The Venezuela Thread

Controversial and unpopular opinion inbound:
The Financial Industrial complex directs the Military one.
Venezuela is a chaotic sh*thole because low IQ Venezuelans allowed it to be so.
Of course, but that doesn't have anything to do with other countries militarily moving in, necessarily.
These leftoid movements are often paid, led and/or handled by wealthy Jewish donors (Soros et al) themselves, as was glaringly obvious during the 2023-2024 US student protests.
Yes. It's interesting since the world powers are a mixed bag run of course by the top guy and his minions, but include the nations. Obviously, "jews" have been on much of the rebellious and monetary angles of political movements for a long time, but they are just notable headliners over time, not all the players.
We didn't have a problem doing it to the natives of this continent; we are stronger and better. Was true then, is true now.
It is curious that there is a modern day bias of "values" that we don't "believe in" anymore. And it's not like the 17th and 18th centuries weren't modern in human history, big picture. I'm not making a claim that any of this is right, but I have always argued that
 
Maduro is a racial Jew who adheres to communist ideology (rebranded Bolivarianism) and follows the spiritual teachings of a fringe Hindu guru. Maduro's quote of the day: 'Netanyahu is not a real Jew, I am a real Jew!'.

Hence in that sense Maduro's anti Zionist stance is in fully aligned with the Zionist critical movements on the European and American Left, all of which view Zionism as an extension of European colonialism/ White supremacy, and not as a malign offshoot of Talmudic-Halakhic teachings. Ergo Jewish Chosenness is not the problem, White people masquerading as Jews who have invaded Palestine are. This bears repetition because many of the subversive Dissident Right misinfo peddlers purposely leave this fact out in an attempt to somehow funnel good and righteous people towards their crap causes. These leftoid movements are often paid, led and/or handled by wealthy Jewish donors (Soros et al) themselves, as was glaringly obvious during the 2023-2024 US student protests.

Venezuela is the only country in this hemisphere that bans gay marriage, abortion and usury.

That doesn't sound very talmudic or "fringe hindu" to me, it is as Catholic as it gets.

As usual, you are whitewashing zionist talking points, the same reason you have attacked Tucker Carlson and shilled for the official version of the Charlie Kirk assassination. Your positions and advocacy are entirely aligned with the Israeli line.

Soros et al have played a skillful double game of funding pro-Palestine protests in the US in order to paint this issue as a right/left one and to keep the more gullible elements on the right in the zionist plantation. I will also note that you are very much aligned with Soros on Ukraine, him being a huge funder of the anti-Russian NGO galaxy in Ukraine and across EE, and you are fully on board in their war against Russia.

Back to the main subject, this whole campaign is more forever wars and doomed to failure. There is not going to be regime change, Maduro is popular enough, especially now that he is taking on the nationalist mantle against Gringo invaders, this is going to play well for him in LatAm. He might also have some Russian surprises up his sleeves in the form of stand-off weapons that can do some damage to the USN.

Excellent summary of the Venezuela situation by Mearsheimer:

 
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Haha this is nonsense.

Let's just be honest and say we want the geopolitical security of not having a hostile leader there and that we want the oil.

Americans aren't stupid and frankly we are ok with it if we are all honest about what's really going on.

I think the majority of Americans have bought into Venezuela being some kind of a narcotraffic denial police action and that Maduro is a narco kingpin.

Also, Maduro has offered his country's oil on a platter, exclusive JVs with American big oil, with of course the right revenue sharing scheme given that it's their oil. That's not good enough for the White House, they want someone who will sell out their own country for a mansion in Miami, a nice Cayman bank account and maybe even a Nobel Peace Prize...

It's a pretty old story, see Iran in 1953 and the overthrow of their democratically-elected president who wanted to nationalize their oil, aka Operation Ajax, led by Teddy Roosevelt's grandson Kermit.


This is not just unethical, it is also unrealistic. Maduro is not going to be overthrown, all that will happen is that the country will fall further into poverty, and millions of Venezuelans will emigrate.
 
I think the majority of Americans have bought into Venezuela being some kind of a narcotraffic denial police action and that Maduro is a narco kingpin.

Also, Maduro has offered his country's oil on a platter, exclusive JVs with American big oil, with of course the right revenue sharing scheme given that it's their oil. That's not good enough for the White House, they want someone who will sell out their own country for a mansion in Miami, a nice Cayman bank account and maybe even a Nobel Peace Prize...

It's a pretty old story, see Iran in 1953 and the overthrow of their democratically-elected president who wanted to nationalize their oil, aka Operation Ajax, led by Teddy Roosevelt's grandson Kermit.


