The Iran and Wider Middle East Thread

This seems quite premature, but...


I keep thinking about the TilTok videos of Israeli people laughing at Palestinian kids taking their last breath. I think of demons like Tom Cotton, Lyndsay Graham, Frankenstein from PA telling us how Israel was morally superior and their answer was to ban TikTok. Fox News putting Mark Levin on to lie every night. Sean Hannity telling us Israel had the most moral military in the world. How midget Dan Crenshaw told us we would regret questioning Israel. How whites were told to take a back seat and lose everything and then last week Netanyahu claimed Whites for lack of support.

This feels like Christmas morning when I was 7 and there was a load of new presents waiting for me under the tree.
 
It all depends on two things:

1. How long can Iran keep hitting Israel with ballistic missiles? They are rumoured to have thousands of them, but we don’t really know.
2. Will the USA step in?

If Iran can keep hitting Israel with drones and ballistic missiles on a daily basis for more than a week or two and the USA does not step in, Israel will have to negotiate or use nukes.

Israel never negotiates as we've seen by their outrageous abuse or power in Palestina, Iran is showing that Israel is not invulnerable. Let's see how other countries are going to react
 
Israel never negotiates as we've seen by their outrageous abuse or power in Palestina, Iran is showing that Israel is not invulnerable. Let's see how other countries are going to react
They never negotiate because they attack all their neighbours with impunity, which has made them think they are untouchable and invincible. Iran has just shattered this aura of invincibility.

If Iran can keep striking like this for days/weeks and the USA don’t step in they will have to face three choices: Samson option, remove Netanyahu and negotiate, or defeat.
 
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I remember people recommending this CIA operative. What a worthless clown.


The mental gymnastics involved where he implicitly admits that the USA and Israel etc brought down the Shah of Iran and therefore installed the Islamic regime in Iran but somehow its Iran's fault? Its like how the CIA funded the Taliban to fight the soviet union then later turned around and said "Taliban bad, lets invade Afghanistan". Again the consistent theme is the Jews and the CIA, etc involving themselves into other countries. That is the true of chaos in the world.
 
I pray tonight that Trump is the man of the moment he needs to be. I pray his actions match what I always felt his heart was - peaceful. A man of great bluster and bark, but little bite (in a good way).

I pray he thinks of his family - past, present, and future - and that God gives him the strength and fortitude to withstand the pressure of the Zionist contingent that drives him to war.

I pray the peaceful members of his cabinet and circle rally to him and that goal in this moment of truth.

He may not be perfect, but he didn't let us down in 2019 when he refused to go to war over an unmanned robot plane. That was a test. And so was this.

God be with him in this challenge and God truly be with the United States in this moment we need Him to keep the peace.
 


"I went to the Army parade. I asked many Trumpists there about whether the US should join Israel’s assault on Iran. Zero were enthusiastic.

Israel First billionaires like Ackman are the main domestic constituency pushing Trump to send Americans to die for their fake ethnosupremacist second country, and doing so through bribery.

These termites need to be routed out of our political system."
 
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Macgregor nails it, once again.
1M views, pass it on.



"In the last 72 hours, Israel launched a preemptive strike against Iran when negotiations between Washington and Tehran were still ongoing. Iran was caught off-guard. But Iran recovered more quickly from its Pearl Harbor moment than Israel expected. In less than 18 hours after Israel’s surprise attack, Iran responded firing hundreds of ballistic missiles including hypersonic missiles into central Tel Aviv and across Israel.

Meanwhile, Israel's Iron Dome failed. Israeli intelligence failed. Now Netanyahu is pleading with Washington to intervene with American Military Power to rescue Israel from certain defeat; a defeat Netanyahu crafted with encouragement from Washington.

At the same time, Russia, China, Pakistan and most of the Muslim World are rallying to Iran’s defense. Supplies, equipment and technical assistance are pouring into Iran.

It’s time for a reality check: Washington burned through $12 trillion in the Middle East since 2003. Result? 7,000 dead Americans. 50,000 wounded, open borders and 100,000 Americans dying yearly from Fentanyl poisoning.

Today, the United States is $37 trillion in debt, a sum that does not include so-called “agency debt.” 77 million Americans voted for President Trump because he promised to end the overseas conflicts and halt the march to WW3. Trump’s mandate is unchanged: Secure America’s borders, ports and coastal waters. Deport illegal aliens, crush the criminals r-ping and murdering Americans. Restore the rule of law. But not one more drop of American blood for foreign wars.

One Israeli strike on Kharg Island—where 90% of Iran's oil exports flow—or Bandar Abbas terminals, and Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz. That's 20% of global oil supply. That means disrupted supply chains and runaway inflation. Gas hits $7/gallon overnight. Every working family crushed. Truckers can't deliver food. Economy crashes.

For what? So Israel that started this insane war can drag Americans into a wider regional conflict with the potential for nuclear war?

