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I am also convinced that many of the elites are Gnostics
Absolutely. It's one of the explanations why they may be ignoring the whole (obvious) part of their getting what they desire, including worldly power, in exchange for being on the side of evil. I think the deception is that they believe that they are special and thus also can get this special knowledge of things (including technology). What's even more interesting is that they totally involved in religious and "spiritual" living! It's just a spirit of evil and chaos.

Even with the evil one, I always found it absurd that he fights against God, fighting against truth and knowing he's a loser that's going to the dustbin/Lake of Fire, and there is no doubt about it. As you pointed out, some of the demons who had possessed people during Christ's time ask him "Have you come to torment us before the time?" That's actually in the Orthodox lectionary but I don't think even 1 out of 100 people really know what it really means when they hear it.
From the perspective of those cultures, they were good, heroes.
Yes, "gods of the nations"
There were/are many different gnostic sects which held different albeit often related beliefs. In general a commonality is they teach that 'reality' as we experience it is an evil, illusory deception and must be escaped from to experience 'true' reality. And that this can only be achieved through accessing secret, hidden teachings.
Yes, as GodFather says it's a Platonic thing that they took and then added a bit more "spice" to. Melange, if you will.
Literally anything ANYTHING else other than God and Christ is given serious consideration by him.
I think these people are generally trapped in a materialist mindset, which is also scientific reductionism (we're just molecules banging on one another and electrical impulses in our brain and CNS). I tried to "prove" the whole point of existence is clearly detectable even by our rational minds (hinting that the conclusions are clear in the same way that something doesn't come from nothing), but my best guess is that people who didn't grow up with proper formation, as in most things, tend to have major difficulty grasping metaphysical things because there is no trust there, or they feel they can't depend on things (parental influence wasn't there) for that type of awareness. Not all of these types are stubborn people by the way, they just lack something I'm guessing in their upbringing, perhaps in their genes, or in their nous to accept the Spirit.
 
We have had long conversations about it but no matter what I say, he rejects God. He's also in a DINK marriage. Quite a based guy but unfortunately rejects Christ and is obsessed with pretty much ANY other theory including the idea that the world is all a simulation, that aliens are controlling everything, that energy is being harvested from Premier League football crowds to generate some sort of robot world. Literally anything ANYTHING else other than God and Christ is given serious consideration by him.
Something that I mentioned in another thread is that a lot of these people would also consider themselves to be super scientific empiricist types yet they'll take seriously theories like the multi-verse or a lot of these more esoteric and out there theories that physicists like to bring up as speculative theories/intelligent guesses despite the fact that a lot of these theories aren't supported by empirical observation and are instead more like mind experiments supported by math and mental abstractions - kind of like metaphysics which these "i fricking love science" types would dismiss as hocus pocus.

Even more telling sometimes is that they'll abandon the whole pretense of being rationalistic and believing in an orderly universe and just say they ultimately think that it's ultimately chance and pure force that generated everything in the universe and ultimately things just pop in and out of existence without reason while still maintaining that they are scientific minded people. They would rather do this then give any credence that the universe has an order that was created and continuously maintained by God.
 
Even more telling sometimes is that they'll abandon the whole pretense of being rationalistic and believing in an orderly universe and just say they ultimately think that it's ultimately chance and pure force that generated everything in the universe and ultimately things just pop in and out of existence without reason while still maintaining that they are scientific minded people. They would rather do this then give any credence that the universe has an order that was created and continuously maintained by God.
Yes, they do this obvious self pwn by not admitting that the whole point of pursuing "science" is that there is an assumption that the whole thing is fundamentally ordered = there is truth to it, structure. If you didn't "believe" this you wouldn't bother, it would be all total randomness, but it isn't and therefore it's clearly much closer to meaningful than absurd.
 