This is not just unethical, it is also unrealistic. Maduro is not going to be overthrown, all that will happen is that the country will fall further into poverty, and millions of Venezuelans will emigrate.
Yep I'm aware and don't disagree with you from your summary of what Maduro offered.

Unfortunately that time has come and gone given the historical bad blood and him being the supported appointee of Chavez.

I'm not saying I drink the Kool Aid ... But I'm aware of the flavor of prepackaged sugar water being brought to the picnic.

I believe Chevron has historically been the biggest US operator in Venezuela for the record.

Between their acquisition of Hess and the interesting activities going on in Guyana with all SuperMajors... there's a lot of potential for regime change to secure our corporate and more importantly tell political energy interests.

I'm not sure I believe that there's no way he's overthrown. As you pointed out, for us....it was Tuesday.

 
Haha this is nonsense.

Let's just be honest and say we want the geopolitical security of not having a hostile leader there and that we want the oil.

Americans aren't stupid and frankly we are ok with it if we are all honest about what's really going on.
Because, if we are honest about the situation, and those flag draped coffins start to return, then there is going to be righteous anger at our government for starting the conflict and so many good young men being killed for a cause they simply do not agree with. So, they have to try to lie and get people to buy into it. It will be much tougher this go around with the internet and freedom of information getting into the hands of the people v. what they pulled off on 9/11. It is why strong-arming China into selling their US share of Tik-Tok was a top priority for the Trump admin.
 
^How does an oil tanker evade a destroyer??

Macgregor on Venezuela


Venezuela comments are around the 12 min mark.

He doesn't really say much earth shattering about how a coup and overthrow works ....but he highlights that Trump says he wants to talk to Maduro directly and basically get paid off to leave...

MacGregor is generally a good voice of reason...but I am not sure he's right.

For additional context on the Venezuela and their neighbors below in Guyana on Oil production offshore, and international companies concerns for stability:


 
^How does an oil tanker evade a destroyer??

As much as I would like to say "at night" and refuse to elaborate any further, I think they were just messing with that tanker - they could have easily boarded her if they wanted to.

Tanker Seahorse reaches Venezuela after US Navy standoff
The crude oil #tanker Seahorse has arrived in Venezuela after multiple attempts to enter were blocked by the USS Stockdale. The Comoros-flagged vessel, sanctioned by the UK and EU, was reportedly carrying naphtha to Puerto José.
#MarineTraffic data shows the vessel loitered in international waters from 14 to 22 November following repeated interceptions, before finally docking on 23 November. No formal blockade was declared by the US. Seahorse, currently laden, is listed under the Russian shadow fleet and sailing under the flag of Cameroon.
 
Because, if we are honest about the situation, and those flag draped coffins start to return, then there is going to be righteous anger at our government for starting the conflict and so many good young men being killed for a cause they simply do not agree with. So, they have to try to lie and get people to buy into it. It will be much tougher this go around with the internet and freedom of information getting into the hands of the people v. what they pulled off on 9/11. It is why strong-arming China into selling their US share of Tik-Tok was a top priority for the Trump admin.
IIMT unfortunately doesn't learn and still has problems comprehending the military prowess of the US military, which is unrivaled. Can leave the predictable and stale DEI/crumbling infrastructure takes at the door bytheway. After the Iran debacle the man should know better, unfortunately yet per usual he has reverted back to 'US WEAK' factory settings after a 1-2 months reboot session.

Quick throwback to the Iran episode, it just has to be said. Back then IIMT was practically one on one copying the rhetoric of destabilization/ demoralization agent Cucker Tarlson, claiming that US interference in and destruction of Iran's nuclear program would surely lead to thousands of dead US servicemembers in the Middle East and Iranian ICBMs on London to boot. 48 hours after these hallucinant remarks the US Airforce flew B2 bombers in from Arizona, destroyed Tehran's 40 year old nuclear program squeekly clean, left Iranian airspace before a single Iranian had understood what just happened, and subsequently made it clear to the Iranians that they would get a token reprisal at an abandoned al Udeid AB and that would be the end of it.

That's called flexing your muscle and that scene+ aftermath is educational in itself. Venezuela won't be much different. There aren't going to be many US casualties, the Venezuelans might get a lucky shot in from one of the few mobile Venezuelan AD systems that manage to survive the initial waves of cruise missile attacks but not much more. The US military is a multi-trillion dollar beast that gives faux tough guy dictators tremors even by simply assembling, that includes those in Moscow and Beijing hence the constant nuclear sabrerattling. Ergo the US taking on Venezuela is like a healthy 6ft tall 30 something man beating up a 85 year old grandma. It's not a fight, it's assault.

