Catholicism: Criticism & Debate Thread

^Universal, not globalist, and as opposed to tribal. "Catholic" is derived from Greek katholikos, meaning universal. The Catholic faith is, accordingly, spread worldwide. Nationalism does coexist with faith, in fact Catholic faith has helped preserve nations like Ireland or Poland, which would have been erased without their faith.

As to that cathedral in Buffalo, it reminds me of a famous church in the Chelsea area of Manhattan which was turned into a disco and a gay gym. I'm not sure if that's better than an islamic place of worship...

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Also, I should add that the bankruptcy of archdioceses like Buffalo was a hit job by homosexual infiltrators working with ((outsiders)) to bring down the Church, and in many areas like northern NY, they were pretty successful.
 
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Vas Incrementum said:
Why, oh why do some of you here insist on spending time on these divisive, nit picking exercises. Do you not comprehend the times we're living in? We ought to be looking for common ground so that we can withstand what's coming, not constantly "othering" those of us who are baptised brothers in Christ. As a Catholic I spend many hours in prayer and worshiping the Lord each week and I could tell you many stories of miraculous events testifying that God is very much involved in my life, but you chose to see me as inferior.

Shame on you and the Dyer Orthobros for this nonsense. This thread and the general purple pillness of far too many CiK members is why I post so little here. The twelth hour is here, stop wasting time on fruitless, pendanic arguments that alienate rather than bond.
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For me, Catholicism has been troublesome because it did not deliver what it promised. The Catholic Church presents itself as the one true Church, with the popes as the successors of St. Peter — the apostle to whom Christ himself entrusted the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven.

Yet even after attending multiple Catholic Masses and prayers — including Pope Francis’s Mass during his tour of Southeast Asia — I felt nothing. Catholicism did not move me. I did not sense the presence of God or the Holy Spirit, something that, in my experience, Orthodoxy can indeed convey.

Had Catholicism fulfilled its promises, I would, of course, speak of it far more favorably.

Below are my previous posts in this thread that talks about the same thing.​
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On September 5, 2024, Pope Francis embarked on his Southeast Asian tour. Besides visiting various countries, he also celebrated Mass in each of them. Even though I was already a firm believer in Orthodoxy, I attended his Mass because it had been over 30 years since a Pope's last visit—Pope John Paul II in 1989. I was curious to see what would happen and what I would experience during his visit and Mass.

At first, I was excited since it was a kind of once-in-a-lifetime experience. It's not every day that a Pope celebrates Mass himself. I felt excitement from the start of the day until the...
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Seng Hock

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FrancisK said:
You're the guy who thinks cars, abs and women are the pinnacle of existence leading to becoming an "alpha" male right?

Not the biggest fan of the current pope myself but yea I don't think you're the one who should judging anyone's faith. Having vanity in regards to your faith is not the best look....
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FrancisK said:
Confessing your faith doesn't have to include vanity. He could have included this in one of the Orthodoxy threads if his intentions were otherwise.
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Got it...my apologies for misunderstanding the context, you'll have to excuse me just a little dismayed by some earlier...
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Catholicism makes no promises of giving you certain feelings, as far as I'm aware and neither does Eastern Orthodoxy. But I do get your point and was in a similar position to you, thinking the RC was spiritually hollow, until the devil had a say in the matter and I had to reach out to all the denominations locally for spiritual help. The clergy of the Orthodox Church I was attending turned their back on me. To be fair to free-church protestants, a group did offer prayers, but the only effective help I got was from a Dominican priest. And that led me back to the Church of my childhood.

And if you don't think Jesus is active in the Catholic Church, then I beg to differ with you. I've been back in the RCC for coming up to 4 years and have had profound, even miraculous, experiences and heard the testimonies from many who've had life changing, conversion experiences. But I equally accept such experiences happen in all denominations that practice the Gospel and adhere to the fundamentals of the faith: to confess Jesus Christ is Lord, to love the Lord thy God and to love your neighbour as yourself.

If you had prayed earnestly for a deeper relationship with God while in the Catholic Church, God would've responded and led you into one.
 