We have 40,000 troops in UAE, Qatar, across the Persian Gulf. They are sitting ducks. Iranian Shahed-136 Drones cost $20,000 each. American Patriot Missiles cost $4 million per interceptor. Do the math. We will run through our inventory of missiles and go broke while Americans come home in boxes.

The Middle East is on the brink. Here's what Washington must do to defuse conflict:

1. Ask for an Emergency UN Security Council meeting. Ask for an Immediate ceasefire making it clear that Washington opposes the destruction of Iran, Israel and any other state in the Middle East.

2. Demand that Israel stop the killing of Palestinians in Gaza and withdraw its forces from Gaza and the West Bank.

3. Suspend all military aid to Israel until Israel agrees to remove its troops from Gaza and permit humanitarian assistance to reach the people of Gaza.

4. Propose the commitment of Armed Forces from non-aligned nations to police Gaza and the West Bank.

5. Propose that the United States, Russia, China, India and Brazil convene a peace conference to arbitrate the dispute between Israel, Iran and Israel’s neighbors.

I led American Soldiers under fire into action. I've seen plenty of flag-draped coffins. I don’t want to see any more. Washington’s warmongers had 22 years. They failed. They lied. They profited while America bled. Time's up.

America First means AMERICA FIRST.

Not Israel first.

Not Ukraine first.

Not NATO first.

AMERICA FIRST."
 
Been hearing about this since at least 2012 that Russia was going to supply Syria, and then Iran, with capable air defense.

Syria shot down a Russian plane while trying to defend against an Israeli air attack in an apparent set up a few years ago, which looked like Israel knew EXACTLY what were the capabilities of the, I think, S-300s the Syrians were using at the time.

And a similar scenario played out more recently where Iran shot down one of its own passenger jets.

It looks like Israel has the upper hand and that Russia either does not have or does not properly share its air defense.

Supplying Iran with capable AD systems would have negated Israeli air supremacy, which in turn would have prevented the current turkey shoot that is happening over and on Iranian soil. It is quite certain that maintaining Israeli aerial superiority is part of a set of below the table agreements between Netanyahu and Putin.

Syria was the proverbial canary in the coalmine. For 8 years the Israelis had a free hand in Syrian airspace, and in the final stages of Bashar's rule the Russians and Israeli were daily coordinating strikes on SAA/Iranian targets, aka the Israelis told the Russians where and what they would strike to avoid accidents. Not once did the Russian AD systems engage, and not once did the Russian inform the Iranians about their impending doom. Some very big IRGC fish were fried in Syria over the years. The few outdated Russian AD pieces the Syrians operated were purposely compromised as to avoid the SAAs AD assets engaging Israeli jets, and by extension putting a block on Israeli operations.

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Iran is a tad different as Russia cannot avoid Iran to fall due to the grave geopolitical consequences it would have. Nevertheless the Russians are very vocal about the need for the Iranians to abide by the Non Proliferation Treaty, and to cooperate with international organizations on the matter. The Kremlin might very well start pushing for negotiations and a new JCPOA tier deal soon enough, calling it here.

The Iranians have been trying to move the RU- IR relationship forward but got hit with a brick wall every single time. Pro tip: it might be an idea for one of the Boomerturbans to do an Early Life check on about half the Kremlin as to find out the why, stuff's embarrassing. Iran's last gesture of goodwill: providing Russia with drones and short distance missiles in the first months of Ukraine, and eventually granting Russia the needed licenses to move Shaheed production plants to Russia instead.

Per usual the Kremlinboomers did not return the favor, and have been behaving like a bunch of a-holes on just about every occasion instead. S400 sale, deliberately put on hold. S300 sale, delivery deliberatily delayed until the Iranians started a years long court case in Geneva. Su35 sale, deliberately put on hold. The Russians we're actually so not willing to hand over Iran its hardware that they fasttracked a much later placed Algerian order Su35 a couple of months ago.

www.timesofisrael.com/report-russia-freezes-delivery-of-s-300-missile-defense-to-iran/amp/

Nevertheless copetakes will continue flowing. Con-artists and snake oil vendors have been flocking around this stale narrative for over a decade, and that ain't gonna change overnight. Pay attention to how any reference to the S400/S35 saga will get conveniently ignored, yet junk garage sales of outdated and inferior Russian weapon systems and intentionally de-contextualized and misinterpreted official Russian statements are totally proof.

In that sense it will be a bit like the Gaza affaire. For 18 months Putin has also been just about to move on Gaza and flex his mucles to stop the genocide. Two more weeks y'all! Meanwhile half the European Continent is moving forward with boycotting and sanctioning Israel, but not a word on that.

Iran was never supposed to be a peer competitor and that set up has worked. Courtesy of Putin. Hence the Iranians now have to deal with 200-250 Israeli sorties per day without any tools or assets to stop those from hitting their target. Despite small recent victories in the form of leveling Israeli apartment buildings, and exacting a real price aka a death toll, the situation is unsustainable.
 
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