The Venezuela Thread

jayco said:
Which sums up the entire thread.
Venezuela got economic problems because of US sanctions and nothing else, continued British imperialism wrapped as a new fresh burrito. British+Israely imperialism to be more precise. US is an extension of British empire and given who had financed British wars it's been British-Israely for hundreds of years.
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Total cap and lousy attempt at red-washing Venezuela's current destroyed economy. This type of disinfo peddling is common with thirdworldists and communist sympathizers, their entire argument per usual revolves around offloading blame and guilt on the US/ the West from whatever angle possible even if the latter have absolutely nothing to with things.

A quick Google search learns that Venezuela's GDP started cratering around 2012-2013 already. US sanctions only picked up under Trump 1.0, aka 2017-2018. That's a 6 year gap bucko, your math ain't right. Cause for Venezuela's economic slump is not da CIA but retarded communist policies from lowbrow tracksuit wearing narco gangsters instead.

Amongst others these are nationalization of the oil industry - only to later found out that Venezuela didn't have the know-how nor machinery to keep the refineries running hence panic and sell permits for pennies on the dollar. Equally dumb were Venezuela's monetary and fiscal policies, aka universal price and currency controls. Market mechanisms don't exist anymore which is one of the reasons Venezuelan nappies get smuggled to Colombia yet basic goods are unavailable. Situation is so bad that Maduro and gang are actively pushing people over the borders, less mouths to feed and the state aligned Cartels are supposed to make money abroad to keep the Venezuela from collapsing.

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LaAguilaNegra said:
Total cap and lousy attempt at red-washing Venezuela's current destroyed economy. This type of disinfo peddling is common with thirdworldists and communist sympathizers, their entire argument per usual revolves around offloading blame and guilt on the US/ the West from whatever angle possible even if the latter have absolutely nothing to with things.

A quick Google search learns that Venezuela's GDP started cratering around 2012-2013 already. US sanctions only picked up under Trump 1.0, aka 2017-2018. That's a 6 year gap bucko, your math ain't right. Cause for Venezuela's economic slump is not da CIA but retarded communist policies from lowbrow tracksuit wearing narco gangsters instead.

Amongst others these are nationalization of the oil industry - only to later found out that Venezuela didn't have the know-how nor machinery to keep the refineries running hence panic and sell permits for pennies on the dollar. Equally dumb were Venezuela's monetary and fiscal policies, aka universal price and currency controls. Market mechanisms don't exist anymore which is one of the reasons Venezuelan nappies get smuggled to Colombia yet basic goods are unavailable. Situation is so bad that Maduro and gang are actively pushing people over the borders, less mouths to feed and the state aligned Cartels are supposed to make money abroad to keep the Venezuela from collapsing.

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Looks like we are going to be in the opposite sides in the upcoming big global war.
I dont buy this Western zio propaganda stuff, and yes all coubtries shoukd be nationalizing their mineral reserves, its coming in the future, trust me, and I will put my personal efforts towards this. You speak zionist. I will repeat: the only reason for Venezuela problems is being choked by US sanctions. No need to convince that your sick zio-british neoliberal usury based system is good, it us the most evil thing in the world.
 
magoo said:
US needs Venezuela to replace Russia in oil supply. Or bankrupt them.

oilprice.com

Should the U.S. Allow India To Buy Oil From Iran and Venezuela? | OilPrice.com

India has informed the US Administration that it could significantly reduce imports of Russian crude oil if allowed to purchase Iranian and Venezuelan oil, aiming to cut its crude import bill and navigate US pressure.
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Can we get @Get2choppaaa in here to explain the complexity of petrochemicals? I am hearing that Venezuelan oil is low in quality and is around 10-15 times more costly to refine than Saudi oil due to high levels of tar in the oil. Also most US refineries right now do not have the capacity to switch back to Venezuela's tar filled produce.

It's all about the escalation ladder, US is looking to preemptively remove a Russian ally that has shown willingness to host long distance Russian nuclear bombers. By doing so any countermove to US posturing in the Arctic or Europe is void avant la lettre.
 