Vas Incrementum said:
Catholicism makes no promises of giving you certain feelings, as far as I'm aware and neither does Eastern Orthodoxy. But I do get your point and was in a similar position to you, thinking the RC was spiritually hollow, until the devil had a say in the matter and I had to reach out to all the denominations locally for spiritual help. The clergy of the Orthodox Church I was attending turned their back on me. To be fair to free-church protestants, a group did offer prayers, but the only effective help I got was from a Dominican priest. And that led me back to the Church of my childhood.

And if you don't think Jesus is active in the Catholic Church, then I beg to differ with you. I've been back in the RCC for coming up to 4 years and have had profound, even miraculous, experiences and heard the testimonies from many who've had life changing, conversion experiences. But I equally accept such experiences happen in all denominations that practice the Gospel and adhere to the fundamentals of the faith: to confess Jesus Christ is Lord, to love the Lord thy God and to love your neighbour as yourself.

If you had prayed earnestly for a deeper relationship with God while in the Catholic Church, God would've responded and led you into one.
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Very interesting — it’s quite remarkable how people can pray to God and yet receive different answers. You were led by God to the Catholic Church, while I was led to the Orthodox Church.

You had a bad experience with the Orthodox Church, where the clergy seemed to ignore you, whereas I had my own struggles in the Catholic Church, where I felt nothing at all. I didn’t sense the presence of God, Christ, or the Holy Spirit.

Through a series of coincidences — which I now see as God’s plan — I was eventually led to the Orthodox Church, and there, I truly felt as though I had come home. Here’s my post from last year to show that this is no joke.​
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It started on the year 2017 when Zakir Naik visited my country, YouTube's algorithm recommended almost all of his videos to me. I watched several of them but I disliked his hardcore Islamist views and the Islamists comments on his videos. So I began to search for rebuttals to his views on the Internet. From searching I accidentally found Ali Sina's personal blog and his Faith Freedom website. For those who did not know Ali Sina is one of the forerunners of anti-Islam movement, he started writing since early 2000's far before the time of David Wood, Sam...
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P.S. I should probably remind myself to post more evidence that I truly attended multiple Catholic Masses, prayers, rosaries, and other activities — but none of them had any real effect on me. Maybe I’ll share more about that in other, more suitable threads.​
 
Seng Hock said:
Let me be clear: I have no intention of glorifying myself or indulging in pride.

Think of it this way: imagine several pizza chains—Roosh's Pizza, Pizza Hut, and Domino's Pizza. I've tasted them all and decided that Roosh's Pizza reigns supreme. Naturally, since I've tried each one, I can assess other pizza places and critique their shortcomings compared to Roosh's Pizza.
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The Catholic Church and Orthodix Church are two branches of Christianity, meanwhile a separate branch, Protestantism, wasn’t mentioned. So mentioning both Pizza Hit and Domino’s Pizza doesn’t add up.
Seng Hock said:
This is my intention when writing my posts. I have attended various Catholic worship services, but they did not fulfill their purpose as advertised. I have experienced nearly every form of Mass and liturgy in the Roman Catholic Church—including the Sunday Eucharistic Mass, First Friday Mass, Stations of the Cross prayers, the three Paschal Holy Days (Maundy Thursday, Good Friday, and Holy Saturday), Palm Sunday, the Rosary in May and October, Novena prayers, and the pinnacle of all: attending Pope Francis’s Mass.

I attended a Catholic junior high school and a Catholic senior high school. Additionally, I received both my undergraduate and postgraduate professional degrees at a Catholic university. As you can see, I am well-versed in the ins and outs of Catholicism.

Fun fact: In mid-2023 (two years ago), despite being already baptized as a Christian, I attended a Roman Catholic Novus Ordo Mass, where I received Communion from a Catholic priest. The following week, when I attended the Divine Liturgy at my usual Eastern Orthodox church, I confessed that I had participated in a Catholic Mass and received Communion there. My priest responded, "Why did you receive Communion? Is it necessary to take it?" As a result, I was forbidden from receiving the Body of Christ that day. I had to repent and fast for a week before I was finally allowed to partake in Communion again. At that moment, I realized that instead of being filled with grace by receiving Communion at a Catholic church, I had made a grave mistake—truly an omae wa mou shindeiru moment.

As you can see, my criticisms are firmly rooted in reality and backed by a solid foundation.
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