The China Thread

Their political system is a meritocracy, there are no equivalents of mediocre parasites like Nancy Pelosi, Lyndsay Graham, Biden, McConnell, Buttigig, Macron, Starmer, Sunak, Truss, Merz, Scholz, Baerbock etc in the Chinese politburo, the majority of which have STEM backgrounds, as opposed to lawyers.
What planet are you living on? The Chinese parliament has over 100 billionaires. Do you honestly think these people didn't get that money through grift and theft? At least the US has a few good senators like Rand Paul and Lindsey Graham. China has no such people. All of the top Chinese CCP party members are spinless bootlickers who agree with whatever the deranged Xi Jinping says. Deng Xiaoping was a very capable leader. Xi Jinping is garbage.
 
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People vote with their feet and money, and actions speak louder than words. The Chang middle class is quite literally forking over the equivalent of 3-5 annual salaries to, at great danger to themselves, get trafficked over the US Southern border by cartels to live as illegals in the US. Same goes for the anchor babying and student visa --> residence permit schemes in places like Greece, the UK, Australia, Canada and the US. Meanwhile the only people permanently entering China are rural Viet, Burmese and Laotian women that get lured/kidnapped and trafficed into China to get then sold off to desperate Chinese bachelors at, again, the cost of many annual salaries.

The commie propaganda is sounding increasingly hollow, which in turn explains Lil Coop's and the gang's turn to damage control the impossible by discrediting and potshotting tactics.
I dont know too too much about whats happening inside China, I lack the knowledge to comment but I do know that they have a huge shortage of females there due to abortions and they favor male babies over females so thats where the problem comes from.
 
  • The freedom to enjoy a great meal with quality ingredients for a small fraction of the cost back home, and more generally, the freedom of not being subject to the ((usury)) tax of fractional reserve banking inflation
You mean food cooked in gutter oil? (and yes the video is 11 years old but its still happening today).


(an article about how cooking oil was transported in dirty fuel tankers without the tank being cleaned).

People trying to sell cat meat and claiming its pork, etc.

Chinese food quality is garbage. And I am not talking only about news stories. My parents went to China last year for holidays and they said food quality was bad.
 
If I were Chinese-American, married to a Chinese woman or even just Asian, I would definitely consider moving to China, where there is more freedom in the real sense of the word, as opposed to the negative freedoms that are pushed in the West (feminism, LGBT, "do what thou wilt" material individualism straight out of Crowleyan satanism etc).

I would be more free in China to go anywhere without fear for my life or for the safety of my loved ones, and also more free to express my political opinions, whereas in most western countries there are no-go zones and careers would be ruined if you for instance dare examine certain historical facts. And going forward under Trump, message boards like this one might be criminalized.

There are more real freedoms in China, economic freedom and lower taxes and costs. Some Europeans and heritage N. Americans have moved to China for these reasons, like this Canadian vlogger:


Why not as a white American though? So you think you could criticise the Chinese government and be ok? What about openly practicing Christianity or promoting bitcoin (which has been banned) I heard you also cant access foreign social media and internet?

What about owning a gun? Social credit scores, surveilance etc? The little Iv seen on China they seem to love in tiny apartments VS American style larger free standing homes with garden, what about home schooling?
 
You're losing it Lil Coop!

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Talking about globalists, I still haven't heard a proper description on why Klaus Schwab considers China model for the world, can the resident wumao please elaborate?

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I dont think Klaus comment was a positive one here though, I think he likes the control Chinas government had over its populations like during the lockdowns for example.
 
You mean food cooked in gutter oil? (and yes the video is 11 years old but its still happening today).


(an article about how cooking oil was transported in dirty fuel tankers without the tank being cleaned).

People trying to sell cat meat and claiming its pork, etc.

Chinese food quality is garbage. And I am not talking only about news stories. My parents went to China last year for holidays and they said food quality was bad.



