The Destruction of Modern Women

[FrancisK]

I would love to see a list of the top 5 most important things in your life. I'd bet that women are not even in the top 3.

Finding a suitable wife and mother of my children is definitely high on my list, right after current family. But just the word "women"....no that isn't on my list at all. That's easy, but the pursuit of that is temporary happiness followed by incredible misery.

Not sure why I touched such a large nerve with anything I said to the point where you ignored all my points, I was only trying to help a fellow brother. Carry on, you don't have to listen to anything I have to say....God Bless I hope you find happiness.

 

[PurpleUrkel]

I would love to see a list of the top 5 most important things in your life. I'd bet that women are not even in the top 3.

Correct...

1. Improving and maintaining my health (cooking, growing my own food, reading books on physical/mental health).
2. Growing and improving my business.
3. Moving to a beautiful remote wilderness setting and building a small log cabin complete with off-grid infrastructure.
4. Becoming a better musician, writer, photographer, and filmmaker (very time consuming).
5. Deepening my relationships with God, friends, and family.

If you are single at 50+ (like myself) one must accept that in terms of women it is most likely game over. Prepare yourself for the worst, pray for the best. This is just reality based psycho-emotional survival mode training.

Not dwelling on women is a constant battle, it takes effort and discipline. The reason that I personally have moved on from seeking women is because I had my shot at three good ones and I blew it. I don't expect God to grant me a fourth. I made my bed, now I must lie in it. That being said, I am more motivated than ever to improve myself. Part of this self improvement is relearning the joy of process over product and how to not be dependent on outcomes for my happiness. I work to work (money is a byproduct), I talk to women because they are in front of me (not because I want to "get somewhere" with them), I chop wood for exercise and because it takes my mind off of "things" (fuel for the wood stove is a nice outcome but I have other sources of heat).

A philosopher once said that suffering is imagining your ideal future and working tirelessly to achieve it, then when you finally arrive at that future and it is not what you imagined... that is suffering. So if you want to cease to suffer, cease being dependent on outcomes. Learning to be content alone is much more fulfilling than looking across the table at an unhappy woman with tears streaming down her face. With the current state of atheistic global hypergamy, it is almost impossible for modern women to be happy and I'm not going to let them take me down with them. If that means spending the rest of my life alone, then so be it.

 

[Maddox]

Finding a suitable wife and mother of my children is definitely high on my list, right after current family. But just the word "women"....no that isn't on my list at all. That's easy, but the pursuit of that is temporary happiness followed by incredible misery.

Not sure why I touched such a large nerve with anything I said to the point where you ignored all my points, I was only trying to help a fellow brother. Carry on, you don't have to listen to anything I have to say....God Bless I hope you find happiness.

I know you're trying to help. You haven't touched a nerve at all. But I do think we are different people with different preferences.

 

[Maddox]

If you are single at 50+ (like myself) one must accept that in terms of women it is most likely game over. Prepare yourself for the worst, pray for the best. This is just reality based psycho-emotional survival mode training.

If I stay here in the US, that may be true. But the reality is, that is not true in every country. I could get on a plane to the PI tomorrow and just by being white and having some money, suddenly be a catch to most of the women in my new surroundings. That blows my mind. Health and work logistics currently prevent me from actually getting on that plane. But the fact is, a new location could completely change my love life, even at 50-something years old.

 

[tikkasakko]

I'm not sure if the breast reduction movement has been covered here. Personally, I think it's horrible. Some women are going from a D or DD cup to a B cup. I'm sure they're getting support from their "friends" with smaller sized pecs. As the husband this would frustrate me. Especially given that most of this back pain can just be alleviated with the right exercise regimen.

There are a plethora of good examples on IG. I couldn't find much on YouTube, but this still shows which procedure I mean.

Breast reduction/Lift.
Makes sense now.

 

[SkiPro]

Correct...

1. Improving and maintaining my health (cooking, growing my own food, reading books on physical/mental health).
2. Growing and improving my business.
3. Moving to a beautiful remote wilderness setting and building a small log cabin complete with off-grid infrastructure.
4. Becoming a better musician, writer, photographer, and filmmaker (very time consuming).
5. Deepening my relationships with God, friends, and family.

If you are single at 50+ (like myself) one must accept that in terms of women it is most likely game over. Prepare yourself for the worst, pray for the best. This is just reality based psycho-emotional survival mode training.

