Aliens

[GodfatherPartTwo]

What do you think? Personally, I say no. I don't see much room for them in the grand scheme of things. I also find it interesting that their existence is a given in the naturalistic worldview, so they are used as an icon of sorts in the promotion of darwinism. Whether one believes they exist or not, they fit the secular narrative regardless.

 

[Caduceus]

Demons can take almost any non physical appearance they wish.
In past times they appeared as centaurs, gargoyles, dragons, sea monsters, ghosts, and countless other forms.
From the mid 20th century to today they have decided to take the form of "aliens" from "outer space" with "spacecrafts"
Also, their obsession with kidnapping, and anal probing victims gives away their true identities.

So, aliens do NOT exist as physical creatures with physical spacecrafts, but they DO exist as non physical demonic identities.
Eventually aliens will go out of fashion, and demons will change over to yet another non physical form.

 

[MusicForThePiano]

No. All demons. Certain cryptids may have been real, but also were likely corrupted or a demonic guise of the time period. Who needs aliens as a distraction when you have actual serpents in human skin suits running your banks and lesser serpents crawling in your countries destroying everything in sight?

This mode of thinking is dying out, the "but what is out there man" cluelessness. "Its ignorant to think we're alone in this gawaxy" agitprop parroted NASA tonguespeak. They may have been able to convince the boomers in the 70s that aliens were real with all the psyops, the light shows and the experimental aircrafts and the LSD, but that didn't last.

I'll never forget hearing the testimony of someone who's sister was in a satanic cult, and she would go to the woods with her seance coven to speak with "spirits". This was somewhere in the rural USA in the 1970s. They would profane their tongues and their bodies, and then the lights in the sky would "dance". The "spirits" which we know are disembodied fallen angels or some similar creature with inherently negative spiritual influence (anti-God energy) can take the form of whatever they choose, especially to the eyes of these willful sinners. In these cases they would appear as rapid-moving lights across the sky. I think it is possible for these entities to appear this way to people who are not in a ritual, but its much rarer. For a demon to appear in front of someone, for any reason, is not good. Confession, prayer, mercy, abstinence from sin, and love for God keep them away.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

It’s a cool bedtime story but nonsensical given the conflicting storylines surrounding them.

1. They’re cold unsympathetic creatures who kidnap people and cattle to do experiments on them.
2. They refuse to interfere and let themselves be known because they respect muh natural development / undisturbed habitat so much.
3. Their technology makes them almost impossible to catch on camera, even when they’re out walking around in Arizona. They also used to crash their saucers in the US all the time 50 years ago.
4. They’re over here because they’re sick or have below replacement reproduction on their home planet. Humans have magical DNA. They’re also here as a fatherly figure for humanity to make sure we don’t use nuclear arms or get into trouble.
5. Sometimes they like doing crop circles in the UK.

I wouldn’t be surprised if one alien pill guy says all those true.

 

[Blade Runner]

It’s a cool bedtime story but nonsensical given the conflicting storylines surrounding them.

1. They’re cold unsympathetic creatures who kidnap people and cattle to do experiments on them.
2. They refuse to interfere and let themselves be known because they respect muh natural development / undisturbed habitat so much.
3. Their technology makes them almost impossible to catch on camera, even when they’re out walking around in Arizona. They also used to crash their saucers in the US all the time 50 years ago.
4. They’re over here because they’re sick or have below replacement reproduction on their home planet. Humans have magical DNA. They’re also here as a fatherly figure for humanity to make sure we don’t use nuclear arms or get into trouble.
5. Sometimes they like doing crop circles in the UK.

I wouldn’t be surprised if one alien pill guy says all those true.

It's literally bizarre and/or the definition of stupid, convenient excuses. They are so advanced but won't interact with us? It seems like traveling a long way to just play games with our weirdest, dumbest or most loony people is a great idea. One of the other things that fits with the ideas of why there is both something out there that is greater and the suggestion that they won't interact too heavily with us is this constant idea by non-religious people, who have no evidence of ETs, all think that humans are some low level life form. You can't make this kind of stupid up.