Addressed earlier in this thread:

Part of the original problem is that street food in China is dirt cheap, you can have a full meal for the equivalent of $1 or $2.

Apparently they have solved this problem by recycling this gutter oil as aviation biofuel, that is in high demand in the West and east Asia because of environmental regulations:



I'm sure you've heard about China's infamous 'gutter oil' - waste cooking oil recovered from sewers that used to cause major food safety scandals. Well, it has unexpectedly become one of China's most sought-after exports and, incredibly, it's now more expensive than brand new palm oil and soybean oil!The reason? Aviation biofuel. As it turns out, used cooking oil can be transformed into Sustainable Aviation Fuel (SAF), which reduces carbon emissions by up to 85% compared to traditional jet fuel. This has made it incredibly valuable: the domestic price for gutter oil has soared to over 8,000 yuan (>$1,100) per ton!
China now exports around 1.82 million tons of used cooking oil annually, leading global exports. The U.S. alone uses more than 282,000 barrels per day and imported over 1.36 million tons from China last year.
The international demand is so intense that domestic industry players in China are now pushing for export restrictions, as their own domestic demand for SAF already far exceeds the country's production capacity. It's quite the transformation: from public health hazard to strategic resource. In fact funnily a problem that China now faces is that some producers are now accused of "contaminating" gutter oil with cheaper palm oil to improve margins, when just a few years ago suspected "contaminations" were the exact opposite way around
All in all, it's a perfect case study in sustainable problem-solving: rather than endlessly playing whack-a-mole with illegal gutter oil vendors, finding a more profitable legitimate use has naturally solved the health risk while creating environmental benefits. The lesson is simple: when the legal use becomes more profitable than the illegal one, enforcement becomes unnecessary.
 
What planet are you living on? The Chinese parliament has over 100 billionaires. Do you honestly think these people didn't get that money through grift and theft? At least the US has a few good senators like Rand Paul and Lindsey Graham. China has no such people. All of the top Chinese CCP party members are spinless bootlickers who agree with whatever the deranged Xi Jinping says. Deng Xiaoping was a very capable leader. Xi Jinping is garbage.

Lindsay Graham is a good senator?!?!? This is the craziest thing I have ever read on this forum, and that includes dozens upon dozens of posts by LaNegra...

On a scale of 1 to 10, how successful has Xi's government been in providing for his people and country?

Now do the US Congress, or your Parliament for that matter, or the Canadian, British, French or German ones...

The Chinese parliament has over 100 billionaires

This is the type of anti-China propaganda that never gets addressed.

There are several thousand members in the Chinese legislature, and the majority of these billionaires are part of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC). Most of these billionaires are captains of Chinese industry, like the founders/CEO of Huawei, Xiaomi etc.

The National People's Congress (NPC), which serves as the country's legislature and will be responsible for voting on scrapping presidential term limits in about two weeks, contains 45 billionaires.

And there are a whopping 59 billionaires in the party's top advisory body, the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference. The CPPCC includes entrepreneurs, academics, and even celebrities, who advise the government and legislative arms.

While this only accounts for 2% of the roughly 5,000-oded mmbers, their total net worth amounts to $624 billion. That's more than double Ireland's GDP, and more than three times that of New Zealand's.

The billionaires includes the founder of one of China's biggest online retailers JD.com, the CEO of smartphone maker Xiaomi, and the CEO of search giant Baidu. Also included in the National People's Congress is the country's richest man, Pony' Ma, the CEO of Tencent, who is worth $47 billion.

 
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Lindsay Graham is a good senator?!?!? This is the craziest thing I have ever read on this forum, and that includes dozens upon dozens of posts by LaNegra...
I don't know why I wrote Lindsay Graham. I meant to write Thomas Massie but I got distracted and the wrong name popped into my head and so I wrote the wrong thing lol. My bad. Lindsay Graham is a one of the worst parasites imaginable.
 