Cooper said:
Venezuela is one of the most socially conservative countries in the western hemisphere. Gay marriage is banned, abortion highly restricted and they also have strong anti-usury laws, which I believe are pretty unique. Chavez was a devout Catholic.

"Venezuela has specific legislation to combat usury, which is primarily addressed in its competition and economic control laws, particularly the Procompetencia Act and related measures aimed at regulating prices and preventing speculation.

Key Laws and Provisions
  • Procompetencia Act and Competition Legislation: The current or proposed competition laws in Venezuela include provisions that criminalize usury. The Competition Bill, as discussed in past reports, includes specific criminal sanctions for those who commit usury, punishable by one to five years imprisonment."
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The little man is trying so hard to talk up the commie narcodictator Maduro, it's almost endearing. Unfortunately none of it is remotely true, and in 2024 Maduro adopted the The Law against Fascism, Neo Fascism and Similar Expressions which was created to manufacture a judicially ambiguous framework wherein Nicky and henchmen could, and I quote, 'ban certain organizations, penalize messages on social media, and create penalties including increased sentences for organizations that promote what Maduro's government defines as fascism or neo-fascism, with features of racism, chauvinism, classism, moral conservatism and neoliberalism'

A ban on and penalty for moral conservatism, damn that's a proper rugpul if you've just been trying to sell Maduro as the next Franco.

en.wikipedia.org

Law against Fascism, Neofascism and Similar Expressions - Wikipedia

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jayco said:
Looks like we are going to be in the opposite sides in the upcoming big global war.
I dont buy this Western zio propaganda stuff, and yes all coubtries shoukd be nationalizing their mineral reserves, its coming in the future, trust me, and I will put my personal efforts towards this. You speak zionist. I will repeat: the only reason for Venezuela problems is being choked by US sanctions. No need to convince that your sick zio-british neoliberal usury based system is good, it us the most evil thing in the world.
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Thirdworld fraudsters always have these kind of world ending meltdowns the second you push back against their inorganic and echo chamber concocted BS, very high estrogen vibe.

What was it again you duped yourself into believing? There is a six year gap between Venezuela economically collapsing and the US imposing sanctions bucko, open up the window a bit more your takes are crusty as hell

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Cooper said:
Chavez was a devout Catholic.
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Hugo Chavez was captivated by liberation theology, which stems from a KGB plot to infiltrate, subvert and takeover the Catholic Church. It's communism under a thin fake Catholic veil, and found fertile soil amongst Latin American masses who were easily persuaded. Chavez belonged to that easily tricked crowd as well, Catholic SJWs of the 60s is what they were.

Back to Nicky M. though, noticed you didn't mention him. I'll help you out, Nicholas Maduro is a pretty serious follower of the late Indian Hindu Guru Satyha Sai Baba. Maduro has traveled to India several times to meet his guru, and has received other Hindu gurus in Caracas as well. Not going to hate on Maduro for his religious preferences though, it's actually proves the man has personality and is a non-conformist. He's got nothing to win by doing this, so no hate. But at the end of the day he's still part of some wacky Hindu sect.

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What Do Maduro & India Have in Common? Sathya Sai Baba, Apparently

Venezuela is one among the 113 countries where the Sathya Sai Baba movement is active. The first Sai Centre was opened in Caracas in 1974, while the first workshop for EHV (education in human values) teachers was held in 1987.
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Venezuela has one of the region's most restrictive abortion laws while same-sex marriage remains illegal, even as more nations across Latin America are legalizing such unions. Citing family values, the Maduro government raided a gay men's club in July, has launched a war against illegal drug use and has even outlawed e-cigarettes. Until this year, gays were outlawed from Venezuela's armed forces.
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This outreach to evangelicals, who make up 13% of the population, according to a 2020 survey, may seem odd given the faith's longtime connection to conservative politicians and social causes. In neighboring Brazil, for example, evangelicals helped elect right-wing populist Jair Bolsonaro in that country's 2018 presidential election and were a key part of his coalition when he narrowly lost his 2022 reelection bid.
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Why do all these devout Hispanics keep voting for communists?