 

[KulturedKaveman]

The thing that got the gears turning for me is the concept of the Pleroma. Aliens probably are real, but they aren’t what we think they are. You see the beings of light are different than beings of earth. They have vestiges, not bodies so they can look like whatever they want to look like. These things we call aliens are really demons. They DEFINITELY exist. But they’re extra dimensional beings. And even if they are real in the pop culture sense as extraterrestrial beings, they still would have had to be created by god.

The biggest troll God could ever pull on humanity would be to create aliens, but they show up to earth preaching Christianity, or a parallel to it, and they understand the messiah came from this planet.

 

[GodfatherPartTwo]

The thing that got the gears turning for me is the concept of the Pleroma. Aliens probably are real, but they aren’t what we think they are. You see the beings of light are different than beings of earth. They have vestiges, not bodies so they can look like whatever they want to look like. These things we call aliens are really demons. They DEFINITELY exist. But they’re extra dimensional beings. And even if they are real in the pop culture sense as extraterrestrial beings, they still would have had to be created by god.

The biggest troll God could ever pull on humanity would be to create aliens, but they show up to earth preaching Christianity, or a parallel to it, and they understand the messiah came from this planet.

I'm partial to the idea of aliens being demons, but before I get there, I'm questioning if aliens even exist in the first place. Let me see the "evidence" of aliens before I tell you if they are demons.

My biggest contention is that secularists have the utmost faith in the existent of aliens, and will even argue with you over their existence, despite zero evidence. But when it comes to God, which is the only way to make sense of the world, they don't believe despite overwhelming evidence in the veracity of the Bible.

 

[GoodShepherd]

According to the Church they are demons, I agree with Kultured Kaveman that they are real beings they exist but the Churchs understands them as demons, spiritual beings but the secular world sees them as physical beings and calls them aliens and they are always trying to find "life" in outer space far away but we have never found life out there, all these "aliens" (demons) that we encounter are all right here on earth.

@godfatherpartwo when I was a protestant there was a good protestant speaker called Dr Chuck Missler maybe you have heard of him? He wrote an entire book on Aliens called alien encounters and also had an series on it Im sure you can find it on youtube and he spoke about them often, did a lot of reasearch on them and he always said they are spiritual beings. In the series he had a guy on who would study and read the writings of people who did channeling, where an aliens (demons) would take over them (possess) and write books through people, I found it very interesting that the "aliens" said they want to make Israel their official capital and they basically were saying all the religions are the same etc, you can see its demons by their heresies.

Father Seraphim Rose has some good things to say about Aliens and UFO too he has a good book called Orthodoxy and the religion of the future.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

This just popped up on my youtube feed. It seems like a pretty good and short discussion on this topic and how Aliens are demons and how Jesus Christ will protect you from them.

 

[Batman]

I'm not religious, so I can chime in as someone who has a deep knowledge of astronomy/cosmology and evolutionary biology, and I'll base my arguments off of that as well as the assumption that life started on Earth naturally rather than God. If God did create the Universe I'm likely to think he "let it do it's own thing" and orchestrated life to evolve on Earth organically...but that's another discussion. Anyway.

Most people insist there "must be" life in the Universe based off probability alone. There are billions of galaxies, each with billions of stars, each star likely having planets..."just do the math" they will say. But recently some astronomers have been outspoke critics against this, but they of course barely get any attention. The basic counter argument is quite simple: if life arose on Earth due to abiogenesis, we have absolutely no idea how probable that is since we have a sample size of 1. Survivorship bias makes it seem like it must be likely, especially since it happened in a relatively short timespan. But we really have no idea. If the odds of abiogenesis are 10^24, then there very well not be any life in the observable Universe. This of course doesn't even account for the conditions necessary for the life to evolve into complex life, and then space faring civilizations, which could also be astronomically low chances due to "great filters" ending life on the planet, such as cosmic rays, asteroids, civil war, malevolent tech, etc.

In short, people are too optimistic. As it stands, we have no evidence of aliens. The fact that the US Govt says they've encountered them means they haven't, because they lie about everything. Personally, I believe the US government is obsessing over them because they have too much waste and many govt offices do nothing but sit in offices and watch Youtube all day. It's also possible they're just doing it to distract the citizens from its deep economic and social problems, like a psyop. UFOs have many possible explainations besides "aliens", some of which are quite interesting.