Not dwelling on women is a constant battle, it takes effort and discipline. The reason that I personally have moved on from seeking women is because I had my shot at three good ones and I blew it. I don't expect God to grant me a fourth. I made my bed, now I must lie in it. That being said, I am more motivated than ever to improve myself. Part of this self improvement is relearning the joy of process over product and how to not be dependent on outcomes for my happiness. I work to work (money is a byproduct), I talk to women because they are in front of me (not because I want to "get somewhere" with them), I chop wood for exercise and because it takes my mind off of "things" (fuel for the wood stove is a nice outcome but I have other sources of heat).

A philosopher once said that suffering is imagining your ideal future and working tirelessly to achieve it, then when you finally arrive at that future and it is not what you imagined... that is suffering. So if you want to cease to suffer, cease being dependent on outcomes. Learning to be content alone is much more fulfilling than looking across the table at an unhappy woman with tears streaming down her face. With the current state of atheistic global hypergamy, it is almost impossible for modern women to be happy and I'm not going to let them take me down with them. If that means spending the rest of my life alone, then so be it.

I like what you've written here and some of it reflects my own situation and where I'm going with my life.

Better just to concentrate on being the best man you can be and the cards fall where they fall.

 

[tikkasakko]

Where do you think any of this exists still?

Aren't you in Canada?

I have found that a lot of modern people don't age like they used to. I think it's a have or have not kind of thing like others have said, like so many of the things in society now. A retirement blogger today said something about how 50 yo people now that retire are getting a lot of attention for being more youthful in appearance than all the working people. I will say that apart from some aging characteristics that are impossible to get by, like hairline (mostly that if you are in good physical shape and exercise), guys that I know and myself who work less and can sleep in, take naps, do all that stuff, easily look 10 years younger than most of the current work hard crop or those from the 1970s. It's amazing to me sometimes what hte photos look like in the 1970s and 80s of similarly aged people. It makes the "food is poison these days!" idea seem sorta stupid, to be honest. I think the reality is that discipline is poison for most people, and there are must MORE people - as I've said, absolute numbers of lower quality people and dysgenics are high, and stand out. Remember, humans aren't good when it comes to bias. That hurts guys who are successful, since they are largely crowded out as well in the modern day of "game."

Sleeping in, and taking naps?

 

[Douglas Quaid]

I could be wrong, but having a physical job seems to really help people age well too. It also helps a lot mentally, knowing you don't have to look at a stupid computer all day.

The key is balancing a physical job with the right amount of stress. And eating well, sleeping well, not drinking or smoking. Unfortunately most laborers take horrible care of their bodies.

 

[FrancisK]

I could be wrong, but having a physical job seems to really help people age well too. It also helps a lot mentally, knowing you don't have to look at a stupid computer all day.

The key is balancing a physical job with the right amount of stress. And eating well, sleeping well, not drinking or smoking. Unfortunately most laborers take horrible care of their bodies.

My businesses are a mix of both, I'll take being in the warehouse over sitting at my desk every time. When I'm forced to do administrative crap in front of the computer it sucks my soul away while the manual labor feels good because it's straight forward, the task is in front of you there is a beginning and a final end. Further to your point my friends who own construction companies look really young compared to how old they actually are, but they do indeed take care of themselves they're not the old guard where it's smoke, drink, eat junk and watch sportsball every moment off work possible....or even at work.

 

[Blade Runner]

A philosopher once said that suffering is imagining your ideal future and working tirelessly to achieve it, then when you finally arrive at that future and it is not what you imagined... that is suffering. So if you want to cease to suffer, cease being dependent on outcomes. Learning to be content alone is much more fulfilling than looking across the table at an unhappy woman with tears streaming down her face. With the current state of atheistic global hypergamy, it is almost impossible for modern women to be happy and I'm not going to let them take me down with them. If that means spending the rest of my life alone, then so be it.

Good advice. Suffering is an interesting thing to consider, as it means different things to different people, and most of the time it is self inflicted, as you indicate. But that's because it's not objective suffering, it's mismatched expectation, which is your point with the outcome dependence - or possibly, the idea that you "deserve" something. When I consider things, I'm more surprised at times at how many things don't easily lead to certain outcomes, when one can see they easily can if just allowed. That's why it is more just disappointment with things and people, in that they are usually the stumbling block for the particular outcome. But that's just life.

Sleeping in, and taking naps?

One finds with experience that "working hard" is a trope and that working smart, not necessarily harder, is the key. Anyone that already accomplished anything has "worked hard". It goes without saying.

