Donald Trump: Criticism & Debate Thread

That take makes no sense, Blackrock and co are a full part of the City and already own a lot of the action in Europe. Trump's coterie is part of the same scene.

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This is a crude try at explaining things that doesn't explain even half of what's happening. Blackrock is not the be all and end of everything.
 
We haven’t talked much about it on this boards, but it’s been in the news about 4 days now Abrego Garcia, is a ms13 gang member, deported to his native country of El Salvador and placed in one if their Supermax prisons.


For the past few days, the fake news media is calling him a Maryland Resident who had his civil rights violated and was mistakenly and illegally deported and the Supreme Court has ordered his return to the USA .

None of that’s has actually happened. .

A Maryland senator Chris van Holde has gone so far as travel to El Salvador and get photo ops with Garcia and vow for his “safe return to the United States . “

Which is comical. Garcia is a El Salvadoran citizen, currently in El Salvador.

He does have a wife in the USA , she is a USA citizen. Jennifer Vasquez Sura.

A judge had ordered that he shouldn’t be sent to El Salvador because of rival gang dangers. Since he was deported to rl Salvador, the fake news is doubling down on the narrative that the deportation must be illegal and Garcia must be returned to the United States. President bukele has stated that will never happen.

An activist judge, is working to try to get Garcia back into the USA, and that isn’t happening.

Here’s the gofundme me image, not putting up a link for obvious reasons, but they have collected over $230000 to try to “return” Garcia to the United States.

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And the case filings

I’m posting this here because my short initial reply in the Borders thread morphed into a Trump rant. I actually deleted half of it as it went on a harebrained tangent.

Why isn’t the administration going after GoFundMe? Were these gangs not designated as foreign terrorists? If not, why not? If so, this is funding terrorism. Give the C suite the proper treatment. Same with the judges.

Trump isn’t even half-assing it a few months into his presidency. Not even half-measures. Go hard or go home.

No arrests or mass deportations, but instead we get a tariff war, antisemitism crackdown, and Greenland? Distractions. The country needs emergency surgery to treat a gaping wound and a fatal infection, and this guy sends the patient to massage therapy.

Despite all the bluster and big talk, Donald Trump is a wimp, and everyone knows it. He proved that in his first term. Evil people, as are the governors of America, are ruled by fear, not morality. In other words, fear of man, not God. Nobody fears this man. The only reason he was allowed a second term was to forward the agenda of a foreign country in the Middle East.
 
I’m posting this here because my short initial reply in the Borders thread morphed into a Trump rant. I actually deleted half of it as it went on a harebrained tangent.

Why isn’t the administration going after GoFundMe? Were these gangs not designated as foreign terrorists? If not, why not? If so, this is funding terrorism. Give the C suite to the proper treatment. Same with the judges.

Trump isn’t even half-assing it a few months into his presidency. Not even half-measures. Go hard or go home.

No arrests or mass deportations, but instead we get a tariff war, antisemitism crackdown, and Greenland? Distractions. The country needs emergency surgery to treat a gaping wound and a fatal infection, and this guy sends the patient to massage therapy.

Despite all the bluster and big talk, Donald Trump is a wimp, and everyone knows it. He proved that in his first term. Evil people, as are the governors of America, are ruled by fear, not morality. In other words, fear of man, not God. Nobody fears this man. The only reason he was allowed a second term was to forward the agenda of a foreign country in the Middle East.
See the stock market rebounding? That is because most of the tariffs are completely toothless, exclude the goods Wall Street was worried about, and are mostly going to do nothing. It was all bluster and talk. At best it will be another disappointment, at worse it was coordinated to cool off a too hot stock market, get novices to sell and the big boys to buy as prices came down. I hope others bought when the Dow got under 40,000. I did but not nearly as much I wanted to, due to expecting the market to come down more.
 
I’m posting this here because my short initial reply in the Borders thread morphed into a Trump rant. I actually deleted half of it as it went on a harebrained tangent.

Why isn’t the administration going after GoFundMe? Were these gangs not designated as foreign terrorists? If not, why not? If so, this is funding terrorism.

The go fund me is to “support the family if Abrego Garcia”. His wife is collecting money, she hadn’t been found guilty of anything at this point.


Give the C suite the proper treatment. Same with the judges.

The judge and Senator that are working overtime to try to import Garcia to the USA? And get him out of prison in El Salvador? That I have no idea man.



Trump isn’t even half-assing it a few months into his presidency. Not even half-measures. Go hard or go home.

No arrests or mass deportations,

Garcia was arrested and part of a mass deportation.

but instead we get a tariff war, antisemitism crackdown, and Greenland? Distractions. The country needs emergency surgery to treat a gaping wound and a fatal infection, and this guy sends the patient to massage therapy.