The CNN article above mentions the Chinese powdered milk formula contamination with melamine, the Chinese executives and officials who were found most responsible for that food scandal were executed.

These people have their equivalents in the West in big pharma and contaminated consumer products, but when scandals similar or worse than the Chinese milk formula are uncovered, they skate. Merck's deadly Vioxx drug caused the death of 55,000 Americans, and Merck knew it. No consequences for the culprits, if this was a Chinese company, heads would have rolled, if it was a Japanese one, several executive would have committed ritual suicide, but these Merck scumbags skated, barely a slap on the wrist, xero personal accountability.


Audio version: https://www.unz.com/CONTENTS/AUDIO/runz/Unz-AmPravda-AmericanVioxx.mp3?_=1

"...First, consider the details of the Chinese infant formula scandal of 2008. Unscrupulous businessmen had discovered they could save money by greatly diluting their milk products, then adding a plastic chemical compound called melamine to raise the apparent protein content back to normal levels. Nearly 300,000 babies throughout China had suffered urinary problems, with many hundreds requiring lengthy hospitalization for kidney stones. Six died. A wave of popular outrage swept past the controlled media roadblocks and initial government excuses, and soon put enormous pressure on Chinese officials to take forceful action against the wrongdoers.

China’s leaders may not be democratically elected, but they pay close attention to strong popular sentiment. Once pressed, they quickly launched a national police investigation which led to a series of arrests and uncovered evidence that this widespread system of food adulteration had been protected by bribe-taking government officials. Long prison sentences were freely handed out and a couple of the guiltiest culprits were eventually tried and executed for their role, measures that gradually assuaged popular anger. Indeed, the former head of the Chinese FDA had been executed for corruption in late 2007 under similar circumstances.

Throughout these events, American media coverage was extensive, with numerous front-page stories in our leading newspapers. Journalists discovered that similar methods of dangerous chemical adulteration had been used to produce Chinese pet food for export, and many family dogs in America had suffered or died as a result. With heavy coverage on talk radio and cable news shows, phrases such as “Chinese baby formula” or “Chinese pet food” became angry slurs, and there was talk of banning whole categories of imports from a country whose product safety standards were obviously so far below those found in Western societies. The legitimate concerns of ordinary Americans were fanned by local media coverage that sometimes bordered on the hysterical.

However, the American media reaction had been quite different during an earlier health scandal much closer to home.

In September 2004, Merck, one of America’s largest pharmaceutical companies, suddenly announced that it was voluntarily recalling Vioxx, its popular anti-pain medication widely used to treat arthritis-related ailments. This abrupt recall came just days after Merck discovered that a top medical journal was about to publish a massive study by an FDA investigator indicating that the drug in question greatly increased the risk of fatal heart attacks and strokes and had probably been responsible for at least 55,000 American deaths during the five years it had been on the market.

Within weeks of the recall, journalists discovered that Merck had found strong evidence of the potentially fatal side-effects of this drug even before its initial 1999 introduction, but had ignored these worrisome indicators and avoided additional testing, while suppressing the concerns of its own scientists. Boosted by a television advertising budget averaging a hundred million dollars per year, Vioxx soon became one of Merck’s most lucrative products, generating over $2 billion in yearly revenue. Merck had also secretly ghostwritten dozens of the published research studies emphasizing the beneficial aspects of the drug and encouraging doctors to widely prescribe it, thus transforming science into marketing support. Twenty-five million Americans were eventually prescribed Vioxx as an aspirin-substitute thought to produce fewer complications.

The circumstances of this case were exceptionally egregious, with many tens of thousands of American deaths due to the sale of a highly lucrative but sometimes fatal drug, whose harmful effects had long been known to its manufacturer. But there is no sign that criminal charges were ever considered.

...against these important factors we must consider the raw numbers involved. American journalists seemed to focus more attention on a half-dozen fatalities in China than they did on the premature deaths of as many as 500,000 of their fellow American citizens.

