and aliens and the whole "we are made of stardust" type of thought, it seems likes they are almost pantheistic in the way the talk about the universe though if you asked them about their religious beliefs I'm sure they would say they were materialist atheists. The way the guys like Carl Sagan, Neil Tyson, Richard Dawkins talk about the universe it almost seems like almost see it as a God-like thing though of course they would deny the universe had any sort of consciousness or will. It's like they are creating an alternative religion for the secular set.

 

[thinkreadwritecode]

I get the stardust thing because, if you're an atheist, it's still pretty miraculous the universe became self-aware through the eventual existence of consciousness and human beings.

I don't know if the universe is simply a veil being drawn over our eyes to prevent us from seeing what's out there, but it's interesting to me how vast God made it, so vast that any other civilization would have to figure out how to break the speed of light barrier or overcome great distances through things like wormholes.

I used to find the alien discussion interesting but recently I've grown tired of it. I think I've read every theory about aliens there is, but at the end of the day, assuming the whole Galactic Federation is completely real, it still doesn't affect my day-to-day life whatsoever. Aliens would only become relevant if they contacted us and began trade or allowed us to colonize other planets. Since that isn't happening, I don't see any point to aliens, for now. Humanity would have to learn how to properly govern itself and be a proper steward of its planet before I could see that coming to pass.

I am curious, though, where the idea comes from that demons can take any form they wish and fool people into believing they are this or that. I know there's the verse that talks about Satan disguising himself as a good angel, and I know angels have shown themselves as humans, or there's the 'biblically-accurate' angels, but I am not certain where the shapeshifting idea comes from. Can anyone point me to the church's view on that?

 

[Get2choppaaa]

I was long this thread was about the movie franchise.

That's a story I can get behind.

As far as ET being's nah... Unless you're considering Angels and Demon's aliens. Those are real

 

[Wutang]

I get the stardust thing because, if you're an atheist, it's still pretty miraculous the universe became self-aware through the eventual existence of consciousness and human beings.

Seems like the atheists that spend a lot of time thinking about these sort of existential questions (as opposed to the atheists that simply don't care about the big questions in life) either fall into "we're so small and insignificant" nihilist crowd or the stardust crowd. What seems to separate the latter from the former is if that the latter thinks there's some sort of overall purpose to life. The stardust crowd tend to think humanity is meant to learn as much as about the universe as possible and to eventually conquer it via technology and also tend to be into ideas such as transhumanism. This is their telos in the same way achieving Theosis/the Beatific Vision/heaven is the goal of Christians. This sort of ideology almost seems religious like only instead of having God you have humanity becoming gods. It resembles some sort of promethean techo-paganism.

I'm reminded of what the serpent told Eve in the garden, "you will become like gods". Funny how people who see themselves as being beyond the sort of issues brought up in the Bible can't but help escape it and how the Bible has predicted the responses of people to it's message and how the responses haven't really changed even after centuries.

 

[GodfatherPartTwo]

The way the guys like Carl Sagan, Neil Tyson, Richard Dawkins talk about the universe it almost seems like almost see it as a God-like thing though of course they would deny the universe had any sort of consciousness or will. It's like they are creating an alternative religion for the secular set.

In my Bible study, we say that they can't help but use worshipful language when describing the cosmos.

This sort of ideology almost seems religious like only instead of having God you have humanity becoming gods.

That is every religion except for the Christian faith. Even Christians struggle with not ascribing to themselves perogatives and qualities that belong to God alone.

 

[Wutang]

Owen cyclops (a name that might be familiar to some of you people hanging around in the online Orthodox sphere) did a long tweet thread about his experiences with psychedelic's. Wasn't sure where to post this but I thought this thread might be appropriate since he spends quite a bit of time talking about the alien abduction/demon angle

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the phenomenon of beings who come in darkness and who like to fuck with humans who have a weird sexual aspect who lie about who they are to try and suck people into their world is well documented in human history, it just goes by a different name.

theyre demons.

aliens are obviously an extension of the demonological phenomenon. this dovetails perfectly with the theme of sex and alien hybrids, and explains their supraphysical nature (ie their “ships” aren’t literally physical ships like ours but supraphysical like a spiritual phenomenon).

we’ll get to this more later, but in this thread as im describing demons, dont think of like, hellfire black shadow beings with pitchforks. demons are “just” fallen angels. theyre angels that are in rebellion against god so they have the power of angels but do what they want.

 

[Thomas More]

I'm surprised I never posted on this thread. I voted no in the poll, and must have figured I'd come back later to post.

Like many other posters, I believe any aliens that are seen are demons. I believe God created all life. I suppose he could have created other beings on other planets, but I don't think that's the case.

I have noticed the NASA types all put a great deal of thought and effort in discovering life on other planets. They think if they find bacteria on Mars, it means life evolved there separately. I agree with Scary Robot Music that some low order life could exist on other planets, but I think Man is the only being created in God's image.

That being said, I am in factor of space exploration, because I think spaceships are cool, and I think it would be cool to have space colonies. I see this as a frontier, another opportunity for developing real estate and resources. I would love to go to the Moon or Mars. I can hardly understand other people not wanting to do this if they could.

As for aliens and UFOs, you see a lot of news about this, as if the government really has been having contacts with aliens, and access to advanced technology, and they might release the data. I think even Trump has said this. I don't believe this is true at all, and I'm convinced anything they say is a lie to misdirect the public, similar to the way they push gayness, feminism and psych meds.

 

[MusicForThePiano]

14th century jews stealing European children for Purim (reenactment):


View attachment alienfunny.mp4

 

[Giordano Bruno]