Despite all the bluster and big talk, Donald Trump is a wimp, and everyone knows it. He proved that in his first term. Evil people, as are the governors of America, are ruled by fear, not morality. In other words, fear of man, not God. Nobody fears this man. The only reason he was allowed a second term was to forward the agenda of a foreign country in the Middle East.
 
The go fund me is to “support the family if Abrego Garcia”. His wife is collecting money, she hadn’t been found guilty of anything at this point.
Why hasn’t the family been deported if there are these supposed “mass deportations”? And who cares what the fund says it’s for? “This is a fund to support the illegal alien families of terrorists.” I would track down and arrest anyone who even donated to it.

You and your adherence to this antiquated concept of “due process,” a privilege which you grant to your enemies and of which they seek to deprive you, is going to be the death of us all. This is a war, not a civil dispute. These people are foreign enemies, and so is anyone who aids and abets them, or perhaps I should use the phrase giving them aid and comfort (hint - you can use this to unleash hell, you just have to have the right pieces in position beforehand, and the people in positions of power are Zionist retards who are too dumb to do that even if they wanted to - Democrats are more shrewd than Republicans, and they will do it eventually because they’ve set the board).

I would arrest that bitch, seize her assets, and have her and her kids expelled. Why? Because her name is Garcia. Get the fuck out of my country.
 
Why hasn’t the family been deported if there are these supposed “mass deportations”? And who cares what the fund says it’s for? “This is a fund to support the illegal alien families of terrorists.”


The wife is a USA citizen.

You and your adherence to this antiquated concept of “due process,” a privilege which you grant to your enemies and of which they seek to deprive you, is going to be the death of us all. This is a war, not a civil dispute. These people are foreign enemies, and so is anyone who aids and abets them, or perhaps I should use the phrase giving them aid and comfort (hint - you can use this to unleash hell, you just have to have the right pieces in position beforehand, and the people in positions of power are Zionist retards who are too dumb to do that even if they wanted to - Democrats are more shrewd than Republicans, and they will do it eventually because they’ve set the board).

I would arrest that bitch, seize her assets, and have her and her kids expelled. Why? Because her name is Garcia. Get the fuck out of my country.

Stupidity isn’t a crime .
What crime are you arresting her for?
 
The wife is a USA citizen.



Stupidity isn’t a crime .
What crime are you arresting her for?
Did you read what I said? What crime were the Japanese interned for in WW2? What crime was Solzhenitsyn arrested for?

We have an Article 58 written right into our Constitution. A blank check to be used by the person in power who defines it, just so long as that person puts the right people in place to enforce it, and to punish anyone who would disobey.

She could be charged for any reason you please. Harboring a terrorist, collecting funds that have been or certainly will be used on his behalf, collaboration of various sorts. If she shared a home with him, and maybe a joint bank account, or knew and interacted with any of his gang buddies or hosted them in her home, gave them a ride, I’m sure you could crack open a book and figure out any number of legitimate charges to bring against her if you were clever enough. If she hasn’t committed a crime yet, investigate her, wait until she does, exaggerate the offense, and if there is none, invent one. I guarantee you your enemies would!

But who cares about legitimate. Her real crime is being the wife of her husband, didn’t you know? Stupidity isn’t a crime, but complicity is. She does not belong here, and neither do her children.

You seem to not understand this, but if you live in this country, someday you will, when it is being enforced against you by people who do not share your reservations or concern for legal process. You will wish that someone with your best interests in mind had done so, on your behalf, when they had the chance.
 
Did you read what I said? What crime were the Japanese interned for in WW2? What crime was Solzhenitsyn arrested for?

We have an Article 58 written right into our Constitution. A blank check to be used by the person in power who defines it, just so long as that person puts the right people in place to enforce it, and to punish anyone who would disobey.

She could be charged for any reason you please. Harboring a terrorist, collecting funds that have been or certainly will be used on his behalf, collaboration of various sorts. If she shared a home with him, and maybe a joint bank account, or knew and interacted with any of his gang buddies or hosted them in her home, gave them a ride, I’m sure you could crack open a book and figure out any number of legitimate charges to bring against her if you were clever enough. If she hasn’t committed a crime yet, investigate her, wait until she does, exaggerate the offense, and if there is none, invent one. I guarantee you your enemies would!

But who cares about legitimate. Her real crime is being the wife of her husband, didn’t you know? Stupidity isn’t a crime, but complicity is. She does not belong here, and neither do her children.

You seem to not understand this, but if you live in this country, someday you will, when it is being enforced against you by people who do not share your reservations or concern for legal process. You will wish that someone with your best interests in mind had done so, on your behalf, when they had the chance.

If you were Pres you'd just get the people to hate you, and enemies 10x worse would come in after you, erasing everything you did and making the world so much worse. You don't understand how power works, how to keep it or wield it.