Micah 1

2 Hear, O peoples, all of you; Give heed, O earth, as well as its fullness, And let Lord Yahweh be a witness against you, The Lord from His holy temple.
Micah was a contemporary of Hosea, but whereas Hosea was primarily prophesying God's Word to the northern kingdom of Israel, Micah's prophecy concerns both Israel and the southern kingdom of Judah.

When we hear the word 'earth', we tend to interpret it according to our context. It's too easy to assume it means "the whole world, the globe." And while it can mean that, it can also mean "the land", and I believe that it does mean that more often than not.

When we interpret it as the whole world, and then we read the passages concerning judgment, it sounds too cataclysmic, which leads us to pushing the fulfillment of the prophecy way off into the future, since obviously God hasn't judged the whole world in this cataclysmic way yet. Yet, when we take it to mean the land, then we understand that the prophecy concerns a very real and tangible judgment that actually happened. This judgment would be the same as in Hosea, the invasion of the Assyrians. The Assyrians would successfully conquer Israel and Samaria and scatter 10 of the tribes, but they would ultimately be foiled by God's angel when they tried to conquer Judah and Jerusalem.

9 For her wound is incurable, For it has come to Judah; It has reached the gate of my people, Even to Jerusalem.
The northern kingdom of Israel was especially idolatrous, which is why they received a stricter judgment. God gave them over to the Assyrians and they were scattered, but they were not wiped out completely for God's own compassion. That idolatry of the Samaritans had begun to extend down to Judah, they began influencing Judah with their idolatry.
 
Micah 1


Micah was a contemporary of Hosea, but whereas Hosea was primarily prophesying God's Word to the northern kingdom of Israel, Micah's prophecy concerns both Israel and the southern kingdom of Judah.

When we hear the word 'earth', we tend to interpret it according to our context. It's too easy to assume it means "the whole world, the globe." And while it can mean that, it can also mean "the land", and I believe that it does mean that more often than not.

When we interpret it as the whole world, and then we read the passages concerning judgment, it sounds too cataclysmic, which leads us to pushing the fulfillment of the prophecy way off into the future, since obviously God hasn't judged the whole world in this cataclysmic way yet. Yet, when we take it to mean the land, then we understand that the prophecy concerns a very real and tangible judgment that actually happened. This judgment would be the same as in Hosea, the invasion of the Assyrians. The Assyrians would successfully conquer Israel and Samaria and scatter 10 of the tribes, but they would ultimately be foiled by God's angel when they tried to conquer Judah and Jerusalem.


The northern kingdom of Israel was especially idolatrous, which is why they received a stricter judgment. God gave them over to the Assyrians and they were scattered, but they were not wiped out completely for God's own compassion. That idolatry of the Samaritans had begun to extend down to Judah, they began influencing Judah with their idolatry.

What's with this obsession with the Assyrian invasion in The Bible? It's talked about a lot.

Also I'm trying to understand the timeline, I guess the invasion had happened so the people later writing The Bible were organising events and 'predicting' it as a key event and then writing about it?

Sometimes when I'm cynical I think people were taking the puzzle pieces of history and organising it to make sense of it into the Bible.

That's why in the NT they keep saying ...'and THIS proves Isaiah was true' with some usually indirect example.

I'm trying to be less cynical and embrace the Lord. I have indeed lived the life of a horrible sinner and my cynical nature may well be satan working within me sowing the seeds of doubt. I used to think this was discernment and intelligence. But my liberalism, where has it left me?
Matthew 7: 16'by their fruits you will know them'

It has given me pride. But my prideful arrogance has left me spiritually and morally bankrupt.

Micah 1-
Was confused by this:
All this is because of Jacob’s transgression,
because of the sins of the people of Israel.
What is Jacob’s transgression?
Is it not Samaria?
What is Judah’s high place?
Is it not Jerusalem?

'Jacob' here is referring to Israel

And basically that 'Israel' and 'Judah' have fallen to idolatory.

'Since she gathered her gifts from the wages of prostitutes,
as the wages of prostitutes they will again be used.”