Why does a communist need to cozy up with evangelicals as Venezuela has done for the last 20 years?

Why do votes matter in Venezuela?

Why are protestants so politically active down there, are they "red pilled", a fifth column or just doing their civic duty?

Why do all these communists keep banning faggots?

Even abortion, wtf?

Does this mean the Catholics are based, since they love democracy in Venezuela?

Why is atheist, demonic China faring better than Venezuela?

Don't worry, these are all rhetorical. No pressure.
 
magoo said:

US Issues NOTAM Flight Alert Of "Heightened Military Activity" Over Venezuela | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
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US Issues NOTAM Flight Alert Of "Heightened Military Activity" Over Venezuela​

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Airlines begin to cancel their flights to Venezuela.
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Six airlines cancel Venezuela flights after US warning

Six airlines cancelled flights to Venezuela on Saturday, an industry group said, after the US aviation regulator warned of dangers from "heightened military activity" amid a major buildup of American forces in the region.The US Federal Aviation Administration on Friday urged civilian aircraft in...
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LaAguilaNegra said:
Can we get @Get2choppaaa in here to explain the complexity of petrochemicals? I am hearing that Venezuelan oil is low in quality and is around 10-15 times more costly to refine than Saudi oil due to high levels of tar in the oil. Also most US refineries right now do not have the capacity to switch back to Venezuela's tar filled produce.

It's all about the escalation ladder, US is looking to preemptively remove a Russian ally that has shown willingness to host long distance Russian nuclear bombers. By doing so any countermove to US posturing in the Arctic or Europe is void avant la lettre.
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Refining of different densities and sensitivities of crude oil requires different tooling agreed. Most of that is centralized in the Gulf Coast by 3 or 4 very very very large companies.

There is light, medium, and heavy types of crude then further separated by sulfur content (sweet - low sulfur or sour - high sulfur)

Oil from Venezuela is extra sour and heavy.

There are few refineries in the world that can process this. Majority of them are all along the Gulf Coast. This a natural fit for us.

Franky the issue isn't the oil type, which we can redfine. It's really more of the geopolitical security issue. We don't want their oil sent to other countries (Iranian or Indian or Russian or Chinese) refining operations and we want to be king shit on the castle in the Western Hemisphere.

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Its a continuation of the Monroe doctrine. American companies operated all these operations in Venezuela before they nationalized it

Also you have Guyana/Suriname next door and all the Super Majors have capital invested there and can't stand to have instability in the government.

For those interested in further nuance check the EIA. Some references below...

Refining crude oil - inputs and outputs - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

An overview of and data on inputs of crude oil and other liquids in oil refineries and resulting products of oil refining.
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Where our oil comes from - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

Where crude oil is produced, the top 5 oil producing states, the types of oil producers, and the top 5 crude oil producing countries.
www.eia.gov www.eia.gov
 
I would rather the US flex for dominance over our own hemisphere than do Zionist Israeli bidding in the Middle East and play tagalong to failing, flagging European former powers in Europe over Ukraine if I'm going to be frank about this whole thing.
 
Blade Runner said:
That's what is happening now, indeed.
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Its too convenient this coincides with a 'crap or get off the pot' ultimatum presented to Ukraine that the Russians largely approve of - "agree or we're done; we've other battles to fight. Feel free to purchase US arms with EU money, though."

I wonder if this will end up with much action at all or perhaps and handful of limited strikes on proven 'cartel' targets followed by either a guided dismissal of Maduro or a formal, structured agreement wherein he guarantees US and US firms rights and disavows pacts with the Chinese and Russians, the latter of which can't really help him anyway.
 
dicknixon72 said:
I would rather the US flex for dominance over our own hemisphere than do Zionist Israeli bidding in the Middle East and play tagalong to failing, flagging European former powers in Europe over Ukraine if I'm going to be frank about this whole thing.
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Controversial and unpopular opinion inbound:

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That pretty much my take.

Look I did the war party for hire experience as a Marine Corps Officer. I have no qualms about us being an Empire and expanding my bottom line and my kids being enriched by it. I've gotten over the altruism of isolationist notions. It's ideologically correct but discordant with reality.