Trump may be doing things incorrectly but your way would be even worse because you seem to think one man can do anything in America when that's clearly not how the Constitution works.
 
You seem to not understand this, but if you live in this country, someday you will, when it is being enforced against you by people who do not share your reservations or concern for legal process. You will wish that someone with your best interests in mind had done so, on your behalf, when they had the chance.

But you clearly have no concern for legal due process yourself. You just want people you don't like arrested and/or deported for whatever reason (or no reason).

You don't seem to care about the Constitution or civil rights at all.
 
But you clearly have no concern for legal due process yourself. You just want people you don't like arrested and/or deported for whatever reason (or no reason).

You don't seem to care about the Constitution or civil rights at all.
Determining that people are illegal aliens and then deporting them is due process. It's not like they deport them without checking their immigration status.

There's no need for a bloated court process to be dragged out for every case. If it is verified that they are illegal, not here under any valid visa or immigration status, that is sufficient due process to deport them.

Just like any other country.
 
Determining that people are illegal aliens and then deporting them is due process. It's not like they deport them without checking their immigration status.

There's no need for a bloated court process to be dragged out for every case. If it is verified that they are illegal, not here under any valid visa or immigration status, that is sufficient due process to deport them.

Just like any other country.

Have you even read what he is writing? He wants to arrest US citizens based on their surnames.

I would arrest that bitch, seize her assets, and have her and her kids expelled. Why? Because her name is Garcia. Get the fuck out of my country.
 
Have you even read what he is writing? He wants to arrest US citizens based on their surnames.
Well, I have to agree that's going too far. If they're here legally, then no deportation.

I can see going so far as to revoke green cards, and refugee or amnesty status, but deporting US citizens based on their name is completely out.
 
If you were Pres you'd just get the people to hate you, and enemies 10x worse would come in after you, erasing everything you did and making the world so much worse. You don't understand how power works, how to keep it or wield it.

Trump may be doing things incorrectly but your way would be even worse because you seem to think one man can do anything in America when that's clearly not how the Constitution works.
I’m aware of how the Constitution works. We shouldn’t shackle ourselves to it. It was a social contract that has been abrogated and broken. We can still give lip service to it, but it’s detrimental to our interests to adhere to rules the opposition doesn’t.

The left hates the Constitution? Great, they don’t get any of the protections it confers. Use their own laws and reasoning to strip them of the rights they hold in contempt, and you can do it all “constitutionally” within the framework they’ve built. It would be nice to see a president take that initiative, instead of always trying to claw back an inch from the miles that have been lost.

It is true that the president can’t do it all himself, and must go through Congress and the courts to accomplish permanent change. But a shrewd leader would leverage all means at his disposal to get what he wants through those institutions and surround himself with men wiser than he. We have a dope who put Amy Coney Barrett onto the Supreme Court and made Marco Rubio his Secretary of State. That’s not exactly implementing a network of powerful allies you can rely upon in the future.

If you are a Republican, you have no basis to tell me how power works. You’ve lost it at every opportunity you were given. You don’t know how to retain it or exercise it when you have it and therefore cannot be trusted in applying your knowledge in how to accrue or retrieve it. You do not have generations to claw anything back. Time is not on your side.

The Republican Party is by analogy the man who buried his talent. They have repeatedly failed to use what has been given to them to promote a Godly society. We have a Big Tent Republican Party now, on full display at their last convention. What little they have left should be taken from them and given to another who will use the resources more effectively. These people have squandered every opportunity they have ever been given.

The Trump administration is a circus sideshow to the broader clown world that allows the people to be complacent while delaying the inevitable. I don’t expect we’ll ever see the brutal right wing dictatorship of my dreams, but having a toothless Republican administration going through the motions and making big talk while carrying a twig is almost worse than having a Democrat in office. At least then you wouldn’t have any false hope, and if the pain was real enough that ultimately prompts men into action.

Instead we have to hear about [Republican man] is [bad dictator man who acted in his country’s interest] for four years while we continue our decline. If only that were true.
 
Have you even read what he is writing? He wants to arrest US citizens based on their surnames.
Surnames? He wants to deport US citizens to El Salvador. I wrote about this before. And said the inventor of the guillotine died in it.





In any metric all this El Salvador stuff is crazy stuff. It´s typical of shit countries like Russia or China. US is most likely going into a spanish style civil war. It´s just a matter of time. Hopefully an american Franco wins. Normal solutions don´t exist. They are always overboard.

My guess is antisemitism or criticizing jews will be considered a terrorist offence. But I could be wrong.
 
I’m aware of how the Constitution works. We shouldn’t shackle ourselves to it. It was a social contract that has been abrogated and broken. We can still give lip service to it, but it’s detrimental to our interests to adhere to rules the opposition doesn’t.