I was a little confused by the above line but again I was taking it too literally. It's not necessarily literal prostitution but more general vice and idolatory.

When I first read the lines 'as the wages of prostitutes they will again be used' I didn't get it because I thought maybe wages of prostitutes could be used for good things. I mean money earnt from corruption could be used for something positive. But in this context it basically means God's judgment for their sins. However, I don't mentally make that connection easily.


''Shave your head in mourning for the children in whom you delight;make yourself as bald as the vulture, for they will go from you into exile.''

A little confusing cos apparently the Assyrians have ALREADY invaded and Samarians are already exiled. The Babylonian conquest to come will exile the people of Judah.

If I'm brutally honest, I find the geography pretty confusing. To break it down a bit - Israel (capital Samaria) is the Northen part conquered by Assyrians.

Judah (capital Jerusalem) is the Southen part later conquered by Babylonians.
 
What's with this obsession with the Assyrian invasion in The Bible? It's talked about a lot.
It just happens to be where we're at in timeline. If you read the Bible from cover to cover, you'll have a much stronger sense of the timeline and chronology of it all.

Sometimes when I'm cynical I think people were taking the puzzle pieces of history and organising it to make sense of it into the Bible.
There is some of this but it doesn't detract from the truthfulness of the Bible. For example, Moses writes Genesis looking backwards, making sense or the pre-Hebrew history. The Apostles wrote the Gospels looking back to Jesus' earthly ministry. In the case of the Prophets, they are writing contemporously or before the events they're prophesying about. In all cases, the Holy Spirit was the one inspiring them.

That's why in the NT they keep saying ...'and THIS proves Isaiah was true' with some usually indirect example.
I find the NT citations of the OT to be some of the richest and most spiritually insightful parts of the Bible. Whenever the NT interprets a section of the OT, you are being given the definitive interpretation of that passage. It's like a hack or a cheat code. They can sound indirect but if you take the time to read them side by side you will be blown away by what's really being communicated.

I'm trying to be less cynical and embrace the Lord. I have indeed lived the life of a horrible sinner and my cynical nature may well be satan working within me sowing the seeds of doubt. I used to think this was discernment and intelligence. But my liberalism, where has it left me?
Matthew 7: 16'by their fruits you will know them'

It has given me pride. But my prideful arrogance has left me spiritually and morally bankrupt.
I find that impatience can take the form of doubt. Trust the process. You don't have to read the whole thing overnight and you don't have to grasp it perfectly when you read it. We're all always learning.

'Jacob' here is referring to Israel
Correct. The names are interchangeable for both the patriarch and the nation.

I mean money earnt from corruption could be used for something positive. But in this context it basically means God's judgment for their sins. However, I don't mentally make that connection easily.
Good. There is literal prostitution and figurative prostitution (idolatry). In the original context, there is not much of a distinction between the literal and figurative meanings since the prostitutes were cult prostitutes.

What Bible translation are you using?
 
I've been a little confused in the past over the timeline for the Prophets. First you have the history books, Judges to Esther, and then you have the Prophets, which are scattered through the time period already covered in the histories. Also, a number of the prophets overlap in their time period.

I found these timelines that help make it clearer for me. You can see in the second chart that Micah is one of the earlier prophets, even though this book is near the end of the Old Testament.

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Micah 2

1 Woe to those who devise wickedness, Who work out evil on their beds! When the light of the morning comes, they do it, For it is in the power of their hands. 2 And they covet fields and then tear them away, And houses, and take them away. And they oppress a man and his house, A man and his inheritance.
The land in Micah's time had become a place of brigandry, thuggishness, and crime. The image of a criminal devising an evil scheme as he lays down to sleep then waking up and carrying it out in the morning is pretty apt. See how God's indictment of them is rooted in the Law. What do the criminals do? They covet. The very thing God's Law says not to do. The same spirit of coveting is powerful in these times. Even the "legitimate" side of our societies are characterized by a covetous spirit.