It's likely either that life is extremely rare, or extremely common, and it's probably not the latter since we've seen zero signs of it. It wouldn't even be hard to detect - we could detect planets with "biosignatures" such as oxygen rich atmospheres, and we've yet to do so, and sure, some aliens might be so exotic we wouldn't even be able to recognize them as sentient life, but that's highly speculative, albeit interesting. People argue we've hardly looked for very long or haven't looked very far, true, but we're in the part of the galaxy that is most likely for life to occur (the core is too dangerous) and we've seen NOTHING whatsoever in decades now. Will people still make this argument in 100 years?

The most realistic estimate that I heard is that there is one civilization per galaxy, which seems possible, but it's also very possible we're the first intelligent life in the Universe. People hate this idea though because they hate themselves and project it onto humanity as a whole which prevents them from letting themselves admit they may be special, and insist that's arrogant. The mediocrity principle also comes into play. In short there is a lot of emotional arguments people make for why they believe in aliens, and they're pretty flawed.

Oh one last point. People will say the Universe is may be infinite. If that's true, it doesn't matter. The fact that the Universe is expanding faster than light means we will never be able to reach anything outside of what we can currently see (ie the Observable Universe), because everything is moving away from us faster than light speed. So if the Universe is indeed infinite, we're effectively alone, even if life is teeming in the infinite expanse outside of our observable Universe. Personally, if you believe we're the only life in the Universe it makes us truly feel important and special and there's nothing wrong with that. Assuming life must be everywhere devalues our existence. If we somehow knew life did not exist in the entire Universe, our perspectives would radically change for the better, and we might finally be able to value our lives enough to build a proper civilization.

 

[GodfatherPartTwo]

Most people insist there "must be" life in the Universe based off probability alone.

Bingo. But probability doesn't exist in a vacuum. Why would ET be any more probable based on the vastness of the universe? There's an assumption behind the probability. That assumption is how life is believed to have begun in the first place. If abiogenesis is true, then it's probable that there is ET life somewhere in the universe. If the Bible is true, then there's not really any reason to believe there is any ET life.

People hate this idea though because they hate themselves and project it onto humanity as a whole which prevents them from letting themselves admit they may be special, and insist that's arrogant. The mediocrity principle also comes into play. In short there is a lot of emotional arguments people make for why they believe in aliens, and they're pretty flawed.

Most of the secular literature is used to promote these sentiments: the universe is huge and there are aliens, therefore, you are insignificant and not special. Basically, the opposite of the Christian worldview, where God created you, therefore, you are significant and are special.

If we somehow knew life did not exist in the entire Universe, our perspectives would radically change for the better, and we might finally be able to value our lives enough to build a proper civilization.

It almost makes you wonder why the power brokers have a vested interest in pushing this agenda. Just to add insult to injury, they were promoting the idea of panspermia, which is the idea that aliens created humans, which would mean you're even less special and significant than other life forms. Ever seen Mission to Mars?

 

[Batman]

Most of the secular literature is used to promote these sentiments: the universe is huge and there are aliens, therefore, you are insignificant and not special. Basically, the opposite of the Christian worldview, where God created you, therefore, you are significant and are special.

Which I find frustrating. You can already find great significance and meaning without the need for God (not that I'm arguing against him, I'm not an atheist or even a secularist, but this fact elludes most people). If intelligent life is extremely rare, that means we're special. We are literally composed of the stellar remnants of stars that went supernova, which can also provide a deep sense of belonging to the cosmos rather than the western notion that we're just "flukes of nature" that don't belong and are here on borrowed time. I feel a deep connection to the cosmos and there's no need to invoke anything mystical. The question of consciousness does come into play though, panpsychism is a fascinating idea and I'm curious what people here would think of it, because it is in a sense an argument for God, but can also be viewed without invoking a need for him either.

It almost makes you wonder why the power brokers have a vested interest in pushing this agenda. Just to add insult to injury, they were promoting the idea of panspermia, which is the idea that aliens created humans, which would mean you're even less special and significant than other life forms. Ever seen Mission to Mars?

The whole obsession with Mars is an incredible waste of time. It's a dead, lifeless planet. Maybe it was once habitable, but it's not now. We're far better off looking for life in Venus' upper atmosphere or under the ice in Europa if we want to find life. But if life originated on Mars and it seeded Earth, that just moves the goalpost and doesn't explain anything. It would just mean Mars is special and not Earth. If we found microbes or fossilized microbes on Mars that could also imply Earth had seeded it instead, which still doesn't really change anything. The implications of finding alien life is only interesting when it's very far away since it rules out any possibility of it forming from the same source locally and getting spread around. Even finding microbes in another star system would at least imply that abiogenesis may not be rare after all.