 

[tikkasakko]

Good advice. Suffering is an interesting thing to consider, as it means different things to different people, and most of the time it is self inflicted, as you indicate. But that's because it's not objective suffering, it's mismatched expectation, which is your point with the outcome dependence - or possibly, the idea that you "deserve" something. When I consider things, I'm more surprised at times at how many things don't easily lead to certain outcomes, when one can see they easily can if just allowed. That's why it is more just disappointment with things and people, in that they are usually the stumbling block for the particular outcome. But that's just life.

One finds with experience that "working hard" is a trope and that working smart, not necessarily harder, is the key. Anyone that already accomplished anything has "worked hard". It goes without saying.

I was just poking fun. I would love to sleep in. But I'm a no nap man.

 

[Blade Runner]

I was just poking fun. I would love to sleep in. But I'm a no nap man.

Slightly off topic, but have you noticed that people in the last 30 years look WAY younger than the 60s-80s teens, 20s, 30s? Why do you think that's the case. I'm not sure it involves women as much, to be certain, but it probably does to an extent.

 

[FrancisK]

Slightly off topic, but have you noticed that people in the last 30 years look WAY younger than the 60s-80s teens, 20s, 30s? Why do you think that's the case. I'm not sure it involves women as much, to be certain, but it probably does to an extent.

It's just a different style of appearance and you automatically associate things in your brain with being "old" whether it's from their actual age, style of dress and grooming or just being older types of media. It's all perception, that's without the fact that looking like a slob is the norm now so it makes everyone look like a little kid. Slacks and a polo with loafers were casual attire where now it's pajama pants and a tshirt or hoodie 3 sizes too big with a pair of flip flops. Athletic apparel, or hell even just flat out sleep wear, some consider formal attire now because it has a name brand on it, so it's like to you that they are presenting themselves as little kids so you see them as little kids.

I'm kinda guilty of it myself, I have been told I look much younger than my age because I take care of myself but my daily work attire pretty much doubles as gym clothes. Putting on just jeans is like going out clothes now, I don't even put on a suit anymore or even slacks and a button down unless it's a special occasion which sucks because I have an extensive selection of perfectly tailored suits, I've always loved suits. Then looking back at my dad, uncles or even my older cousins the only time you would see them in gym clothes was late at night before bed.

But now kids are on a different level, I remember high school 20 years ago I dressed to kill every day nicer than I dress daily now. I know high school kids now that the same holiday cartoon theme flannel pants and random hoodie are all I've ever seen them in. At least my work/gym clothes are nice and fit well.

 

[tikkasakko]

Slightly off topic, but have you noticed that people in the last 30 years look WAY younger than the 60s-80s teens, 20s, 30s? Why do you think that's the case. I'm not sure it involves women as much, to be certain, but it probably does to an extent.

Yes, for sure. But like Francisk mentions, it does have a lot to do with style. My dad for instance had a handle bar mustache from the time he could grow one, till he died. But they also had harder lives. A lot grew up poor (malnourished), and worked hard jobs, that took a toll on their bodies.
They were hard, and they looked hard.

 

[Wutang]

A big change is also zoomers tend to be less inclined towards hard living (cigarette smoking, drinking, hard drug abuse) compared to the the boomers and Gen Z. I feel like millennials was the last generation were these a heavy boozing culture. There's also a bigger emphasis on looks maxing with the males whereas with older generation it would have been perceived as gay or effeminate to be overly concerned with looking pretty.

 

[SkiPro]

It's just a different style of appearance and you automatically associate things in your brain with being "old" whether it's from their actual age, style of dress and grooming or just being older types of media. It's all perception, that's without the fact that looking like a slob is the norm now so it makes everyone look like a little kid. Slacks and a polo with loafers were casual attire where now it's pajama pants and a tshirt or hoodie 3 sizes too big with a pair of flip flops. Athletic apparel, or hell even just flat out sleep wear, some consider formal attire now because it has a name brand on it, so it's like to you that they are presenting themselves as little kids so you see them as little kids.

I'm kinda guilty of it myself, I have been told I look much younger than my age because I take care of myself but my daily work attire pretty much doubles as gym clothes. Putting on just jeans is like going out clothes now, I don't even put on a suit anymore or even slacks and a button down unless it's a special occasion which sucks because I have an extensive selection of perfectly tailored suits, I've always loved suits. Then looking back at my dad, uncles or even my older cousins the only time you would see them in gym clothes was late at night before bed.