I just want it to make money and an actual ROI that makes the US money...and I don't mind killing and dying for that cause if it lets my kids get a better life.

My problem is lying about what we are doing and my kids taking on burdens for wrecked military industrial complex spending with no capital end goal in sight.

Invasion of a country should be no different than a merger and acquisition.

Then we are being honest.

Instead it's all smoke and mirrors and lies to people to believe in bullshit a 6 year old could see through.
 



A US Air Force C-40B Clipper aircraft, responsible for transporting military leaders, landed at Maurice Bishop Airport in Granada. Yesterday, it made an unusual flight from Andrews Air Force Base, then to Terceira Island in the Isles of Wales, before continuing its journey to Granada.
 
TruckDriver9 said:
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We are slowly approaching the "take a dump, or get off the pot" moment, as there's not enough infrastructure in the area to sustain such a force for a prolonged period of time.
The moment of truth may happen next week, when cartel de los soles (allegedly headed by Maduro himself) will be officially designated a foreign terrorist organization.
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Cartel de los soles is now officially designated a foreign terrorist organization (FTO)
 
Get2choppaaa said:
Controversial and unpopular opinion inbound:

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That pretty much my take.

Look I did the war party for hire experience as a Marine Corps Officer. I have no qualms about us being an Empire and expanding my bottom line and my kids being enriched by it. I've gotten over the altruism of isolationist notions. It's ideologically correct but discordant with reality.

I just want it to make money and an actual ROI that makes the US money...and I don't mind killing and dying for that cause if it lets my kids get a better life.

My problem is lying about what we are doing and my kids taking on burdens for wrecked military industrial complex spending with no capital end goal in sight.

Invasion of a country should be no different than a merger and acquisition.

Then we are being honest.

Instead it's all smoke and mirrors and lies to people to believe in bullshit a 6 year old could see through.
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Do you have any qualms aout stealing the natural resources of other countries? Or hooking them up on debt trap usury IMF loans like we do for Argentina and many other countries? Or deliberately spreading chaos, fomenting civil wars in order to keep countries from developing (see Haiti, Libya, Syria, Honduras, Congo and many others) ?


Then we are being honest.
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Got to give her credit for being honest here:
 
Cooper said:
Do you have any qualms aout stealing the natural resources of other countries?
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No. Especially fake "Christian" countries. Venezuela (like China) is another atheist sh*thole. Maduro claims to be Catholic but he is really a hedonistic Antichrist pagan who does coke and bangs whores out of wedlock. So yeah, f*ck that guy. May he be buried in a shallow grave by US Navy Seals (the lesser of two evils).

Venezuela is a beautiful country steeped in natural resources. It is completely isolated with not one US soldier (much less a US military base) within its borders. So to blame America for its current sh*thole status is complete commie propaganda. And to believe that less than 50 CIA agents on the ground in Venezuela for the last 50 years are the cause of its current anarchistic sh*thole status is utter magical thinking. Venezuela is a chaotic sh*thole because low IQ Venezuelans allowed it to be so.

Cooper said:
Or hooking them up on debt trap usury IMF loans like we do for Argentina and many other countries? Or deliberately spreading chaos, fomenting civil wars in order to keep countries from developing (see Haiti, Libya, Syria, Honduras, Congo and many others) ?
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Victim, victim, victim. Again, the US is run by jews. So this "American Imperialism is rotten to the core" is not defining The Problem correctly. The global problem of "America" is really a problem of "the jews." 1970's Pinochet Chile, 1970's Peron Argentina, 1980's Nicaraguan Contra (rich) versus Sandanista (poor), etc., is not about American Imperialism but about jewish Imperialism (Kissinger, et al). These countries allowed themselves to be dominated by American and Israeli jews, and so to blame "America" (as in the American people) is like blaming a retarded child for being retarded.