7 Is it being said, O house of Jacob: ‘Is the Spirit of Yahweh impatient? Are these His deeds?’ Do not My words do good To the one walking uprightly?
As usual, the blame is put on God. This is the nature of fallen man. Put the blame on mame. No responsibility, no accountability. I hear it said that women can never admit when they're wrong, but I've never met a man who can admit he is a sinner either. The only people I know who know they're sinners are those who hear the Word of God and follow after the Spirit, that's it.

12 “I will surely assemble all of you, Jacob; I will surely gather the remnant of Israel. I will put them together like sheep in the fold; Like a flock in the midst of its pasture They will be noisy with men. 13 The breaker goes up before them; They break out, pass through the gate, and go out by it. So their king goes on before them, And Yahweh at their head.”
Since God is holy and just, it is right that He should punish us sinners. But He is also merciful and gracious, He can restore us and save us too. See how God is the shepherd, the pastor of His sheep. The shepherd and the king are disparate concepts, but biblically they come together. Just as shepherds have their staffs and sheep, so do kings have their scepters and subjects.

Micah 3

The sun will go down on the prophets, And the day will grow black over them. 7 The seers will be ashamed, And the diviners will be humiliated. Indeed, they will all cover their mouths Because there is no answer from God. 8 On the other hand I am filled with power— With the Spirit of Yahweh— And with justice and might To declare to Jacob his transgression, Even to Israel his sin.
And her priests instruct for a price, And her prophets divine for money. Yet they lean on Yahweh saying, “Is not Yahweh in our midst? Evil will not come upon us.
The false prophets made a good living off telling the people what they wanted to hear all while pretending to speak for God, and the people never wanted to hear of judgment, only prosperity. Contrary to them, Micah, the true prophet, does have the Spirit of God and charges Israel for their crimes.
 
Micah 2


The land in Micah's time had become a place of brigandry, thuggishness, and crime. The image of a criminal devising an evil scheme as he lays down to sleep then waking up and carrying it out in the morning is pretty apt. See how God's indictment of them is rooted in the Law. What do the criminals do? They covet. The very thing God's Law says not to do. The same spirit of coveting is powerful in these times. Even the "legitimate" side of our societies are characterized by a covetous spirit.


As usual, the blame is put on God. This is the nature of fallen man. Put the blame on mame. No responsibility, no accountability. I hear it said that women can never admit when they're wrong, but I've never met a man who can admit he is a sinner either. The only people I know who know they're sinners are those who hear the Word of God and follow after the Spirit, that's it.


Since God is holy and just, it is right that He should punish us sinners. But He is also merciful and gracious, He can restore us and save us too. See how God is the shepherd, the pastor of His sheep. The shepherd and the king are disparate concepts, but biblically they come together. Just as shepherds have their staffs and sheep, so do kings have their scepters and subjects.

Micah 3



The false prophets made a good living off telling the people what they wanted to hear all while pretending to speak for God, and the people never wanted to hear of judgment, only prosperity. Contrary to them, Micah, the true prophet, does have the Spirit of God and charges Israel for their crimes.

You say coveting is a problem. Does modern life not require us to covet to an extent? We are currently living in a time of everything to get their own. How can we be less covetous?

I sometimes wonder how God's punishments work in practice. Many sinners don't seem punished and many good people are. Perhaps making sinners terminally dissatisfied is their own punishment. We saw this a lot in the red pill space. The PUA coaches got success with women but clearly they were not satisfied as they continually additionally needed their clout and reputation among their peers as 'proof' of their success and status. This was in fact the undoing of Tom Torero, who got in trouble for sharing inappropriate content.