So basically you want a totalitarian state where the law is whatever the Dictator feels like that day.
 
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But you clearly have no concern for legal due process yourself. You just want people you don't like arrested and/or deported for whatever reason (or no reason).

You don't seem to care about the Constitution or civil rights at all.
This hurts my feelings. Of course I care about those things, I just don’t believe they’re really things that exist as real protections against government abuse in today’s practical reality. Instead, they seem to exist only for a leftist government to leverage in protection of its criminal base, while ignoring these things in application to actual Americans.

It’s endless due process for illegal aliens or black murderers, but J6ers go to the gulag. Free speech for communist subverters, but hate speech and antisemitism laws for you. Free legal services to bail out violent rioters, but it’s bankruptcy for you and possibly life in prison if you try and escape rioters surrounding your car. You can’t fire the vocal sodomite in your office, but they can get you fired and bankrupt you if you utter a peep against them.

Can’t keep that going can we? I’m just proposing that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
Surnames? He wants to deport US citizens to El Salvador. I wrote about this before. And said the inventor of the guillotine died in it.





In any metric all this El Salvador stuff is crazy stuff. It´s typical of shit countries like Russia or China. US is most likely going into a spanish style civil war. It´s just a matter of time. Hopefully an american Franco wins. Normal solutions don´t exist. They are always overboard.

My guess is antisemitism or criticizing jews will be considered a terrorist offence. But I could be wrong.

Citizenship is meaningless in 2025 America. You get to pay for all of the noncitizens who enjoy the same rights and privileges as you. Not in law, but in practice.

What is an American? Someone with a piece of paper that says so?
 
Citizenship is meaningless in 2025 America. You get to pay for all of the noncitizens who enjoy the same rights and privileges as you. Not in law, but in practice.

What is an American? Someone with a piece of paper that says so?
They enjoy way more. They get welfare, free healthcare, housing, sometimes even free money. They wear nicer clothes than I own. They stay in nicer places a lot of the time. And they work jobs that are often low stress. They are low IQ r-select people, so they don't care if their kids grow up in a good situation, so they pop out kids and have a legacy. While many young men in the USA have already given up, or will give up soon...



The good news is when Israel demands we go to war with Iran, and it will come one day, there will be nothing left of the USA to fight with. At least the great evil of the world will be stopped by its own greed and unconcern for its own citizens.
 
So basically you want a totalitarian state where the law is whatever the Dictator feels like that day.
What is a king? Who were the judges of Israel? Have there not been righteous men who lead their nations in the past? There is this idea now that anything other than a democratic or republican styled government is somehow the epitome of evil. I don’t get it.

I know you want a representative form of government, but do you really have one now? I just participated in our representative government this week, at the local level, and I can tell you it is anything but. Works the same way all the way up the chain.

We’re already moving towards a totalitarian system, and not one that will be good for anyone here. What difference does it make whether a corrupted system is run by one man or many of them? At least with the former, the system has a face, and feet at which to lay the blame.

There is no perfect government of man. I liked the one my forefathers set up, and it was nice while it lasted. I’m afraid that’s gone now. I’m just throwing out ideas, and am open to considering alternatives.
 
If you are a Republican, you have no basis to tell me how power works. You’ve lost it at every opportunity you were given. You don’t know how to retain it or exercise it when you have it and therefore cannot be trusted in applying your knowledge in how to accrue or retrieve it.
This is the best part of your argument. We're expecting the people who created the problem to solve the problem which is magical thinking.

Right now Trump has the house, senate, and a majority Supreme Court and still can't get anything of real lasting substance done in large part because he doesn't really understand the difference between jews and Christians, much less does he understand that elite talmudic billionaire jews have taken a blood oath to destroy Christianity from the inside out via the co-opting of America's Evangelical churches, media, "entertainment," public schools, courts/legal system, and government (i.e. The Deep State).

It is best to use the next three years of these Trump administration immigration, DOGE, and pro-Israel distractions to dig yourself in deep into an off-grid, self-sufficient compound far away from people and society. One of the best things we can do for our fellow man, besides physically fight, is to refuse to participate in this rigged system of Antichrist Globohomo. Refuse to take vaccines, refuse (((their))) porn, refuse women who denigrate men and think we're equal, refuse to be obedient to the JQ and Israel, refuse to be dependent on (((their))) electricity, refuse to be reliant on the US President (no matter who he is), refuse to be reliant on money and normie methods of food production/distribution, refuse AI and the internet. Be part of the solution by not further contributing to the problem of atheistic, co-dependent consumerism.

Get. Out. Now.

If you build it they will come. We must seperate from this failing society and lead by example. "Be the change you wish to see."
 
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