These countries, including Venezuela, got themselves into their own 2025 predicaments by going down to the crossroads in the 1970's and doing deals with the the devil (i.e. the synagogue of satan).
 
dicknixon72 said:
I would rather the US flex for dominance over our own hemisphere than do Zionist Israeli bidding in the Middle East and play tagalong to failing, flagging European former powers in Europe over Ukraine if I'm going to be frank about this whole thing.
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PurpleUrkel said:
No. Especially fake "Christian" countries. Venezuela (like China) is another atheist sh*thole. Maduro claims to be Catholic but he is really a hedonistic Antichrist pagan who does coke and bangs whores out of wedlock. So yeah, f*ck that guy. May he be buried in a shallow grave by US Navy Seals (the lesser of two evils).

Venezuela is a beautiful country steeped in natural resources. It is completely isolated with not one US soldier (much less a US military base) within its borders. So to blame America for its current sh*thole status is complete commie propaganda. And to believe that less than 50 CIA agents on the ground in Venezuela for the last 50 years are the cause of its current anarchistic sh*thole status is utter magical thinking. Venezuela is a chaotic sh*thole because low IQ Venezuelans allowed it to be so.


Victim, victim, victim. Again, the US is run by jews. So this "American Imperialism is rotten to the core" is not defining The Problem correctly. The global problem of "America" is really a problem of "the jews." 1970's Pinochet Chile, 1970's Peron Argentina, 1980's Nicaraguan Contra (rich) versus Sandanista (poor), etc., is not about American Imperialism but about jewish Imperialism (Kissinger, et al). These countries allowed themselves to be dominated by American and Israeli jews, and so to blame "America" (as in the American people) is like blaming a retarded child for being retarded.

These countries, including Venezuela, got themselves into their own 2025 predicaments by going down to the crossroads in the 1970's and doing deals with the the devil (i.e. the synagogue of satan).
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Maduro is a racial Jew who adheres to communist ideology (rebranded Bolivarianism) and follows the spiritual teachings of a fringe Hindu guru. Maduro's quote of the day: 'Netanyahu is not a real Jew, I am a real Jew!'.

Hence in that sense Maduro's anti Zionist stance is in fully aligned with the Zionist critical movements on the European and American Left, all of which view Zionism as an extension of European colonialism/ White supremacy, and not as a malign offshoot of Talmudic-Halakhic teachings. Ergo Jewish Chosenness is not the problem, White people masquerading as Jews who have invaded Palestine are. This bears repetition because many of the subversive Dissident Right misinfo peddlers purposely leave this fact out in an attempt to somehow funnel good and righteous people towards their crap causes. These leftoid movements are often paid, led and/or handled by wealthy Jewish donors (Soros et al) themselves, as was glaringly obvious during the 2023-2024 US student protests.







 
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Cooper said:
Do you have any qualms aout stealing the natural resources of other countries? Or hooking them up on debt trap usury IMF loans like we do for Argentina and many other countries? Or deliberately spreading chaos, fomenting civil wars in order to keep countries from developing (see Haiti, Libya, Syria, Honduras, Congo and many others) ?
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We didn't have a problem doing it to the natives of this continent; we are stronger and better. Was true then, is true now.
 
dicknixon72 said:
We didn't have a problem doing it to the natives of this continent; we are stronger and better. Was true then, is true now.
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In the last 20 years Venezuela under the Chavez-Maduro tandem has threatened to invade all its neighbours, and it was only US interference and threats which kept the Venezuelans at bay. Political disputes with Brazil and Colombia in the Bolsonaro-Uribe era nearly turned hot in a number of occasions. Venezuela doesn't recognize the ABC (Aruba, Bonaire and Curaçao) islands as Dutch Overseas Territories and has in multiple occasions trespassed, flown jets overhead and tailed Dutch Navy ships. Venezuela recently declared 70 percent of Guyana's territory as it's own (Essequibo referendum, see beginning of the thread), and to top that off Maduro has also (jokingly?) declared more than once that Puerto Rico should be 'liberated'.

The Chavistas sound and act like a neighbourhood bully who has finally met an ever bigger bully and is now crying foul. Unfortunately it's a bit late for that, the Venecos had decades to work something out with Washington yet decided to snuggle up with geopolitical adversaries instead. Time's up.

 
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