The inescapable conclusion is that in today’s world and in the opinion of our own media, American lives are quite cheap, unlike those in China.

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Bottom line: if Merck was a Chinese company, the executives and scientists whose product knowingly killed tens of thousands of people would have been lined up and shot.

Also the food scandals in China have long had their equivalents by multinationals like Nestlé or J&J:

 
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Guys like the Canadian expat Gweilo 60 above living in China have fleed the West...
Good. Flee away. Run. Hide. Abandon your people and country in a time of need. But this isn't for everyone. Some of choose to stay and fight (in our own direct and indirect ways).

I don't see why it has to be "China good," "USA bad"? China is obviously an interesting enough place with some positive things going on and I can see the attraction from a white western male perspective... seems "exotic," great history, lots to see and do, anti-homo, more traditional feminine women, affordable living, great infrastructure, beautiful countryside, etc. There's only one problem, I'm not Chinese, and no matter how hard I tried to assimilate and "fit in" I would never be Chinese. I would always be an outsider who cannot own large tracts of land in the countryside and that does not sound welcoming, much less comforting. I'm an American white man who does not hate himself and his country. I will therefore stay and fight JQ globohomo in country and build a life amongst my people on my land. I have no desire to tuck tail and run.

They're right wingers who have been fed up with the lack of real freedoms in the West today
This is complete bullshit. "Lack of real freedoms in the West." Give me a break. You lose all credibility when you spew such nonsense by saying that white American men would have more freedom(s) in China (and/or Russia) than they do in America. Pure commie group think.
 
This doesn't really belong here, but I am going to put it anyway.



Add "freedom from being bullied by a powertripping lez S&M DEI cop" to the list of freedoms enjoyed by Chinamen.


Chang police wouldn't dare squaring up with a grown man, they can barely handle a small group of amputees and incapacitated wheelchair users outnumbering them 2 to 1.

Bytheway nobody likes roided up powertripping psychos holding a grudge because turned down from the Military. That's why it's so important to encourage transparency, court accessibility and a culture of accountability. Kinda the opposite of China, where the State is all powerful (and ((commie))), oppressive an its jackboots above the law.

Nice try though Comrade!

 
The CNN article above mentions the Chinese powdered milk formula contamination with melamine, the Chinese executives and officials who were found most responsible for that food scandal were executed.

These people have their equivalents in the West in big pharma and contaminated consumer products, but when scandals similar or worse than the Chinese milk formula are uncovered, they skate. Merck's deadly Vioxx drug caused the death of 55,000 Americans, and Merck knew it. No consequences for the culprits, if this was a Chinese company, heads would have rolled, if it was a Japanese one, several executive would have committed ritual suicide, but these Merck scumbags skated, barely a slap on the wrist, xero personal accountability.


Audio version: https://www.unz.com/CONTENTS/AUDIO/runz/Unz-AmPravda-AmericanVioxx.mp3?_=1

"...First, consider the details of the Chinese infant formula scandal of 2008. Unscrupulous businessmen had discovered they could save money by greatly diluting their milk products, then adding a plastic chemical compound called melamine to raise the apparent protein content back to normal levels. Nearly 300,000 babies throughout China had suffered urinary problems, with many hundreds requiring lengthy hospitalization for kidney stones. Six died. A wave of popular outrage swept past the controlled media roadblocks and initial government excuses, and soon put enormous pressure on Chinese officials to take forceful action against the wrongdoers.

China’s leaders may not be democratically elected, but they pay close attention to strong popular sentiment. Once pressed, they quickly launched a national police investigation which led to a series of arrests and uncovered evidence that this widespread system of food adulteration had been protected by bribe-taking government officials. Long prison sentences were freely handed out and a couple of the guiltiest culprits were eventually tried and executed for their role, measures that gradually assuaged popular anger. Indeed, the former head of the Chinese FDA had been executed for corruption in late 2007 under similar circumstances.