Even Maduro knows this, hence why he's suddenly changed tune and is now trying to negotiate his exit in the most beneficial way possible. A deal might be in the cards but is not a given. Man shouldn't ask too much though, he's got little leverage and his best bet is a flight to Moscow. Nicky M. needs to bring his Playstation though, then he can enjoy those late night FIFA 25 sessions with his gaming buddy to be Bashar.

If exit negotiations fail Maduro's options are 1. hoping Trump was just posturing or 2. sheltering in a bunker, taking the beatdown, sitting it out and hoping the FANB doesn't collapse or turn on him. Maduro's totally beholden to Trump's mood of the day, hardly a peep barring a few obligatory remarks from Maduro's 'allies' bytheway. He's on his own.

Realistically Maduro's only path to political survival is scenario 2, aka sitting out the beating in one piece. Can't see Trump backing off after this much noise, would expose the US as a loudmouth paper tiger. The US is not going to send in ground forces barring a few SF teams which might very well already be on the ground. US society is developed and casualty averse, this is in opposition to shitholes like Russia where people simply shrug and stare with glazy eyes at a 300k KIA number. Maduro's best bet is trying to outlast Trump's grumpy mood swings Ansarallah/Houthi style, if DC feels that the window of opportunity on regime change is closing, and that its sustained weeks/months long bombing campaign is decreasing in return of investment they might pull the plug, leave Maduro in the ruins, impose an embargo and perform the occasional drone strike from thereon.
 
IIMT unfortunately doesn't learn and still has problems comprehending the military prowess of the US military, which is unrivaled. Can leave the predictable and stale DEI/crumbling infrastructure takes at the door bytheway. After the Iran debacle the man should know better, unfortunately yet per usual he has reverted back to 'US WEAK' factory settings after a 1-2 months reboot session.

Quick throwback to the Iran episode, it just has to be said. Back then IIMT was practically one on one copying the rhetoric of destabilization/ demoralization agent Cucker Tarlson, claiming that US interference in and destruction of Iran's nuclear program would surely lead to thousands of dead US servicemembers in the Middle East and Iranian ICBMs on London to boot. 48 hours after these hallucinant remarks the US Airforce flew B2 bombers in from Arizona, destroyed Tehran's 40 year old nuclear program squeekly clean, left Iranian airspace before a single Iranian had understood what just happened, and subsequently made it clear to the Iranians that they would get a token reprisal at an abandoned al Udeid AB and that would be the end of it.

That's called flexing your muscle and that scene+ aftermath is educational in itself. Venezuela won't be much different. There aren't going to be many US casualties, the Venezuelans might get a lucky shot in from one of the few mobile Venezuelan AD systems that manage to survive the initial waves of cruise missile attacks but not much more. The US military is a multi-trillion dollar beast that gives faux tough guy dictators tremors even by simply assembling, that includes those in Moscow and Beijing hence the constant nuclear sabrerattling. Ergo the US taking on Venezuela is like a healthy 6ft tall 30 something man beating up a 85 year old grandma. It's not a fight, it's assault.

Even Maduro knows this, hence why he's suddenly changed tune and is now trying to negotiate his exit in the most beneficial way possible. A deal might be in the cards but is not a given. Man shouldn't ask too much though, he's got little leverage and his best bet is a flight to Moscow. Nicky M. needs to bring his Playstation though, then he can enjoy those late night FIFA 25 sessions with his gaming buddy to be Bashar.

If exit negotiations fail Maduro's options are 1. hoping Trump was just posturing or 2. sheltering in a bunker, taking the beatdown, sitting it out and hoping the FANB doesn't collapse or turn on him. Maduro's totally beholden to Trump's mood of the day, hardly a peep barring a few obligatory remarks from Maduro's 'allies' bytheway. He's on his own.

Realistically Maduro's only path to political survival is scenario 2, aka sitting out the beating in one piece. Can't see Trump backing off after this much noise, would expose the US as a loudmouth paper tiger. The US is not going to send in ground forces barring a few SF teams which might very well already be on the ground. US society is developed and casualty averse, this is in opposition to shitholes like Russia where people simply shrug and stare with glazy eyes at a 300k KIA number. Maduro's best bet is trying to outlast Trump's grumpy mood swings Ansarallah/Houthi style, if DC feels that the window of opportunity on regime change is closing, and that its sustained weeks/months long bombing campaign is decreasing in return of investment they might pull the plug, leave Maduro in the ruins, impose an embargo and perform the occasional drone strike from thereon.
Again, I have no idea why you type this much up, probably no one reads it.

Our military strength is not the debate. The debate is, do we want to waste money we don't have, and have our young men killed, for another war demanded by Israel? The answer is a resounding "no" when it is asked of voters.

 
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