The idea of panspermia doesn't imply it was deliberate by aliens, it can just be caused by natural events eg asteroid collisions. The idea that an alien would purposely seed life is interesting, but completely speculative so I don't really give it any thought. It's just another way of moving the goalpost, because then the question becomes, well how did the aliens start? It's like when people ask "what caused the Big Bang?" well, if we could answer that we'd then have to ask what caused the event that caused the big bang. And btw, you would have to ask "who created God?" too. Or, you can simply say in either case "it just happened of its own accord", which is a perfectly acceptable answer to me. In fact, some theoretical/quantum physics suggest the Big Bang and the entire Universe was birthed spontaneously out of nothing, from random quantum fluctuations...if you think about it, in an infinite timeframe, "something" happening rather than nothing not only seems probable, but inevitable. They even go as far as to suggest "Boltzman Brains" might exist, which are human beings (a whole body, or just a brain) that come into existence sui generis in a vaccuum, from random quantum fluctuations, which again seems inevitable in an infinite Universe/timeline. But that same logic could explain how God came into existence too. There's absolutely NO reason God and science cannot be compatible, and it sickens me.

 

[GodfatherPartTwo]

You can already find great significance and meaning without the need for God (not that I'm arguing against him, I'm not an atheist or even a secularist, but this fact elludes most people).

As a Christian, I don't grant that you can, but we don't have to argue that at this point.

It's just another way of moving the goalpost, because then the question becomes, well how did the aliens start? It's like when people ask "what caused the Big Bang?" well, if we could answer that we'd then have to ask what caused the event that caused the big bang. And btw, you would have to ask "who created God?" too. Or, you can simply say in either case "it just happened of its own accord", which is a perfectly acceptable answer to me.

Agreed that panspermia is just shifting the goalposts on how life begins. As for the infinite regress, God is the only sufficient answer. That is known as the cosmological argument for God. The Big Bang only provides an account of material reality, not immaterial, not does it provide an account for itself. Even in naturalism, nothing happens of its own accord. So I believe the criticism against the Big Bang happening of its own accord is that it's inconsistent with the rest of the naturalistic worldview that comes afterward. Whereas in the Christian worldview, even the Big Bang can be accounted for.

 

[GoodShepherd]

I'm not religious, so I can chime in as someone who has a deep knowledge of astronomy/cosmology and evolutionary biology, and I'll base my arguments off of that as well as the assumption that life started on Earth naturally rather than God. If God did create the Universe I'm likely to think he "let it do it's own thing" and orchestrated life to evolve on Earth organically...but that's another discussion. Anyway.

Most people insist there "must be" life in the Universe based off probability alone. There are billions of galaxies, each with billions of stars, each star likely having planets..."just do the math" they will say. But recently some astronomers have been outspoke critics against this, but they of course barely get any attention. The basic counter argument is quite simple: if life arose on Earth due to abiogenesis, we have absolutely no idea how probable that is since we have a sample size of 1. Survivorship bias makes it seem like it must be likely, especially since it happened in a relatively short timespan. But we really have no idea. If the odds of abiogenesis are 10^24, then there very well not be any life in the observable Universe. This of course doesn't even account for the conditions necessary for the life to evolve into complex life, and then space faring civilizations, which could also be astronomically low chances due to "great filters" ending life on the planet, such as cosmic rays, asteroids, civil war, malevolent tech, etc.

In short, people are too optimistic. As it stands, we have no evidence of aliens. The fact that the US Govt says they've encountered them means they haven't, because they lie about everything. Personally, I believe the US government is obsessing over them because they have too much waste and many govt offices do nothing but sit in offices and watch Youtube all day. It's also possible they're just doing it to distract the citizens from its deep economic and social problems, like a psyop. UFOs have many possible explainations besides "aliens", some of which are quite interesting.