The psychotherapy movement encourages the mindset that 'nothing is good or bad only thinking makes it so' meaning that there is no absolute morality. Such a mindset can still bring people back to God if they accept that God loves us despite our flaws and mistakes. But mostly it leads to a restless symptom management as people attempt to manage their vast chasms of spiritual emptiness with practices like meditation, pharmaceutical products and enormous amounts of time spent in the gym. Changing the chemistry of the brain or temporarily going into a trance like states where consciousness is removed is seen as the solution to a life without God and Christ. Numbness to the truth and avoidance of it is the new religion. But just because you erect a banner in front of the true prophet does not mean he is not there.
 
Micah 2:

This part cracked me up:

"
If a liar and deceiver comes and says,
‘I will prophesy for you plenty of wine and beer,’
that would be just the prophet for this people!'

Is this God in stand up comedian mode?

And the irony is there have been prophets of this kind in a sense when I think of the romantic individualism of Hemingway, Bukowski - the tortured drunk archetypes.

Deliverance promised:

I have read quite a lot of the Bible recently and I'm not here to critique it but it is a little excessive the repeated accounts of smashing up some horrible place and bringing some amazing new place. I feel I must have read variations on this theme hundreds of times at this point. I almost wonder how many times it needs to be said.

Micah 3 - feels pretty similar to Micah 2 so nothing of note to mention here form my admittedly low consciousness reading of it.
 
You say coveting is a problem. Does modern life not require us to covet to an extent? We are currently living in a time of everything to get their own. How can we be less covetous?
There is an innocent wanting. The problem is that people turn to sinful ways in order to get the things they want. Or they want things that are sinful in themselves. Rather than being covetous, we should be content. We have a lot to be thankful for. But we cannot simply brute force our will into being content. We need to trust in God to meet our needs, and that He already has met our needs. Then you won't need to covet for anything. What you have is more than enough.

I sometimes wonder how God's punishments work in practice. Many sinners don't seem punished and many good people are. Perhaps making sinners terminally dissatisfied is their own punishment. We saw this a lot in the red pill space. The PUA coaches got success with women but clearly they were not satisfied as they continually additionally needed their clout and reputation among their peers as 'proof' of their success and status. This was in fact the undoing of Tom Torero, who got in trouble for sharing inappropriate content.
These are good examples of why we should embrace the godly character of contentment. For people who always want more, more is never enough. It's like the movie, the world is not enough. What good is it to have much but not have the capacity to enjoy it?

The psychotherapy movement encourages the mindset that 'nothing is good or bad only thinking makes it so' meaning that there is no absolute morality. Such a mindset can still bring people back to God if they accept that God loves us despite our flaws and mistakes. But mostly it leads to a restless symptom management as people attempt to manage their vast chasms of spiritual emptiness with practices like meditation, pharmaceutical products and enormous amounts of time spent in the gym. Changing the chemistry of the brain or temporarily going into a trance like states where consciousness is removed is seen as the solution to a life without God and Christ. Numbness to the truth and avoidance of it is the new religion. But just because you erect a banner in front of the true prophet does not mean he is not there.
These are all vanities. The reason people seek happiness in things is because they cannot be content with themselves. People cannot be content with themselves because God did not make us that way. We were made to find our contentment and sufficiency in the God in whom we live and move and have our being.
 
Micah 2


The land in Micah's time had become a place of brigandry, thuggishness, and crime. The image of a criminal devising an evil scheme as he lays down to sleep then waking up and carrying it out in the morning is pretty apt. See how God's indictment of them is rooted in the Law. What do the criminals do? They covet. The very thing God's Law says not to do. The same spirit of coveting is powerful in these times. Even the "legitimate" side of our societies are characterized by a covetous spirit.


As usual, the blame is put on God. This is the nature of fallen man. Put the blame on mame. No responsibility, no accountability. I hear it said that women can never admit when they're wrong, but I've never met a man who can admit he is a sinner either. The only people I know who know they're sinners are those who hear the Word of God and follow after the Spirit, that's it.


Since God is holy and just, it is right that He should punish us sinners. But He is also merciful and gracious, He can restore us and save us too. See how God is the shepherd, the pastor of His sheep. The shepherd and the king are disparate concepts, but biblically they come together. Just as shepherds have their staffs and sheep, so do kings have their scepters and subjects.