But now kids are on a different level, I remember high school 20 years ago I dressed to kill every day nicer than I dress daily now. I know high school kids now that the same holiday cartoon theme flannel pants and random hoodie are all I've ever seen them in. At least my work/gym clothes are nice and fit well.

This isn't directed at you but given how sloppy everyone dresses these days, it's important to dress well and show yourself as the quality man that you are. It's so easy to stand out and position yourself as top 5% just by having a decent wardrobe and dressing in a timeless style.

 

[FrancisK]

This isn't directed at you but given how sloppy everyone dresses these days, it's important to dress well and show yourself as the quality man that you are. It's so easy to stand out and position yourself as top 5% just by having a decent wardrobe and dressing in a timeless style.

I agree with that 100% and it does bother me that day to day I'm in gym clothes, don't get me wrong they are nice gym clothes but still gym clothes. It is something I think about, I have so much nice clothing it's embarrassing I have a closet full of perfectly tailored Hugo boss clothes and Armani suits but I rarely wear any of it. At one point a couple years ago I said to myself screw this I'm going to start dressing nicer to my business and it didn't last long, mind you I'm running from place to place and inside warehouses all day. For a little while I was a partner in a business that required very formal attire everyday and I thought I would enjoy it, yea that got old really fast!

That being said, when it's time to go out, or a family gathering, an event or something professional I am dressed to absolutely kill and very meticulous about it. It's just day to day at work I've lost that, I dressed nicer to high school every day considerably nicer you wouldn't have caught me dead in gym clothes in high school unless it was gym class.

 

[SeekingGod]

Because of my previous family experiences I stated in the thread, and the state of many western woman I wonder if my desire for a monk like existence is a strong response to these realities. If I lived in a location or even visited a few weeks where the females were relatively attractive, nice, non-combative, and looking for a Christian stable man to start a family, would my mind change? There is only one way to find out. After going back and reading this thread, it seems many of the complaints can be replaced with attempts to leave a certain location or find the means to do so. Like American pioneer ancestors left their home towns to search for gold. I will do this as I can do so. I’m going to try Colombia or Mexico. We will see what will come out of it.

 

[Blade Runner]

It's all perception, that's without the fact that looking like a slob is the norm now so it makes everyone look like a little kid.

You're talking about a slightly different topic that is a minor point. You can look at many of the men from high school all the way to age 40 something and they literally look 20 years older than many people the same age these days. Pictures are pictures, and they are objective. Guys bald in the 70s looking 40+ at age 25, Wilford Brimley, etc. we've literally shown the examples. I don't know where you get some of this stuff sometimes.

By the way, I'm not saying any of this really matters. I also think there are far more people now, so those in really bad shape look bad and are closer to obese, and the ones in good shape are phenomenally better looking, especially men, who are objective better looking. That doesn't mean they are more "manly" though, which is a comment on the society and hypergamy in general. As for women, one might be able to easily write it off to many changes, but particularly in makeup. You're not really ever going to defeat father time as a woman unless makeup advances surge, and they have (the window will always be 16-24, and you can't fool men's eyes or the b test).

 

[Unending Powerhouse Match]

You're talking about a slightly different topic that is a minor point. You can look at many of the men from high school all the way to age 40 something and they literally look 20 years older than many people the same age these days. Pictures are pictures, and they are objective. Guys bald in the 70s looking 40+ at age 25, Wilford Brimley, etc. we've literally shown the examples. I don't know where you get some of this stuff sometimes.

By the way, I'm not saying any of this really matters. I also think there are far more people now, so those in really bad shape look bad and are closer to obese, and the ones in good shape are phenomenally better looking, especially men, who are objective better looking. That doesn't mean they are more "manly" though, which is a comment on the society and hypergamy in general. As for women, one might be able to easily write it off to many changes, but particularly in makeup. You're not really ever going to defeat father time as a woman unless makeup advances surge, and they have (the window will always be 16-24, and you can't fool men's eyes or the b test).

As I stated before, I think it's mainly because people hydrate properly now. Moreover, I am convinced that the fact that people do not recieve anywhere near as much sunlight as before plays a big role. The sun's radiation definitely has a damaging effect on cells and DNA. There's this man, Brandon Miles May, who is 35 and looks maybe 16-19. He has weird proportions and looks frail and sickly, but he definitely looks young.



According to this article, he says that his secret is a healthy diet, not drinking alcohol, and staying out of the sun like a vampire. No doubt he's got the genetics for it too, but I do believe the sunlight thing has a big impact. There's no way the sun's radiation doesn't accelerate deterioration on cells and DNA.