It's likely either that life is extremely rare, or extremely common, and it's probably not the latter since we've seen zero signs of it. It wouldn't even be hard to detect - we could detect planets with "biosignatures" such as oxygen rich atmospheres, and we've yet to do so, and sure, some aliens might be so exotic we wouldn't even be able to recognize them as sentient life, but that's highly speculative, albeit interesting. People argue we've hardly looked for very long or haven't looked very far, true, but we're in the part of the galaxy that is most likely for life to occur (the core is too dangerous) and we've seen NOTHING whatsoever in decades now. Will people still make this argument in 100 years?

The most realistic estimate that I heard is that there is one civilization per galaxy, which seems possible, but it's also very possible we're the first intelligent life in the Universe. People hate this idea though because they hate themselves and project it onto humanity as a whole which prevents them from letting themselves admit they may be special, and insist that's arrogant. The mediocrity principle also comes into play. In short there is a lot of emotional arguments people make for why they believe in aliens, and they're pretty flawed.

Oh one last point. People will say the Universe is may be infinite. If that's true, it doesn't matter. The fact that the Universe is expanding faster than light means we will never be able to reach anything outside of what we can currently see (ie the Observable Universe), because everything is moving away from us faster than light speed. So if the Universe is indeed infinite, we're effectively alone, even if life is teeming in the infinite expanse outside of our observable Universe. Personally, if you believe we're the only life in the Universe it makes us truly feel important and special and there's nothing wrong with that. Assuming life must be everywhere devalues our existence. If we somehow knew life did not exist in the entire Universe, our perspectives would radically change for the better, and we might finally be able to value our lives enough to build a proper civilization.

Human beings have been looking for life out there for a very very long time and have spent billions of dollars doing this and have used special instruments and radios to try and receive some kind of communication and they HAVENT found anything out there and the more they look the more they realize that its actually very difficult for life to exist, the book "Show me God" explains this well.

Regarding aliens about 2-3 million Americans have claimed to have been abducted by aliens, it happened here on earth not out there in far away galaxies and its flooded the mental ward staff with all these cases that they had to listen too so its not just the US government who is talking about it, the citizens are too, I personally think these people did see something and experience something but its hard to say exactly what happened or how "real" these experiences were, sometimes there are cases where demons create illusions or through possession create phantasms, example, saint Augustine mentions in his 1700 year old book how certain men went to certain forests and found woman there and they gave the men some cheese to eat and they turned into mules and the woman used them to carry their loads then turned them back into men, satan and demons cant create matter they only distort and create illusions so as the saint explains they actually remained human men and were not turned into mules when this happened it was a phantasm but God can create and do these things and might sometimes allow it if He desires like king Nebukadnezer in the Bible who was turned into a kind of beast and feathers grew on his body and long claws and he crawled on all fours and ate grass in this state for 7 years then returned to normal.

 

[Batman]

Regarding aliens about 2-3 million Americans have claimed to have been abducted by aliens, it happened here on earth not out there in far away galaxies and its the mental ward staff so its not just the US government who is talking about it, the citizens are too, I personally think these people did see something and experience something but its hard to say exactly what happened or how "real" these experiences were, sometimes there are cases where demons create illusions or through possession create phantasms, example, saint Augustine mentions in his 1700 year old book how certain men went to certain forests and found woman there and they gave the men some cheese to eat and they turned into mules and the woman used them to carry their loads then turned them back into men, satan and demons cant create matter they only distort and create illusions so as the saint explains they actually remained human men and were not turned into mules when this happened it was a phantasm but God can create and do these things and might sometimes allow it if He desires like king Nebukadnezer in the Bible who was turned into a kind of beast and feathers grew on his body and long claws and he crawled on all fours and ate grass in this state for 7 years then returned to normal.

I'm not one to automatically dismiss anecdotes and personal experiences, or even supernatural/mystical experiences, but it's just not enough for me, at best it can only serve as the basis for the individuals beliefs, not others. Considering almost all of them occur in their homes, at night, it makes me suspect they're all forms of hypnagogic/hypnopompic hallucinations, or sleep paralysis, or other sleep-based altered states. I've had many strange experiences myself, hypnagogic hallucinations, sleep paralysis, night terrors, etc and they're absolutely wild, but do share similarities with others experiences, which tells these experiences are shaped by culture. Sleep paralysis for instance seems share similar commonalities among most people in the west. In the same way, psychedelic experiences also seem to be shaped by culture to some degree and have many similar themes/imagery. I think most people are incapable of framing any experience without a cultural narrative/ideology telling them how to interpret it, most people are incapable of critical/independant thought, especially if it's an utterly bewildering experience, the brain is desperate for a quick interpretation and draws upon cultural frameworks to make sense of it.