Throughout these events, American media coverage was extensive, with numerous front-page stories in our leading newspapers. Journalists discovered that similar methods of dangerous chemical adulteration had been used to produce Chinese pet food for export, and many family dogs in America had suffered or died as a result. With heavy coverage on talk radio and cable news shows, phrases such as “Chinese baby formula” or “Chinese pet food” became angry slurs, and there was talk of banning whole categories of imports from a country whose product safety standards were obviously so far below those found in Western societies. The legitimate concerns of ordinary Americans were fanned by local media coverage that sometimes bordered on the hysterical.

However, the American media reaction had been quite different during an earlier health scandal much closer to home.

In September 2004, Merck, one of America’s largest pharmaceutical companies, suddenly announced that it was voluntarily recalling Vioxx, its popular anti-pain medication widely used to treat arthritis-related ailments. This abrupt recall came just days after Merck discovered that a top medical journal was about to publish a massive study by an FDA investigator indicating that the drug in question greatly increased the risk of fatal heart attacks and strokes and had probably been responsible for at least 55,000 American deaths during the five years it had been on the market.

Within weeks of the recall, journalists discovered that Merck had found strong evidence of the potentially fatal side-effects of this drug even before its initial 1999 introduction, but had ignored these worrisome indicators and avoided additional testing, while suppressing the concerns of its own scientists. Boosted by a television advertising budget averaging a hundred million dollars per year, Vioxx soon became one of Merck’s most lucrative products, generating over $2 billion in yearly revenue. Merck had also secretly ghostwritten dozens of the published research studies emphasizing the beneficial aspects of the drug and encouraging doctors to widely prescribe it, thus transforming science into marketing support. Twenty-five million Americans were eventually prescribed Vioxx as an aspirin-substitute thought to produce fewer complications.

The circumstances of this case were exceptionally egregious, with many tens of thousands of American deaths due to the sale of a highly lucrative but sometimes fatal drug, whose harmful effects had long been known to its manufacturer. But there is no sign that criminal charges were ever considered.

...against these important factors we must consider the raw numbers involved. American journalists seemed to focus more attention on a half-dozen fatalities in China than they did on the premature deaths of as many as 500,000 of their fellow American citizens.

The inescapable conclusion is that in today’s world and in the opinion of our own media, American lives are quite cheap, unlike those in China.

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Bottom line: if Merck was a Chinese company, the executives and scientists whose product knowingly killed tens of thousands of people would have been lined up and shot.

Also the food scandals in China have long had their equivalents by multinationals like Nestlé or J&J:


Chang greed, dishonesty and inhumane world view+ business practices poison 300 000 Chinese babies leading to the deaths of hundreds (real numbers per usual downgraded) followed up by a kangaroo court prosecution of lower level nobodies as part of the tried and tested fall men trick and the conclusion is..

.. DA WEST BAD.

Bottom line: if Merck was a Chinese company, the executives and scientists whose product knowingly killed tens of thousands of people would have been lined up and shot.

Changs have since long been intentionally flooding the US, Canada and even Philippines with cheap and chemically enhanced fentanyl as part of their generational hybrid warfare. And whilst the fellow travellers pride themselves on a set of second tier managers getting thrown at the enraged Chinese public as a pacifier following the formula milk scandal (tip of the iceberg), for some reason none of the Chinese culprits of 10 000s US fentanyl related deaths each year has yet to be arrested or prosecuted.

So no, Chinese drug pushers have a free hand in killing the vulnerable both in China and abroad. Any process on the international drug pushing would have to include the entire Politburo for what it's worth. God bless DJT for putting an end to that.
 
Chang police wouldn't dare squaring up with a grown man, they can barely handle a small group of amputees and incapacitated wheelchair users outnumbering them 2 to 1.