Micah 3



The false prophets made a good living off telling the people what they wanted to hear all while pretending to speak for God, and the people never wanted to hear of judgment, only prosperity. Contrary to them, Micah, the true prophet, does have the Spirit of God and charges Israel for their crimes.
I’ve met dozens and dozens of men who have humbled themselves and have admitted that they are wretched sinners.
 
Micah 4

1 Now it will be that in the last days The mountain of the house of Yahweh Will be established as the head of the mountains, And will be lifted up above the hills, And the peoples will stream to it.
Micah is looking forward to the last days, the days of the Messiah. The nations (goyim) will come to Zion and learn of God's Law. The Jews may insist on a hyper-literalistic reading of this, but this is already fulfilled in Christ. You have come to the heavenly mount Zion, says the book of Hebrews. In Christ, you have come to know God as your God, and you have learned His ways, both the righteousness of His Law and the forgiveness of His Grace.

10 Writhe and labor to give birth, Daughter of Zion, Like a woman in childbirth; For now you will go out of the city, Dwell in the field, And go to Babylon. There you will be delivered; There Yahweh will redeem you From the hand of your enemies.
Micah sees the judgment for Judah. Unlike Israel, Judah will not be scattered by the Assyrians but they will eventually be taken into Babylonian captivity. And while it was a harsh judgment, it was a sanctifying judgment for them. God did not give them up to Babylon forever, but He did it for a time so that they would again learn to trust in the Lord.

Micah 5

2 But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from everlasting, From the ancient days.”
Here is the most famous passage in Micah, concerning the Messiah. Like his father David, Christ was destined to be born in Bethlehem, and it came to pass just as the Scriptures foresaw. To Israel's shame, the Scriptures had become an empty word to them and they did not even know this when Christ was born. This passage references the eternality of Christ. He was not just a man who was to be born and die, despite what the modern Jews and other heretics believe, but He is very God. His goings forth are from everlasting; as Jesus says in John 8, "Before Abraham became, I Am."
 
Micah 4


Micah is looking forward to the last days, the days of the Messiah. The nations (goyim) will come to Zion and learn of God's Law. The Jews may insist on a hyper-literalistic reading of this, but this is already fulfilled in Christ. You have come to the heavenly mount Zion, says the book of Hebrews. In Christ, you have come to know God as your God, and you have learned His ways, both the righteousness of His Law and the forgiveness of His Grace.


Micah sees the judgment for Judah. Unlike Israel, Judah will not be scattered by the Assyrians but they will eventually be taken into Babylonian captivity. And while it was a harsh judgment, it was a sanctifying judgment for them. God did not give them up to Babylon forever, but He did it for a time so that they would again learn to trust in the Lord.

Micah 5


Here is the most famous passage in Micah, concerning the Messiah. Like his father David, Christ was destined to be born in Bethlehem, and it came to pass just as the Scriptures foresaw. To Israel's shame, the Scriptures had become an empty word to them and they did not even know this when Christ was born. This passage references the eternality of Christ. He was not just a man who was to be born and die, despite what the modern Jews and other heretics believe, but He is very God. His goings forth are from everlasting; as Jesus says in John 8, "Before Abraham became, I Am."
Thank you again for your thoughtful reflection.

When you say in Micah 4 that the nations will come to Zion, is this Jerusalem?

When taken into Babylonian captivity, does it become similar to what happened under the Pharoah in Egypt?

It's interesting the repetition in the Bible. The Bible going against God again and again and again and needing to be punished and then saved.
Sometimes the apocalyptic imagery is kind of disturbing when it talks about God destroying/dismantling everything for a fresh start.

You say in Micah 5 that Jesus IS God. Why do I have difficulty with this? Because I see very little correlation between the way Jesus talks and the way God communicates. Jesus appears far more forgiving. But maybe God created Jesus to help manage sin - not to make God sound like a HR manager of his business of controlling earth.
 