 

[Psiman]

If this doesn't convince you that aliens exist, nothing will.

Scientists unveil pair of 'mummified alien' corpses to Mexico Congress

Scientists in Mexico are pulling back the curtain on what some believe are aliens, and the remains of "non-human" beings were put on display.

abc7.com

Mind the word scientists in the article. Questioning the veracity of the presentation amounts to an attack on science.

 

[GoodShepherd]

I'm not one to automatically dismiss anecdotes and personal experiences, or even supernatural/mystical experiences, but it's just not enough for me, can only ever serve as evidence for the individual themselves, not others. Considering almost all of them occur in their homes, at night, it makes me suspect they're all forms of Hypnagogic and Hypnopompic hallucinations, or sleep paralaysis. I've had some of these before and they're pretty wild, and the subject matter seems completely tied to the culture, which is why sleep paralysis for instance seems to be very similar for most people in the west. In the same way, psychedelic experiences seem to be shaped by culture too to some degree.

I see it as a sign of the times and also the state of the society, unfortunayely the west has become pretty immoral and Godless and they are involved with not so good things so this might be why its happening, as a child while sleeping over at a friends house one night he was also ito aliens and had posters of aliens in his room where I was sleeping, that night around 3:00am I was woken up by about 20-30 littlw foot steps walking around me and whatever these beings were they were pulling my sheets and lifting them up, I was just a boy I was too afraid to look and had to hold onto the sheets and pull them, this went on for quite a few minutes, I was even to afraid to speak but I called on the name of Jesus in my head and prayed, eventually it ended and I never slept I stayed up until morning, looking back I think that was demons doing that too me

 

[Batman]

If this doesn't convince you that aliens exist, nothing will.

Scientists unveil pair of 'mummified alien' corpses to Mexico Congress

Scientists in Mexico are pulling back the curtain on what some believe are aliens, and the remains of "non-human" beings were put on display.

abc7.com

Mind the word scientists in the article. Questioning the veracity of the presentation amounts to an attack on science.

One of the only things that would convince me of aliens is if a massive mothership parked itself near Earth or straight up landed in front of the white house. Or, we acquire ridiculously advanced piece of technology that is undeniably alien and still FUNCTIONS. It makes me wonder, all these people who were abucted, how come none of them came back with any tech? Surely they could try to grab the equivalent of an alien "pen" or SOMETHING lying around to bring back as proof? Hell, even if it wasn't functional, but made if a new material not known in the periodic table, or breaking the laws of chemistry/physics in it's mere construction would be enough. There isn't even tech leftover from abductees "medical experiments". Not one thing from the millions of cases, hmmm. Another thing that would make me believe in aliens is if we found evidence not on Earth, but somewhere else. A biosignature on another planet, or a dyson sphere, for instance, would actually be more convincing to me than weird phenomenon on Earth, which we cannot rule out as other lifeforms originating from Earth.

Anyway, while that is certainly interesting, it doesn't actually prove they're alien (even if all the claims were true, including DNA testing). I really do think these phenomena (alien bodies, UFOs) could be seperate life that arose independently, possibly even as a seperate abiogenesis event, from the rest of life on Earth, and reached an advanced age before us. I mean, how is this alleged lifeform they discovered any different from discovering a new species? And doesn't it seem weird that all aliens have forms that seem appropriate for the conditions on Earth? Why aren't there any aliens found that look like cephalopods, or collections of sentient gas/radiation, or massive entities that make blue whales look like minnows, or some other bizarre form inconceivable to the human imagination? We have other species on Earth that look more alien than actual aliens.

Last thing - What about the tech of the UFO? Why have we never acquired ANY alien tech that still functions? Why have we never found any UFOs that are constructed in a way that defies scientific understanding? Why haven't we reverse-engineered any of their tech?