Bytheway nobody likes roided up powertripping psychos holding a grudge because turned down from the Military. That's why it's so important to encourage transparency, court accessibility and a culture of accountability. Kinda the opposite of China, where the State is all powerful (and ((commie))), oppressive an its jackboots above the law.

Nice try though Comrade!




I guess this is how it's done, they're supposed to blow their heads off first and ask questions later. "Chang" police are mostly unarmed though, because Chongqing is not Chicago.






"Transparency, court accessibility and a culture of accountability" - about as plausible a concept when it comes to law enforcement as the Easter bunny.
 
Chang greed, dishonesty and inhumane world view+ business practices poison 300 000 Chinese babies leading to the deaths of hundreds (real numbers per usual downgraded) followed up by a kangaroo court prosecution of lower level nobodies as part of the tried and tested fall men trick and the conclusion is..

.. DA WEST BAD.

"Prosecution of lower level nobodies"... including the head of the Chinese FDA. Merck knowingly kill 500,000 Americans and barely gets a slap on the wrist.

I will stay polite and just call your assessment to be highly disingenuous.

China today is a high trust society, that's the flipside of their surveillance state, but also of the general state of social and economic welfare that has been prevailing there.




 
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Changs have since long been intentionally flooding the US, Canada and even Philippines with cheap and chemically enhanced fentanyl as part of their generational hybrid warfare. And whilst the fellow travellers pride themselves on a set of second tier managers getting thrown at the enraged Chinese public as a pacifier following the formula milk scandal (tip of the iceberg), for some reason none of the Chinese culprits of 10 000s US fentanyl related deaths each year has yet to be arrested or prosecuted.

So no, Chinese drug pushers have a free hand in killing the vulnerable both in China and abroad. Any process on the international drug pushing would have to include the entire Politburo for what it's worth. God bless DJT for putting an end to that.

"Changs" didn't invent LSD, crack cocaine, or run heroin plantations in the Golden Triangle during the Vietnam War or in Afghanistan under US occupation, and they didn't actively promote drug use in the US through social engineering programs like the massive de-Christianization and brainwashing of the Boomer generation in the 1960s.

"Changs" didn't massively profit from cocaine import in the US, funding Walmart, Tyson Foods and the Bill Clinton campaign from the traffic through Mena Arkansas in the 80s, and "Changs" didn't push crack cocaine on urban Blacks in the 90s, or spend decades fostering a drug culture through cultural degeneracy and the gutting of the middle class.








Don’t blame Beijing for the fentanyl crisis.
The root cause is the demand in the US. Even if China halts all exports of all precursors, some other country will take the spot.
The big secret is that US elites want a certain percentage of population to be drugged out.
Another embarrassing question is about how much money the US deep state makes from drug trafficking.
 
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"Prosecution of lower level nobodies"... including the head of the Chinese FDA. Merck knowingly kill 500,000 Americans and barely gets a slap on the wrist.

I will stay polite and just call your assessment to be highly disingenuous.

China today is a high trust society, that's the flipside of their surveillance state, but also of the general state of social and economic welfare that has been prevailing there.





You can also leave your parcels outside in Japan while simultaneously not having to live in a police state. No reason to live in China.
 
By the way that Gary Webb guy that is the difference between western culture and Chinese culture. Where are the Chinese equivalents of Gary Webb or Julian Assange?

Assange became a US dissident upon revealing a lot of dirt on war crimes in Iraq and Clinton/Obama machinations in Libya. China hasn't been in a foreign imperial war in our lifetimes, the closest they came was their month-long border skirmish with Vietnam in 1979.


Does China even have a deep state? Their government and CCP rules the country completely, the state is the deep state. They don't finance their government through international illicit drug trade, they have a trillion dollar annual trade surplus through all the products they manufacture. They don't tolerate drug pushers at home, and they've culled or at the very least contained the coastal Triads, whereas over here the deep state is the world's biggest pusher.

What would a Chinese Gary Webb be denouncing? Fake Xinjiang concentration camps?
 
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