Micah 4

Prophesizing the Bablyonian conquest.

However all is not lost:

'You will go to Babylon; there you will be rescued.There the Lord will redeem you out of the hand of your enemies.'

As happens previously, God is going to allow this to happen but will also save them again. This eventually did actually become fulfilled as under the Cyrus of Persia the exiled were allowed to return.

My question here is about authorship. Did Micah write this before it happened? Or did later compilers edit the text to make it align more closely with history?
 
When you say in Micah 4 that the nations will come to Zion, is this Jerusalem?
Yes. It can refer to the city or the mountain that the city is built on. While it is a literal place, the NT uses it in a figurative way in some key places. In Galatians 4, Paul makes a clear distinction between the literal Jerusalem and the figurative Jerusalem. In Hebrews 12, Zion refers to the figurative or heavenly Jerusalem. Don't interpret "the nations" so much as governments, but the non-Jewish peoples coming to Christ to learn from God (something we are doing right now).

When taken into Babylonian captivity, does it become similar to what happened under the Pharoah in Egypt?
It is very similar. There are key differences but there are also key similarities.

It's interesting the repetition in the Bible. The Bible going against God again and again and again and needing to be punished and then saved.
We tend to think of time in linear or sequential terms, A to Z, but the Bible also has a cyclical view of time. You see similar events play out over and over again. This is especially prevalent in Genesis. In fact, whenever people sin, they are simply repeating what their father Adam did before them. When Jesus saves His people, He is doing a repeat of the Exodus story.

Sometimes the apocalyptic imagery is kind of disturbing when it talks about God destroying/dismantling everything for a fresh start.
The Bible contains some of the scariest things I've ever read. "I never knew you." "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

You say in Micah 5 that Jesus IS God. Why do I have difficulty with this? Because I see very little correlation between the way Jesus talks and the way God communicates. Jesus appears far more forgiving.
When you read Revelation, you will see that Jesus is just as wrathful and vengeful as God is in the OT. When you read Exodus, you will see that God is just as forgiving and merciful as Jesus is in the NT.

But maybe God created Jesus to help manage sin - not to make God sound like a HR manager of his business of controlling earth.
The idea that God created Jesus is not Biblical. Refer back to the first chapter in John.

My question here is about authorship. Did Micah write this before it happened? Or did later compilers edit the text to make it align more closely with history?
Conservative or traditional Biblical scholarship says that yes, Micah prophesied about the Babylonian exile before it happened. The same goes for the prophet Jeremiah. Liberal scholarship tends to place the authorship after the events.
 
You say in Micah 5 that Jesus IS God. Why do I have difficulty with this? Because I see very little correlation between the way Jesus talks and the way God communicates. Jesus appears far more forgiving. But maybe God created Jesus to help manage sin - not to make God sound like a HR manager of his business of controlling earth.

It's very important to understand what Godfather said, that Jesus Christ the Son of God is co-eternal with the Father, He is uncreated, all things were made through Him, and he has the same Divine will as the Father.

Furthermore Christ Himself, the second person of the Trinity, makes many appearances in the Old Testament. He's not some guy that shows up as a new character in season 2 of scripture.

It is stated repeatedly in Scripture that no man has seen or can look upon the Father (John 1:18, Exodus 33:30). Yet God walks in the garden and speaks to Moses face to face as a friend. How is this reconciled? Because it was Christ who walked in the garden and spoke to Moses face-to-face.

The Angel of the Lord is also identified with Christ as He accepts worship which is due to God:

Exodus:
2 There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. 3 So Moses thought, “I will go over and see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up.”

4 When the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!”

And Moses said, “Here I am.”

5 “Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.” 6 Then he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob."

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Many other examples as well. Look into theophanies of the Old Testament, once you start understanding this you see Christ all over the OT which goes a long way to debunk Marcionism and such.
 
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