Christian Masculinity

The quote I put in the first post (Matt 16:24) sums up Christian masculinity for me.

The secular manosphere adopts some of what makes us truly men, the self denial and even willingly shouldering a burden, but it is always toward some self centred and worldly aim such as getting a chiselled physique or grinding long hours toward a successful business or career.

It is the "and follow me" part that sets Christian men apart. And we have to ask where it is that we are following Him to. It can be tempting to believe that he is taking us to our "tradwife" or to some out of this world spiritual experiences where we can stop and put down our cross, but we all know where Christ is going with His cross. True masculinity is knowing that and following Him anyway.
 
Been thinking a lot about masculinity in general and Christian masculinity in particular recently. Of course there are many similarities but the two are not 1 to 1 equivalents. Comparing the two and highlighting the negatives, what masculine Christianity is not, has really helped to clarify and simplify things.

First example: Secular/red pill "Alpha Chads" get as many top tier women as possible, whereas a 'good' Christian man ideally wouldn't mess around while single and then will be faithful to his wife.

In terms of loyalty or allegiance, a Christian man can of course support and defend his nation, but his true debt of loyalty is to Jesus Christ and His kingdom.

When it comes to earthly possessions, there is nothing wrong with having nice things and a comfortable life, as long as those things don't draw a Christian man away from God, whereas the secular view seems to just be "more is better".

Curious to hear other guys inputs and thoughts on this.
 
Northern Pilgrim said:
Been thinking a lot about masculinity in general and Christian masculinity in particular recently. Of course there are many similarities but the two are not 1 to 1 equivalents. Comparing the two and highlighting the negatives, what masculine Christianity is not, has really helped to clarify and simplify things.

First example: Secular/red pill "Alpha Chads" get as many top tier women as possible, whereas a 'good' Christian man ideally wouldn't mess around while single and then will be faithful to his wife.

In terms of loyalty or allegiance, a Christian man can of course support and defend his nation, but his true debt of loyalty is to Jesus Christ and His kingdom.

When it comes to earthly possessions, there is nothing wrong with having nice things and a comfortable life, as long as those things don't draw a Christian man away from God, whereas the secular view seems to just be "more is better".

Curious to hear other guys inputs and thoughts on this.
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Secular masculinity is a bit of a misnomer. You cannot be a fully realised man if you reject God.

A lot of the teachings about masculinity can be beneficial and practical, but if the ends are "living muh best life and getting all the chicks" then you are a child.

What distinguishes a fully realized man is his capacity to suffer and to sacrifice for others. To work hard and to spend most of that money on feeding and clothing children rather than on passions and trinkets to attract women. To sacrifice the lusts of the flesh for the love of one woman rather than as many as you can get. To sacrifce your own will to submit to Christ.

If you are unwilling to emulate the sacrifice and obedience of Christ, then you're not a man, you're larping as one. You might as well be a homosexual, frankly.

Secular masculinity is like the kid who wants to eat the ice cream but not the vegetables. Theres nothing manly or even adult about it.
 
Lawrence87 said:
Secular masculinity is a bit of a misnomer. You cannot be a fully realised man if you reject God.

A lot of the teachings about masculinity can be beneficial and practical, but if the ends are "living muh best life and getting all the chicks" then you are a child.
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This is a good point. I would add that a lot of the so called "red pill" community eventually ends up in some form of Christianity but at what cost and how much damage done along the way? Is there a way to help young men who are genuinely seeking truth bypass this step?


GodfatherPartTwo said:
Either be a one-woman man or a no-woman man. If you're trying to get as many women as possible, you're already on the path of being a homosexual.
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Amen. May we all who have been blessed with a wife pray for faithfulness, and if we have stumbled in the past, God's strength to get back up and keep to the narrow way.


JR5 said:
You'd likely enjoy this Substack on the topic: https://manlysaints.substack.com/
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Thanks for sending that. I checked out a couple of articles, very inspiring! We need more reminders of those who have gone before and served God in their generation.
 
I've been reading more of Ernst Junger. Junger was a fascinating and highly contradictory character; an atheist early in his life who was wounded many times in World War 1, a famous author, he later came to have deeply Christian religious feelings and converted on his deathbed to Catholicism. He wrote, “What can one advise a man, especially a simple man, to do in order to extricate himself from the conformity that is constantly being produced by technology? Only prayer. Here even the lowest human being has a vantage point that makes him part of the whole and not just a cog in the machinery…In situations that can cause the cleverest of us to fail and the bravest of us to look for avenues of escape, we occasionally see someone who quietly recognizes the right thing to do and does good. You can be sure that is a man who prays.”

There's a write-up on him here: https://neofeudalreview.substack.com/p/ernst-junger-the-man-with-no-hands
 
Bird said:
There are 3 parts of AMEN



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Been working through these, good stuff! Lots of things to examine and work through.

Here's another thought: Is it possible to be a man alone?
Even when Christ Jesus went off to be alone from His disciples, He had fellowship with the Father and Holy Spirit. He was never completely isolated and devoid of companionship. Maybe that's part of the reason so many are taking the "black pill", they feel/are completely alone and isolated.
 
Northern Pilgrim said:
Been thinking a lot about masculinity in general and Christian masculinity in particular recently. Of course there are many similarities but the two are not 1 to 1 equivalents. Comparing the two and highlighting the negatives, what masculine Christianity is not, has really helped to clarify and simplify things.

First example: Secular/red pill "Alpha Chads" get as many top tier women as possible, whereas a 'good' Christian man ideally wouldn't mess around while single and then will be faithful to his wife.

In terms of loyalty or allegiance, a Christian man can of course support and defend his nation, but his true debt of loyalty is to Jesus Christ and His kingdom.

When it comes to earthly possessions, there is nothing wrong with having nice things and a comfortable life, as long as those things don't draw a Christian man away from God, whereas the secular view seems to just be "more is better".

Curious to hear other guys inputs and thoughts on this.
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I've been thinking about this too for the past several months. As Christians, we must pick up the cross and follow Jesus. However, as laypeople who still live in the world, we cannot practice full self-denial like a monk or priest. At the same time, we cannot fully embrace a secular, materialistic, and hedonistic lifestyle. There must be a middle way to this.

I believe it is possible to turn any supposedly bad endeavor into a good one, and a good endeavor into a bad one. For example, greed and the accumulation of wealth are generally considered bad, but if we use that wealth as alms, it serves a good cause. Conversely, if we give alms to others but flaunt it, then it becomes a negative action.

Personally, although I am a Christian, I have no intention of being a saint. Therefore, I have decided to fully practice the teachings of the red pill and the manosphere, while ensuring they do not contradict Christian teachings.

For example, I genuinely want to accumulate wealth, but I promise that if I do so in the future, I will use it to support the church and give alms. I also want to have nice cars, but I will use them to help transport people who have no vehicles. When I see a beautiful woman, instead of imagining things, I will tell myself that I must be able to attract her. Then, I will take appropriate steps to increase my SMV (sexual market value) and promise that if I am able to get her in the future, I will prove myself to be a superior choice compared to other men.

I'm still a long way from being a successful man, let alone an overachiever, but I'm taking steps toward success and pray that God will bless my goals.
 
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