I'm not sitting here and saying it's all nonsense, I just don't have enough information to have a strong opinion yet, but so far many of these claims seem almost insulting in their lack of imagination or originality. I think, if aliens were around, they'd be so advanced that we'd have no idea they were around, or they would purposely reveal themselves, and their reveal would be indeniably alien beyond a shadow of a doubt - the film Arrival and Annihilation have a depiction of interstellar, intelligent alien life that seems more in line with how they could actually look and behave, and I'd highly recommend them.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, if there's one thing this applies to it's alien life, why assume aliens when the simpler interpretation may be that there are intelligent lifeforms from Earth we've yet to discover? This same belief (essentially, Occam's Razer) also makes me open to the possibility of bigfoot and other mythical creatures, or even demonic/psychic beings, is that really such a wild idea? I don't think so. There's much about this planet we still don't know, and we can't rule out supernatural forces beyond our current understanding, it's just a big leap to automatically assume aliens when there are many other possibilities.

 

[GoodShepherd]

One of the only things that would convince me of aliens is if a massive mothership parked itself near Earth or straight up landed in front of the white house. Or, some ridiculously advanced piece of technology that is undeniably alien and still FUNCTIONS. It makes me wonder, all these people who were abucted, how come none of them came back with any tech? Surely they could try to grab the equivalent of an alien "pen" or SOMETHING lying around to bring back as proof? Hell, even if it wasn't functional, but made if a new material not known in the periodic table, or breaking the laws of chemistry/physics in it's mere construction would be enough. There isn't even any tech leftover from abductees "medical experiments". Not one thing from the millions of cases, hmmm.

Anyway, while that is certainly interesting, it doesn't actually prove they're alien (even if all the claims were true, including DNA testing). I think one possible explaination for that, and UFOs in general, is that life that arose independently, possibly even as a seperate abiogenesis event, from the rest of life on Earth, and reached an advanced age before us. I mean, how is this alleged lifeform they discovered any different from discovering a new species? And doesn't it seem weird that all aliens have forms that seem appropriate for the conditions on Earth? Why aren't there any aliens found that look like octopi or collections of gas/radiation, or giant monoliths, or some other bizarre form inconceivable to the human mind? We have other species on Earth that look more alien than actual aliens.

Last thing - What about the tech of the UFO? Why have we never acquired ANY alien tech that still functions? Why have we never found any UFOs that are constructed in a way that defies scientific understanding?

I'm not sitting here and saying it's all nonsense, I just don't have enough information to have a strong opinion yet, but so far many of these claims seems almost insulting in their lack of imagination or originality. I think, if aliens were around, they'd either be capable of never getting detected, or would purposely reveal themselves, and their reveal would be indeniably alien - the film Arrival and Annihilation have a depiction of intelligent alien life that seems more in line with how they might actually look and behave, and I'd highly recommend them.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, if there's one thing this applies to it's alien life, why assume aliens when the simpler interpretation may be that there are intelligent lifeforms from Earth we've yet to discover?

I think the reason why nobody has any alien tech or something that doesnt exist on the periodic table is because like I said, demons cant create matter or anything new so its not a suprise to me.

I have heard of operations, scars etc but I have also heard of sperm being taken from people who were "abducted" and some were impregnated too, I remember the one guy said he had the most amazing sexual experience with the most beautiful girl he had ever seen, apparently the people who were "abducted" we all not Christians but the Christians who did have these experienced were not taken but invited so they had the option of saying yes or no, concent. If you look into the old witchcraft stuff you will also find that demons took sperm from people or impregnated someone, its called incubi sucubi look it up, but seems like its not the demons sperm but they took sperm and somehow impregnated someone with that sperm.

Regarding UFO sightings many people have seen "UFO" stuff in broad daylight in very populated places where thousands all saw it at the same time like you said, a big mothership over the highway, these "ships" appear then dematerialize and disappear, some where apparently in view for quite a few minute, people took photos and videos

 

[GoodShepherd]

If this doesn't convince you that aliens exist, nothing will.

Scientists unveil pair of 'mummified alien' corpses to Mexico Congress

Scientists in Mexico are pulling back the curtain on what some believe are aliens, and the remains of "non-human" beings were put on display.

abc7.com

Mind the word scientists in the article. Questioning the veracity of the presentation amounts to an attack on science.

I remember when this happened, a lot of people were saying this a fabricated, I tend to agree with them on this particular story, I think they wanted to get some feedback on what society would say about the existance of an extraterrestrial being